Does beating someone with a suicide tech count as a victory?

[Eternal Sage]

So, in a top 10 list, I'd put someone above another person if they could defeat them. But does dying just do defeat someone count as a win?

I'm bringing this up because of the top 10 lists with gai in them, even though saying minato/hiruzen > (place example here) because of RDS is another way to put it.

If someone is really stronger than another, they should be able to win without dying

 

[Ōkami]

I wouldn't call that a victory, I'd call it a draw.

 

[The Necromancer]

I wouldn't call that a victory, I'd call it a draw.

This. If it was a win Minato would be #1 on every list.

Suicide techs are a draw.

 

[Mellow]

depends one how many people they can take out with them. If its just one kill for your own life then its pointless. Especially if you fail.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It's a victory if you're trying to make sure that person dies at all cost.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I wouldn't call that a victory, I'd call it a draw.

If you die after killing an opponent, that's a draw

 

[Angelofchaos179]

Yeah to be honest all i noticed was sages signature is that anime from stay/zero or stay/fate something like that?

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

I wouldn't call that a victory, I'd call it a draw.

This. If it was a win Minato would be #1 on every list.

Suicide techs are a draw.

this unless the suicide technique can/does take down multiple opponents. (not counting the third using RDS + KB since they were merely puppets rooted with oro's power.

 

[Fair Warning]

This. If it was a win Minato would be #1 on every list.

Suicide techs are a draw.

Wrong.

Whatever technique I use, if it kills you in the process, I won the fight. I killed you.

If Sasuke used his last chidory to kill Naruto, but then ran out of chakra and died, would you call that a draw? No. Sasuke won. His technique caused the death of the opponent.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Yeah to be honest all i noticed was sages signature is that anime from stay/zero or stay/fate something like that?

Yeah, you should watch them

 

[Demonic.]

This is about 8th gate guy isn't it. I personally don't think he belongs in the top 10. It's a suicide technique. Best he can hope for is a draw.

 

[Styles]

Suicide = draw because they both die.

 

[Milliana]

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What do you think guys? OT: I think, it's a draw if you both die at the same time.

 

[Eternal Sage]

An Awesome Senju,
Araag,
cafe123,
demon of the leaf,
Dreemax,
Gitch,
God of TryHards,
LaserCircus,
Lordraikage,
Necromancer4276,
Omegga Shenron,
PerfectSchizoid,
racecar,
RoyalWingal,
Sapiens Sequax *** Semita,
SusanooKyuubi,
suzano,
The Hero NB Needs,
TheDreamShark,
Uzamaki Da Rula
What do you think guys? OT: I think, it's a draw if you both die at the same time.

.....Lolwat

 

[ANiMUS]

Its an empty win. Hollow victory, but a victory all the same.

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

Wrong.

Whatever technique I use, if it kills you in the or cess, I won the fight. I killed you.

If Sasuke used his last chicory to kill Naruto, but then ran out of chakra and died, would you call that a draw? No. Sasuke won. His technique caused the death of the opponent.

matter of prospective really.

for example say they are battling but not to the death if one uses a move that knocks the other out but causes themselves to pass out at the same time is it a win? no its a draw you could argue otherwise but its a pyrrhic victory at best. tho imo because your opponent was as strong/stronger then you were without forcing your body beyond its limits/killing yourself its a draw/loss

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Spoiler

An Awesome Senju,
Araag,
cafe123,
demon of the leaf,
Dreemax,
Gitch,
God of TryHards,
LaserCircus,
Lordraikage,
Necromancer4276,
Omegga Shenron,
PerfectSchizoid,
racecar,
RoyalWingal,
Sapiens Sequax *** Semita,
SusanooKyuubi,
suzano,
The Hero NB Needs,
TheDreamShark,
Uzamaki Da Rula

What do you think guys? OT: I think, it's a draw if you both die at the same time.

:| Why you calling ppl out?

Ot: Honestly depends on the situation

a strange example, if somehow Taka happen to be with Sasuke when he faced Deidara, and Deidara used his 10-km work of art and manage to kill off all of Taka in a single move, would that count as a victory for Deidara? He did manage to kill off the Taka at the cost of his own life, technically it would be Pyrrhic victory in my eyes.

 

[Derek1st]

No. No it does not. Because 8 gates can't count. Or it will be op

 

[MaGilla]

In gai's defense he could curb stomp over half the alliance with the eight gate open (possibly all the alliance except naruto). In gai's case i count it as a win, he'll kill them and wait till he dies when the chakra burns up.

 

[Milliana]

:| Why you calling ppl out?

Ot: Honestly depends on the situation

a strange example, if somehow Taka happen to be with Sasuke when he faced Deidara, and Deidara used his 10-km work of art and manage to kill off all of Taka in a single move, would that count as a victory for Deidara? He did manage to kill off the Taka at the cost of his own life, technically it would be Pyrrhic victory in my eyes.

Lol, forgot I commented on this thread. *_____________*