blazekev90
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I think lack of character development. The fact Itachi still has to save the day as a damn Zombie is ridiculous. I know he's BA, but can someone else shine? Sasuke still looks weaker than him
Does anyone else need to VENT!!!!
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OopsWrongHole
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1. The reason I believe Madara will not disppear is because Muu summoned him.
Yes Kabuto summoned him before to scare Tobi but it was Muu who summoned him at the battlefield, so Muu is the last person to summon Madara.
Muu will disappear but Madara will be able to do what he likes now.
I do not know if the Edo Tensei technique gives the Edo summons limitless chakra.
Or if Madara will become weaker due to his summoner aka Muu being unsummoned due to Kabuto releasing the Edo Tensei Jutsu.
However if Madara were to be unsummoned also because it may still count as Kabuto summoned Muu so it may work that way, then if that the case I believe Madara will use the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu to bring himself back to life.
I believe Madara can do this now and not before is because his in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara is dead but Madara has the ability to perform techniques, Where if you die, you're dead, you don't have the ability to perform a technique because your soul has left your body and you can not perform it if you are dying because you are still alive.
But where Madara is in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara can perform Jutsu's, Like the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu.
Nagato could of done the same if Nagato had control of himself because he too has that ability but of course Kishi wasn't going to let that happen.
Either way Madara is NOT disappearing in my strongest opinion because of the two reasons I've explain which is..
Muu summoned him
or
Madara uses the Rebirth Jutsu on himself
I said Nagato could perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because Nagato too was in Edo Tensei mode but was unable to perform the Rebirth Jutsu because the whole time Kabuto had control of Nagato plus Kishi wouldn't bring him back to life.
The reason why Nagato was unable to perform it on himself when Nagato was alive during the Pein Arc is because Nagato was still alive, so he couldn't bring himself alive even though he was dying due to the chakra exhaustion, he couldn't perform it when he was dead, his soul was no longer in his body.
The reason why I said Madara can do it is because his been released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu and yes Madara dead but his soul is in a body, so Madara can perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu on the dead body because Madara is able to perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because his in Edo Tensei Mode.
For example to explain it better, I have a GUN that can bring someone back to life by shooting them once with it.
Nagato did this with the Hidden Leaf Village right? he brought them back to life by shooting them all. (get what I'm trying to say?)
Nagato couldn't shoot himself with the gun because Nagato is still alive but once Nagato dies, Nagato soul is gone so Nagato's body is lifeless and can not pull the trigger due to that.
Madara has been brought back With Edo Tensei Jutsu, Now Madara is released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu.
He has the Rinnegan aka the Gun I'm referring to, So before Madara disappears Madara can shoot himself with the gun because Madara has control over his body because Madara is in edo mode, a walking zombie...
Does that make any sense? Yes I've repeated some stuff as some people didn't take in what I was saying.[/COLOR][/B]
Yes Kabuto summoned him before to scare Tobi but it was Muu who summoned him at the battlefield, so Muu is the last person to summon Madara.
Muu will disappear but Madara will be able to do what he likes now.
I do not know if the Edo Tensei technique gives the Edo summons limitless chakra.
Or if Madara will become weaker due to his summoner aka Muu being unsummoned due to Kabuto releasing the Edo Tensei Jutsu.
However if Madara were to be unsummoned also because it may still count as Kabuto summoned Muu so it may work that way, then if that the case I believe Madara will use the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu to bring himself back to life.
I believe Madara can do this now and not before is because his in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara is dead but Madara has the ability to perform techniques, Where if you die, you're dead, you don't have the ability to perform a technique because your soul has left your body and you can not perform it if you are dying because you are still alive.
But where Madara is in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara can perform Jutsu's, Like the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu.
Nagato could of done the same if Nagato had control of himself because he too has that ability but of course Kishi wasn't going to let that happen.
Either way Madara is NOT disappearing in my strongest opinion because of the two reasons I've explain which is..
Muu summoned him
or
Madara uses the Rebirth Jutsu on himself
I said Nagato could perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because Nagato too was in Edo Tensei mode but was unable to perform the Rebirth Jutsu because the whole time Kabuto had control of Nagato plus Kishi wouldn't bring him back to life.
The reason why Nagato was unable to perform it on himself when Nagato was alive during the Pein Arc is because Nagato was still alive, so he couldn't bring himself alive even though he was dying due to the chakra exhaustion, he couldn't perform it when he was dead, his soul was no longer in his body.
The reason why I said Madara can do it is because his been released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu and yes Madara dead but his soul is in a body, so Madara can perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu on the dead body because Madara is able to perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because his in Edo Tensei Mode.
For example to explain it better, I have a GUN that can bring someone back to life by shooting them once with it.
Nagato did this with the Hidden Leaf Village right? he brought them back to life by shooting them all. (get what I'm trying to say?)
Nagato couldn't shoot himself with the gun because Nagato is still alive but once Nagato dies, Nagato soul is gone so Nagato's body is lifeless and can not pull the trigger due to that.
Madara has been brought back With Edo Tensei Jutsu, Now Madara is released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu.
He has the Rinnegan aka the Gun I'm referring to, So before Madara disappears Madara can shoot himself with the gun because Madara has control over his body because Madara is in edo mode, a walking zombie...
Does that make any sense? Yes I've repeated some stuff as some people didn't take in what I was saying.[/COLOR][/B]
JakeLife510
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Well what about the Seven Swordsman? Zabuza summoned them, and the other Kages that Muu summoned?
Will the same happen?
Will the same happen?
OopsWrongHole
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Well how would I know that because all the Seven Swordsman & the other Kages are sealed away...
blazekev90
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OopsWrongHole
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Lol I'm from UK, was just gonna sleep till email poped up on my phone
I can explain it shorter when I've woke up but I'll give it a try now
Summary Madara can use rebirth jutsu on himself because his in edo mode & is no longer being controlled, as he is in edo mode he has the ability to bring himself back to life as his able to perform he rebirth jutsu in his dead state
If you read all what I wrote earlier, it show you why he can do this now & not before & why Nagato wasn't able to do this
Good night
blazekev90
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kk, thanks for that and for that I'll read it now. xdLol I'm from UK, was just gonna sleep till email poped up on my phone
I can explain it shorter when I've woke up but I'll give it a try now
Summary Madara can use rebirth jutsu on himself because his in edo mode & is no longer being controlled, as he is in edo mode he has the ability to bring himself back to life as his able to perform he rebirth jutsu in his dead state
If you read all what I wrote earlier, it show you why he can do this now & not before & why Nagato wasn't able to do this
Good night
SSJ3Gotenks
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No that is not gonna happen for the reasons I wish all of you think that Madara is sticking around would read the Manga. Alot are the same ones that thought oh Kabuto can break Izanami and wouldn't release Edo Tensei. please
1) Muu did not Edo-Summon Madara Kabuto had him in his scroll already prepared to where he could summon him anytime. All Muu did was summon him straight to the battlefield.
2) Kabuto did not prepare anything like that because of his own arrogance and pride he even said it himself when fighting Itachi the edo would not stop even if he died and he could not be put under genjutsu. Of course Izanami proved that wrong.
3) When Kabuto showed Tobi the last coffin when joining with him he summoned him because he had it prepared in his scroll as he showed Tobi when asked how it works.
4) And if you think that Madara will poof himself alive that is even dumber than the previous comments he isn't even in his own body he most likely will come back but in his true body brought back by Tobi somehow. (and Really the only reason that Kishi even wanted us to see how powerful Madara was is to show us what the next power up for Sasuke is gonna be so he will be able to compete on the same level as Naruto)
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Originally Posted by JakeLife510
Well what about the Seven Swordsman? Zabuza summoned them, and the other Kages that Muu summoned?
Will the same happen?
No everyone is gonna go bye bye this guy doesnt really understand what happened or how the Edo works because he obviosly didn't read the Manga because Kabuto explained it to Tobi
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OopsWrongHole
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I don't mind you disagreeing with my theory but do not try to force people to shut up on what they think, everyone is entitled to what they like to believe
I didn't ever believe Kabuto would break out of Izanami until the seal was released
You and I and everyone else besides Kishi do not know what will happen
We can strongly agree with our beliefs but you can not try to force down your opinions and thoughts as if they are FACTS because they are NOT.
OopsWrongHole
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It only a theory
so I don't mind what people say about it as long as they don't try to force their opinions as facts until Kishi says soHowever I believe Madara won't disappear
Let me know what you thought of it if you have read it
blazekev90
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While I won't discredit the theory, Madara reviving himself would be pointless as he would no longer be an Edo or have all his major power-upsIt only a theory
However I believe Madara won't disappear
Let me know what you thought of it if you have read it
OopsWrongHole
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It why I said he'd only do that if he too was going to disappear like the others.
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blazekev90
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Hmmm tbh Madara has no place in this world, him coming is his human just finish his battle would be pointless. He'll eventually get killed or run out of chakra, and as he has seen the what the best shinobi are capable of he wouldn't want to waste his time in this generation
SSJ3Gotenks
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But thats just it everything I have said is based on facts from the manga not nonsense I pulled out if thin air. Madara was controlled by Kabuto although Kabuto gave him a little free reign but there would be no other way for Kabuto to talk to Madara in the beginning of the Kage fight if Muu Edo-summoned him but he didn't. He just summoned him to the battlefield
omg how many times do I have tell the people on these forums,
SASUKE WAS NEVER A VILLAIN IN THE STORY. He doesnt have the motive of a villain like madara and tobi.
He isnt a complex character like madara and tobi, he has no philosopical views on life. He is only as deep has typical man revenging the death of his loved ones like a typical action movie.
tobi and madara if u notice dont question life and death but the whole cycle of the way shinobi live. Sasuke will never be like that because he's just teenager who only knows what he sees now.
Naruto also like sasuke isnt a complex character but hes become selfless from the beginning losing his paraents why before sasuke, and hes a normal attachment to some1 like that for him to succeed. You know a real under dog. also naruto's past involves the plot alot.
SASUKE WAS NEVER A VILLAIN IN THE STORY. He doesnt have the motive of a villain like madara and tobi.
He isnt a complex character like madara and tobi, he has no philosopical views on life. He is only as deep has typical man revenging the death of his loved ones like a typical action movie.
tobi and madara if u notice dont question life and death but the whole cycle of the way shinobi live. Sasuke will never be like that because he's just teenager who only knows what he sees now.
Naruto also like sasuke isnt a complex character but hes become selfless from the beginning losing his paraents why before sasuke, and hes a normal attachment to some1 like that for him to succeed. You know a real under dog. also naruto's past involves the plot alot.
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Whiteknight
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Tobi's basic plan, as far as we know it, was this: Use the tailed beast chakra to make an army of Zetsu clones. Use the Zetsu clones to fight the war. After the first day, use the Zetsu clones perfect copy technique to pretend to be allied ninja, to create confusion and assassinate many ninja. This will lure out Naruto, whose special Fox powers are the only thing able to sense zetsu clones. Once naruto is out, Tobi will overpower and capture him with the Gedo Mazo, the other tailed beast powers, and some other techniques from the Rinnegan and Sharingan. Also, along the way, Sasuke would be turned into some kind of ultimate warrior to be Tobi's ally.Ok, not only did this chapter basically display the end of the war, but was only 14 a** f***ing pages!!!!!! It sucked ass and the mess bias sloppy mess and as a fan after all this time I'm very disappointed by the lack depth of this war.
All the good guys remainedU_U
A zombie had to save the dayU_U
Madara hyped us up just to shut us down
We still hadnt seem any flashbacks of Madara vs. 1st after all his mentioning U_U
Sasuke now a dumb excuse to continue with revenge U_U
I mean there was just too much that could have been corrected
Thoughts????
(oh and if you disagree, you can suck a big one haha)xd
However, Naruto and Bee together, along with Kakashi, Gai and an army of reinforcements might be more than enough to hold back Tobi on the battlefield. This is especially true because Naruto keeps getting more powerful the longer the battle goes on. His sage mode sensory powers combined with his increasing connection with the fox allowed Naruto to fight 5 other Edo Zombie Jinchuuriki by himself and win, something that tobi didn't think was possible. On the back side, Sasuke killed the original white Zetsu and is either an enemy of Tobi or at least not a reliable ally.
Tobi does have some sort of backup plan, we know. He did collect the sealing jar with the Kin/Gin brothers and the 9-tails chakra. he also had a portion of the 8-tails chakra from Sasuke and the tentacle. This might be enough for him to form at least a weakened version of the 10-tails, which would still make him the most powerful ninja on the battlefield.
If Madara was somehow able to survive the release of Edo Tensei (and with Rinne Tensei, I suggest it is possible), that makes up for the other things Tobi has lost (Sasuke, the original white zetsu, Naruto's inexperience and lack of fox-control).
I don't think the war is over, because Tobi had a plan before Kabuto and his zombie army ever joined, and with Yamato's capture Zetsu is still stronger than Tobi had planned, and the zombies did help to kill more allied ninja so his army of Zetsu is larger after the first day than he planned. We've still got a lot of war left, I think, but Tobi did lose a lot of his overwhelming advantage.
