Does killing intent matter ??

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Ok. What about the fact that his RS when he uses only Kurama chakra and chakra of other bijuu looks different ?
90% of the time Naruto uses the other Bijuu's chakras to add a unique element to his FRS, such as Steam, Ink, Lava, or Magnet release.

But he doesn't have to. Chakra is chakra, and he can choose to put those Bijuu's chakras into any attack he wants just to make it stronger and bigger, the same as with Kurama's chakra.
 
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he still went all out in the end, thats all that matters. his jutsus wouldnt suddenly be stronger if he was the aggressor the moment sasuke powered up. and after that IA and Frs clash there wasnt any situation where naruto could have killed sasuke but didnt, none at all. he got countered and vice versa. the ones saying naruto held back entirely are just deceiving themselves
 
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In a comparison, it matters...

How it matters,
1- Naruto could have used 2 TSB Rasenshurikens and he aimed it for the Arrow like he always had been... trying to cancel out Sasuke's Chidori with his Rasengan.

2- I doubt that Sasuke would have been able to absorb Naruto's TSB-based jutsu.

3- Naruto didn't used TSBs, the scan you provided shows Naruto countering Susanoo arrows with TSBs.
1- Naruto couldn't because he didn't have chakra left (look at him after using 2 rasen shuriken tbb ; he couldn't add 2 TSB at that moment)
2- It's not true to tell a sentence that can't be proven .... And even you yourself doubt .
3- Yes ... And he countered it successfully .... But wait ; where are his TSB after that ? Why did they disappear ? Because Sasuke's rikudo chakra can damage TSB ... Otherwise , Naruto could use TSBs to capture Sasuke at very beginning ....
 

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Except when the person holding back has to go all out because anything less than 100% will get them killed while being equally futile.

Taka vs. Bee
Naruto vs. Sasuke every fight
Obito vs. Naruto, Gai, and Kakashi
Hashirama vs. Madara

The fact is, Naruto knew what Sasuke could handle, and knew that even going all out, Sasuke wouldn't likely be killed, the same way Sasuke going all out wouldn't likely kill Naruto. He and Sasuke also knew and expressed multiple times that anything less than 100% would get Naruto killed.

And he was right. In the end they were equal (for the most part).
Sure he used his powers but to counter. He never targeted Sasuke with an attack like IA, it was Sasuke who launched the attack and Naruto countered. Sasuke on the other hand tried to attack Naruto directly everytime.

Naruto was trying to stop Sasuke , yes , but can you tell me an ability/jutsu that Naruto could use and kill Sasuke but he didn't ?
Read my comment to Necro first and yes he could've used this but didn't.
Something that messed up even Kaguya...
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There are others too if you read the Kaguya battle.
 

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he still went all out in the end, thats all that matters. his jutsus wouldnt suddenly be stronger if he was the aggressor the moment sasuke powered up. and after that IA and Frs clash there wasnt any situation where naruto could have killed sasuke but didnt, none at all. he got countered and vice versa. the ones saying naruto held back entirely are just deceiving themselves
But he didn't use frog kumite. he didn't want to kill Sasuke. Screw the fact that he pulled out his strongest move, the fact he didn't use weaker move x,y and z proves that he was holding back. /s

Don't know why they're mentioning shit like bijuu rasenshuriken when Naruto already used his strongest technique. You can say he didn't go all out in the beginning and neither did Sasuke because he got 100% serious when he got the bijuus to finish off Naruto.
 
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Sure he used his powers but to counter. He never targeted Sasuke with an attack like IA, it was Sasuke who launched the attack and Naruto countered. Sasuke on the other hand tried to attack Naruto directly everytime.
That means nothing.

The time in which he trows his jutsus does not change how strong they are. If he could have overpowered Sasuke's abilities by 1% in order to gain the edge, he would have and he should have.

If Naruto was as capable as you and the rest of the Naruto fandom believe, then he could have pushed it 1% further, kept Sasuke in his exhausted condition and knocked him out without either of them losing a limb.

But we both know that instead of winning without major loss of ability and constitution, Naruto stalemated every time, which caused them both to be in CRITICAL condition, and on the verge of death, with mortal and extreme wounds.

So either you think Naruto's dumb enough to put both of them at a 99% mortality rate for no reason, or you think that Naruto wasn't strong enough to handle Sasuke without taking equal damage and nearly dying in the process. So which is it?

But he didn't use frog kumite. he didn't want to kill Sasuke. Screw the fact that he pulled out his strongest move, the fact he didn't use weaker move x,y and z proves that he was holding back. /s

Don't know why they're mentioning shit like bijuu rasenshuriken when Naruto already used his strongest technique. You can say he didn't go all out in the beginning and neither did Sasuke because he got 100% serious when he got the bijuus to finish off Naruto.
Sasuke didn't pull out his Sharingan Triple Windmill attack. GG. Sasuke held back. :sdo:
 

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Read my comment to Necro first and yes he could've used this but didn't.
Something that messed up even Kaguya...
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There are others too if you read the Kaguya battle.
Why didn't Naruto use deadly jutsu he used against Kaguya ?
Answer : Because
1- He was low on chakra (Proof : he was out of chakra when he used 2 rasenshuriken tbb)
2- Any stronger jutsu would be absorbed by Sasuke .
 

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But he didn't use frog kumite. he didn't want to kill Sasuke. Screw the fact that he pulled out his strongest move, the fact he didn't use weaker move x,y and z proves that he was holding back. /s

Don't know why they're mentioning shit like bijuu rasenshuriken when Naruto already used his strongest technique. You can say he didn't go all out in the beginning and neither did Sasuke because he got 100% serious when he got the bijuus to finish off Naruto.
Sasuke didn't use Kirin / Izanagi / Izanami ... So , by your logic , was Sasuke holding back ?
Not to mention Frog Kumite is nothing compared to Izanagi/Izanami/Kirin .
 

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That means nothing.

The time in which he trows his jutsus does not change how strong they are. If he could have overpowered Sasuke's abilities by 1% in order to gain the edge, he would have and he should have.

If Naruto was as capable as you and the rest of the Naruto fandom believe, then he could have pushed it 1% further, kept Sasuke in his exhausted condition and knocked him out without either of them losing a limb.

But we both know that instead of winning without major loss of ability and constitution, Naruto stalemated every time, which caused them both to be in CRITICAL condition, and on the verge of death, with mortal and extreme wounds.

So either you think Naruto's dumb enough to put both of them at a 99% mortality rate for no reason, or you think that Naruto wasn't strong enough to handle Sasuke without taking equal damage and nearly dying in the process. So which is it?

Sasuke didn't pull out his Sharingan Triple Windmill attack. GG. Sasuke held back. :sdo:
Indeed, Naruto was going for stalemate every time trying to talk Sasuke out of his crazy plans for the world. That's what I said, he was simply countering and not attacking.

Why didn't Naruto use deadly jutsu he used against Kaguya ?
Answer : Because
1- He was low on chakra (Proof : he was out of chakra when he used 2 rasenshuriken tbb)
2- Any stronger jutsu would be absorbed by Sasuke .
Kaguya had the ability to absorb jutsu as well but she couldn't an attack from every direction. What makes you think Sasuke would succeed when he couldn't even absorb one bijuu dama from Momoshiki.
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But he didn't use frog kumite. he didn't want to kill Sasuke. Screw the fact that he pulled out his strongest move, the fact he didn't use weaker move x,y and z proves that he was holding back. /s

Don't know why they're mentioning shit like bijuu rasenshuriken when Naruto already used his strongest technique. You can say he didn't go all out in the beginning and neither did Sasuke because he got 100% serious when he got the bijuus to finish off Naruto.
right. both fanbase just need to accept the fight for what it was.

Sasuke didn't use Kirin / Izanagi / Izanami ... So , by your logic , was Sasuke holding back ?
Not to mention Frog Kumite is nothing compared to Izanagi/Izanami/Kirin .
he was being sarcastic there. trying to show the foolish logic of the naruto lobby
 

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While this is somewhat true, you can't say Hashirama didn't have killing intent that entire fight. He launched 1000 Senjutsu-infused, mountain sized tree fists at the man for god's sake.

"Killing Intent" and "Going All Out" are not directly correlated, or a symptom of cause and effect.



He didn't have any bijuu chakra left. This is a manga fact. U_U
I agree when fighting a strong opponent you have to fight to kill. But actually taking the opportunity and putting lethal combos into action are a whole other story.
 

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Kaguya had the ability to absorb jutsu as well but she couldn't an attack from every direction. What makes you think Sasuke would succeed when he couldn't even absorb one bijuu dama from Momoshiki.
So , you're countering the second part ... What about the first part (Naruto didn't have enough chakra proof that he was out of chakra when he used 2 rasen shuriken tbb) ?
 

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Oh right ! Sorry Lenneth .... Talking with trolls has killed 70% of my brain cells .
It's cool. I can't believe people are still arguing over this :lol. Portrayal and logic makes it 100% clear neither were holding back anything once Bijuu Susanoo and Ashura Avatar went out. Before that is debatable but in the end they went all out and used their full potential.
 

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So , you're countering the second part ... What about the first part (Naruto didn't have enough chakra proof that he was out of chakra when he used 2 rasen shuriken tbb) ?
Exactly he was exhausted, but even if he weren't he wouldn't have used it on Sasuke because.....
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Naruto fought with so many handicaps and still prevailed.
 

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No ; when he uses bijus' Kekkei genkai , it's color changes (Lava rasenshuriken for example) .... When he uses biju's chakra it's color doesn't change .
No. He uses their chakra to add to his RS/Rasengan. Each time when he used their traits or KKG he used their chakra not only KKG.
 

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Exactly he was exhausted, but even if he weren't he wouldn't have used it on Sasuke because.....
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Naruto fought with so many handicaps and still prevailed.
So does that mean you finally accepted that " killing intent " doesn't matter ?? (because of being tired , being low on chakra or any other thing)
 

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So does that mean you finally accepted that " killing intent " doesn't matter ?? (because of being tired , being low on chakra or any other thing)
Lol, no he did counter the 8.5 bijuu powered IA when he needed to didn't he even in his condition and I said he was exhausted, I didn't say he couldn't have used the same attack if he wanted to. He most definitely could've have if could counter Sasuke's IA.
 
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