[Discussion] Does Naruto contradict himself?
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Flaming Amaterasu
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Well, when it comes down to it, yes, but naruto and Sasuke were evenly matched also when he first arrived on the battlefield, as this scan suggests because he was able to use his sharingan to sync to naruto's chakra output easily.
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From what I understand, Kishi is telling us atm that current naruto and sasuke are dead even in every form, and can handle each other with each power boost they give each other or get. Kurama gathering all avaialble nature energy to enable naruto to match and survive against Sasuke after he used the bijuu's chakra for Indra's arrow is sheer proof of this.
No.
I'm saying that Naruto said that he didn't want to fight him while he is in this state of mind (I don't think he was talking about Sasuke using the bijuus but more probably about Sasuke's behaviour).
Naruto wants to fight the Sasuke that he is trying to "save".
When Naruto will have "saved" Sasuke , there he will be happy to fight Sasuke in a 1 vs 1.
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It's the process of learning. He realized he had to confront the kyubi one day, which wasn't easy at all seeing that many villages and jinchurikis have failed to completely tame the beasts.
Did youu really read my thread? I'm not talking about borrowed powers, I know that both of them have them and I don't judge them because of that but from that point Naruto can't tell Sasuke that I will defeat you on my own when another entity can talk to him, advise him and help him. In any case, I already got the answers that I wanted so no need to post anymore (not just you, anyone.)
No, you're just an idiot who can't understand the difference between beating no matter what and beating under circumstances. When Naruto says " I want to defeat you on my own" it's perfectly fine to use all the powers he has as part of his arsenal but on the other hand you can't use the word "alone" when you clearly need Kurama's cooperation to use BM, Sasuke doesn't need to come to terms with anyone to use his borrowed powers, Naruto has to keep Kurama happy if he wants latter's cooperation. Thus he can't achieve his full power on his own, "alone"!
Read before you post ignorant posts.
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aznflyer14
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A same argument can be made on Sasuke's "borrowed" powers in his dojutsu when he had Itachi's eyes implanted in him. So, Naruto and Sasuke are one and the same when it comes to their powers and abilities. I still think Naruto has not yet to unleash his full powers and abilities like his ancestor, Asura. Naruto is clearly still holding him back and Naruto somehow always would prevail regardless his low level of chakra (and Sasuke's thief on Kurama chakra).Now in many occasions Naruto had said that he wanted to fight sasuke on 1 vs 1. I don't think that we need proof of that.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but using Kurama's cloak isn't a synomym of asking for help from a third party? The Bijuu?
I know very well that this fight was never meant to be 1 vs 1, since Sasuke decided to steal Bijuu's chakra to strengthen himself but at the end of the day their fight till that moment was supposed to be 1 vs 1.
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Also, I don't want you to confuse things, I'm not talking about borrowed powers but about help that has to do with 3rd individuals. Yes, Sasuke, would have never had EMS or rinnegan if it wasn't for Itachi and Hagoromo, yes his Susanoo would have never reached its current level but at least those are powers that are under his commands, they have no brain to think for themselves, they can offer no advices, they do what their user asks them to do without any objection
Kurama on the contrary is a quite cunning fellow who, apart from providing useful advice, is also capable of gathering huge amounts of chakra and even protect his jin when Naruto is off guard like how it happened with Kurama protecting Naruto from Amaterasu.
In Naruto latest mode we can see that he has a mastery over sage mode as well as his black balls. However, he still needs Kurama's cooperation to pull off Bijuu mode. I don't say that Naruto doesn't waste any chakra to use it but the truth is that most of this chakra belongs Kurama. Ashura at least could manifest his cloak on his own, or at least we've never learned that he was a jin.
I don't say that Naruto's current sage mode isn't OP, he was capable of cornering madara just for fun, but his decision to use Bijuu mode against Sasuke doesn't immediately mean that his desire to defeat " Sasuke alone" doesn't hold any basis?
I mean, can you say "I want to defeat you but yo with the chakra of others"? Many naruto fans even say that in the latest chapter Sasuke stole Naruto's chakra while we know that this chakra originates from Kurama, not from Naruto. I mean it's obvious that in the last chapter naruto did not have any chakra left either, much like Sasuke.
So my question is this: Doesn't Naruto contradict himself when he says that he wants to defeat Sasuke on his own but yet he immiediately seeks cooperation to achieve that?
As I said, I'm not compering the fact that they both use borrowed powers but rather Naruto using the help of other entities, individuals, who can think, advice and even act for themselves working basically as comrades.
I'm not against team play but seriously when you clearly talk abour a rivalry, how much impact can your words have when the match is between an individual and his borrowed powers (Sasuke) and an individual whose borrowed powes are more or less complete entities.
Can this still be considered a 1 vs 1 figth?
Please no biased opinions, I search for some serious answers
Remember, Asura did not finally reach his full powers and abilities until he finally gained cooperation from the others. Well, look at Naruto now... he has almost everyone's cooperation (except for Sasuke).