[Discussion] Does madara have ems/ms?

[Rambo200]

<div class="bbWrapper">We still don't know Madara's true powers(except his time-space travel tech) and so its hardly impossible to say whether he has it or lost it</div>

 

[kanesannin]

Marada had EMS.

Im not convinced that Tobi is Madara.

The fact that Tobi has controlled the 9 tails does not mean he has EMS. Tobi himself says during the sasuke/ danzo fight that danzo has the ability to control the 9 tails because he had sharingan + senju DNA.

We all know that Tobi has uchiha and senju DNA so thats what he used to control the fox.

I hope kishi is hiding something AMAZING under Tobi's mask. There has to be a reason he still wont show us Tobi's face....

I'm pretty sure that having the uchiha and senju powers means you have control over izanagi, not the 9 tails,lol.
Though their probably are many other surprises madara has up his sleeve.

 

[BarBoBot]

I'm pretty sure that having the uchiha and senju powers means you have control over izanagi, not the 9 tails,lol.
Though their probably are many other surprises madara has up his sleeve.

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well why dont you follow the link. PROOF that what I said is true.

Or read it here...

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[kanesannin]

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well why dont you follow the link. PROOF that what I said is true.

Well he does say power of 'hashirama'......not senju.Though i did'nt remember that link, but hashirama had many powers( sealing jutsus)etc, that's how he had control over all 9 tailed beasts. But still, the question is whether madara has ems or not?
Btw, even if i were to accept your contention, whatever technique it was must have been if anything more powerful than izanagi , yet madara still had both eyes when he fought konan and if he had used that uchiha-hashirama technique its hard to imagine he would'nt lose an eye(or more).
Izanagi controls your personal reality so i think that page refers to it, if the personal reality includes the 9 tails you would obviously control that too so madara's statement was kishi spicing things up.

 

[SKTupac]

Normaly you go from 3 tom Sharingan > MS
When you have the EMS, You go from 3 tom Sharingan > EMS

The EMS is the same as MS without side effects and maybe more powers.

He can't use the normal MS anymore, cause when u have 3 tom Sharingan, u can't use 2 tom Sharingan anymore, it's the same thing.

Personaly i think he hides his brothers eyes and uses (used till now) someone else his eyes.

 

[BarBoBot]

people keep saying he has EMS because he controlled the Kyuubi....I was proving that he could control the kyuubi WITHOUT having MS at all.

 

[kanesannin]

people keep saying he has EMS because he controlled the Kyuubi....I was proving that he could control the kyuubi WITHOUT having MS at all.

You are wrong because madara would have had one less eye if he had used that technique

 

[kanesannin]

Normaly you go from 3 tom Sharingan > MS
When you have the EMS, You go from 3 tom Sharingan > EMS

The EMS is the same as MS without side effects and maybe more powers.

He can't use the normal MS anymore, cause when u have 3 tom Sharingan, u can't use 2 tom Sharingan anymore, it's the same thing.

Personaly i think he hides his brothers eyes and uses (used till now) someone else his eyes.

That's actually a unique opinion....but he had the 3 tomoes when he attacked the leaf with the 9 tails BEFORE the uchiha massacre, so whose eyes would he use instead?

 

[grumpel]

I think Madara has EMS... we dont know why he is a shell of his former self, maybe he has chakra sealed away and is that way limited and weaker.
I guess sharingan uses some chakra and ms/ems uses more chakra. if tobi=madara has way less chakra to work with, it wouldnt be reasonable to have ems active all the time, but sharingan.

 

[BarBoBot]

You are wrong because madara would have had one less eye if he had used that technique

what are you talking about? I said Tobi can control the kyuubi because he has both Uchiha and hashirama's DNA....I provided proof that you only need those 2 things to control the nine tails...where does it say you lose an eye from controling the 9 tails?

Are you talking about Izanagi? Izanagi blurrs the lines between genjutsu and reality, allowing the user to regenerate after being dealt lethal damage at the cost of losing the sight in 1 eye forever.... dont make me link the chapters for that too....

 

[kanesannin]

what are you talking about? I said Tobi can control the kyuubi because he has both Uchiha and hashirama's DNA....I provided proof that you only need those 2 things to control the nine tails...where does it say you lose an eye from controling the 9 tails?

Are you talking about Izanagi? Izanagi blurrs the lines between genjutsu and reality, allowing the user to regenerate after being dealt lethal damage at the cost of losing the sight in 1 eye forever.... dont make me link the chapters for that too....

Ok, let me break it all down:
Since when has ANY power on the scale of strength that would be sufficient to control the 9 tails ever come without a price tag? MS makes the user go blind eventually, izanagi makes you lose an eye, the death reaper(dead demon seal) your life....the list goes on.
'control' yes it says but for how long and with what consequences?Are you saying there are none? Try to understand that what with naruto being the main character and his power being basically the 9 tails, kishi likes to sensationalize with pages like the one you pointed out.Fact is, there is ALWAYS a catch(ems being the only exception) to having powers on that scale.

 

[TheOrangeSage]

Don't both eyes have ems? I mean both were transplanted into him

 

[BarBoBot]

You go ahead and speculate with no proof all you want.

I have proof to back up what I say. If you want to speculate, that's fine, but what you say is just a theory until proven. What I said is fact.:flaw: :flaw: :flaw:

 

[platinum69]

(Beneath the 7th Tatami mat in that Uchiha room Sasuke found out that you do need MS to control the kyuubi) "Sorry to go off topic"

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If "Madara" still had EMS wouldn't/ couldn't he just bring out his Susanoo to protect him... instead of sealing his eye away... Im sure EMS would allow Madara a wide range of abilities...

does EMS make you immortal? if so why seal away your eye in the fight with Konan...

he has Eternal Mankegyo Sharingan, it doesnt however constantly stay active , he can revert back to sharingan tomo 3 and the eternal mangekyo sharingan merely means that his mangekyo sharingan doesnt have limits now to its ability to weaken the user so to answer you question yes he does.

untill it shows up on the manga I would think he does not have it...

but to think about it logically it would really put a massive amount of strain on a person to have EMS on all the time... I would think it would go EMS to tomoes 3... because what point would MS be once you have EMS?

also leads me to think why does "Madara" want Sasuke to get EMS? so he could steal them...

If "Madara" is the real Madara Uchiha and he does not have EMS then the 1st must of sealed them away...

If "Madara" is a fake then he does not have EMS... untill Manga proves other wise...



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[BarBoBot]

Platinum there isn't any proof yet, but there re theories that MS is different for different people.

Example of this is why is kakashi's ms different than itachi/ sasuke.

Some of those same theories say that sasuke hasn't awakened his own ms yet, he is using itachis ms that itachi passed to him during their fight. That's why they have the same ms.

If those theories were true, Madara might not even have a susanoo.

I actually believe he didn't use susanoo because Tobi isn't Madara but there isn't enough proof yet.

 

[kanesannin]

You go ahead and speculate with no proof all you want.

I have proof to back up what I say. If you want to speculate, that's fine, but what you say is just a theory until proven. What I said is fact.

(sigh)....read my 1st post, the opening in this thread that's proof that ms/ems can control the kyuubi.
As for your 'fact', i find it curious that no one in the ENTIRE narutoverse apart from madara has ever used said power to control the kyuubi.
You want facts? Fine. This is what izanagi REALLY is:

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It DOES NOT allow you to simply regenerate after one attack, that's what wimps like danzo who had no idea of its true power thought. It lets you MAKE your own reality.....INCLUDING the ability to tame the 9 tails....that's pretty damn obvious if the original jutsu let the SO6P CREATE the tailed beasts then controlling the kyuubi would be easy.....HOWEVER, at the cost of an eye.Guess what? Madara had both of his.

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

Itachi said Madaras EMS was still there so I choose to believe Itachi at that point.

 

[BarBoBot]

Where in your link does it say that izanagi is able to control tailed beasts or for that matter where the does it say izanagi can control anything?

Are you just claiming that since the so6p use izanagi to create the tailed beads that izanagi can just magically do anything?

Also, what are you saying about no one in the narutovsrse using uchiha + hashiramas DNA?

I posted proof that the ability to control the tailed beasts with just those 2 things is real! Are you saying the manga is wrong?

 

[BarBoBot]

Oh and FYI the izanagi that Tobi uses isn't on the same level as the one used by the sage.

If it was Tobi could have created his own tailed beasts by now.

You should probably just start reading again from chapter 1. You missed alot.

 

[kanesannin]

Where in your link does it say that izanagi is able to control tailed beasts or for that matter where the f*ck does it say izanagi can control anything?

Are you just claiming that since the so6p use izanagi to create the tailed beads that izanagi can just magically do anything?

Also, what are you saying about no one in the narutovsrse using uchiha + hashiramas DNA?

I posted proof that the ability to control the tailed beasts with just those 2 things is real! Are you saying the manga is wrong?

If you would learn to read you'd know what i'm saying....YOUR link gave that info. Madara was talking about izanagi when he said he could control the 9 tails with that jutsu......:flaw:
read the next 2 pages and you might understand your own link:flaw: