Do you really believe this?

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Oh anorein16 I'm aware everything has consequences but in this scenario the positive consequences outway the negative. Reality is very strange that's obvious but it doesn't mean small military beats large one and it never will. I do not underestimate china nor overestimate America they have a strong economy and in time will surpass our military might but that day is not today. You can make many hypotheticals were china has the advantages but I prefer my hypotheticals somewhat reality based. In a short conflict under 10 years much larger military and more allies> strong economy and fewer allies.@kyo4 how does the navy make me preoccupied? If anything it gives credibility to my beliefs. I've always knew our military was strong but never the extent of its strength. Half of our navy would be enough to defeat chinas navy. I'm not overly patriotic it's just land under a government but if I think I'm right ill argue my points.

 

[Anorien16]

Oh anorein16 I'm aware everything has consequences but in this scenario the positive consequences outway the negative. Reality is very strange that's obvious but it doesn't mean small military beats large one and it never will. I do not underestimate china nor overestimate America they have a strong economy and in time will surpass our military might but that day is not today. You can make many hypotheticals were china has the advantages but I prefer my hypotheticals somewhat reality based. In a short conflict under 10 years much larger military and more allies> strong economy and fewer allies.@kyo4 how does the navy make me preoccupied? If anything it gives credibility to my beliefs. I've always knew our military was strong but never the extent of its strength. Half of our navy would be enough to defeat chinas navy. I'm not overly patriotic it's just land under a government but if I think I'm right ill argue my points.

All that I asked was weariness, victory is never ensured untill the last moment..... While your hypothesis is *reality based* it totally ignores political implication and circumstances which makes it less likely, but whatever floats your boat.

As for small military defeating larger one: Alexander the Great was outnumbered 5 to 1 and still won ..... so a little weariness never hurts.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

You asked weariness? I don't get that one buddy. Seeing as china and America would never go to war because of political implication it's safe to discount it. We wouldnt really even be able to discuss this if we gave politics the creedance it deserves. Everyone thinks its just our economy that would suffer, we're their biggest customers they'd be out a lot of money too. We wouldn't need to buy from china if we defeated them and other countries would side with us as we have stood with them in the past and they would want some of chinas vast wealth for themselves. No, military victory can be predicted based on circumstance. Your referring to one of the best military minds in history who broke Darius's lines leading to his victory. The best military minds of the day are in America not china. Our commanders and servicemen have seen live combat for the last ten years. We are versed in combat, when's the last war china fought? They know war theory not war itself.

 

[Anorien16]

You asked weariness? I don't get that one buddy. Seeing as china and America would never go to war because of political implication it's safe to discount it. We wouldnt really even be able to discuss this if we gave politics the creedance it deserves. We wouldn't need to buy from china if we defeated them and other countries would side with us as we have stood with them in the past and they would want some of chinas vast wealth for themselves. No victory can be predicted based on circumstance. Your referring to one of the best military minds in history who broke Darius's lines leading to his victory. The best military minds of the day are in America not china. Our commanders and servicemen have seen live combat for the last ten years. We are versed in combat, when's the last war china fought? They know war theory not war itself.

That was my point all along..... politically there can be no war UNLESS US weakens itself with stupidity..... whatever u might say but arnt ur great politicians ignoring chances of advancing the condition of ur country while they waste time with pointless bickering? Also u may not miss the seeds of separatist tendencies that is growing (they are nuts.... but when nuts seem to grow in number its worrisome) . . . . . that what I meant by weariness, 'dont let weaknesses develop' . . . . .

Well ur underestimating again, while US may actually have great minds (It definately has experiance though not against a country that has developed nukes)..... how do u know that no other country has better? Many of ur great minds are immigrants..... geniuses can be born anywhere.

One more thing while ur a good and reasonable debater and I m enjoy the discussion but ur attitude of 'if they dont give, take them by force' attitude sickens me . . . . do u really need to foster such World War Era mentality? No country or people is for enjoyment of US or its allies . . . . its tyranny and tyrants never lasts.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

In this hypothetical scenario that wouldn't happen because cooperation is beneficial every country weakens itself to some extent with war then the victor rises up fat on the ill gotten gains. Politicians have always bickered its the nature of democracy and it didn't stop us from being great in the past. Weakness doesn't develop unless we become stagnant conquering another powerful country or at the very least crippling and robbing one would usher in a new age of American prosperity. I'm not talking about just intelligence but intelligence tempered in extensive battle experience which we have more than any other country. Don't hate me hate the nature of war there are finite resources on the planet as long as those resources are the source of power and men covet power it will be this way. We're not the only country that steals from the defeated. There are around 40 wars going on right now in the world. I don't like the harsh nature of the world but I won't pretend that's not how it is. If you still doubt we could defeat china know this Japan, uk, Poland, Germany, France, several South American countries, Canada, Australia, South Korea ,taiwan and New Zealand would side with us. I started arguing this when someone on here said china could take America for payment of its debts. So if we go off of that its an act of aggression by china we destroy their navy and Air Force before they can land troops then we arm Taiwan and South Korea and assist Japan. We use these countries as staging points and neutralize all Chinese port cities crippling china and taking away its only advantage. If you would look up Chinese weapons of war. They still use aircraft and ships from the seventies. Our army is also better trained. In the Korean War 500000 or 700000 Chinese died compared to 50000 Americans. We could win a war but there isn't much reason to fight china when there are smaller fish that don't lend us money. America and Japan are two of the three countries with high tech ballistics missile sensors. China cannot detect our ballistic missiles they're living in the 1970's in terms of all their military technology. It's not a ww2 mentality it's people fighting over the finite resources it is war. No country lasts they all will not exist in time. This entire conversation has been under the pretense of neither country using nukes as the country that did would then make every other member of the UN even potential allies into enemies overnight.

 

[Grim]

You asked weariness? I don't get that one buddy. Seeing as china and America would never go to war because of political implication it's safe to discount it. We wouldnt really even be able to discuss this if we gave politics the creedance it deserves. Everyone thinks its just our economy that would suffer, we're their biggest customers they'd be out a lot of money too. We wouldn't need to buy from china if we defeated them and other countries would side with us as we have stood with them in the past and they would want some of chinas vast wealth for themselves. No, military victory can be predicted based on circumstance. Your referring to one of the best military minds in history who broke Darius's lines leading to his victory. The best military minds of the day are in America not china. Our commanders and servicemen have seen live combat for the last ten years. We are versed in combat, when's the last war china fought? They know war theory not war itself.

:sy: you are retard... I never read so much bull**** in my life. When did U.S fought a big war? And please don't tell me 2WW because Americans just come for a loot, war was won by England and Russian. U.S troops are worst troops in the world and it was proven in Iraq in Afghanistan... who is fighting on the land? Australians, Europeans and local allies I don't expect you to accept that it's just a kinda of a true story. Wars that America couldn't win, Vietnam, Japan the whole Iraq and Afghanistan war is embarrassing. When they will face forces that also have modern warfare... it will be totally different scenario. And it's not a HOLLYWOOD allys won't rush in and help U.S .. it's a childish thinking once MORE!

forget about S.Korea, Japan and Taiwan.. they will never risk theyr asses to fight your war... especially Japan America would get theyr asses kicked in Asia and China has no intrest in fighting America... because they basiclly own U.S :shrug:

Military forces in U.S are superior but that's about it..military minds...lmao you don't need master minds to figure out that F16 vs ak 47 is a hell of a plan

You can't tell who would win.. it's a 50/50.. but economicly america already lost

 

[Redd]

Freedom is not free but the U.S Marines will pay most of your share.

 

[Ipanepa]

war economics and money

 

[Sir Blades]

i live in america, i love my country but i too have an issue with the amount of money they spend, the sad part is that this is actually much lower than what it used to be. every communist country seems to want a rumble with the u.s, but whatever

 

[ChocolateBear]

No country would dare try to go to war with the USA thats a big no no

 

[The Infernal Spirit]

I've grown listening to ppl talking about how mighty United Sates of America are and how developed they are compared to the rest of the world (Japan, Germany & South Korea not included, of course) and just a few minutes ago i was checking a thread talking about the U.S military funds and how big it is.
I love America though i don't live there, but seriously: does America REALLY need such an enormous amount of money wasted on military R+D? Which country would be crazy enough to attack them? They have the most advanced army in the world, the second one in manpower....then again: why is that amount of money necessary?

Why are you concerned about another countries expenses in the first place ?
Anyway your not going to get an answer here at narutobase that is not biased or just flat out wrong.
Go and do some research on official websites run by the branches of Unites states that are actually responsible for such information.
But since you do no live in this country certain reasons wouldn't make too much sense to you anyway.

 

[The Infernal Spirit]

:sy: you are retard... I never read so much bull**** in my life. When did U.S fought a big war? And please don't tell me 2WW because Americans just come for a loot, war was won by England and Russian. U.S troops are worst troops in the world and it was proven in Iraq in Afghanistan... who is fighting on the land? Australians, Europeans and local allies I don't expect you to accept that it's just a kinda of a true story. Wars that America couldn't win, Vietnam, Japan the whole Iraq and Afghanistan war is embarrassing. When they will face forces that also have modern warfare... it will be totally different scenario. And it's not a HOLLYWOOD allys won't rush in and help U.S .. it's a childish thinking once MORE!

forget about S.Korea, Japan and Taiwan.. they will never risk theyr asses to fight your war... especially Japan America would get theyr asses kicked in Asia and China has no intrest in fighting America... because they basiclly own U.S :shrug:

Military forces in U.S are superior but that's about it..military minds...lmao you don't need master minds to figure out that F16 vs ak 47 is a hell of a plan

You can't tell who would win.. it's a 50/50.. but economicly america already lost

Whoa buddy !lol
If you keep talking people are going to assume you know what your taking about.
Now i know the urge to look smart on the internet in tantalizing but you need to stop with your pseudo knowledge.

 

[Grim]

Whoa buddy !lol
If you keep talking people are going to assume you know what your taking about.
Now i know the urge to look smart on the internet in tantalizing but you need to stop with your pseudo knowledge.

:sy:

 

[Sir Blades]

exactly what im saying, the user only posted suppositions that the media has expanded, unless he/she actually works for the united states government, he/she dont know ****.

 

[Hawtness]

Came into this thread expecting a flame war.

Not leaving disappointed.

 

[Westonsusong13]

im surprise another world war hasent happen yet .......but The USA will burn in hell sooner or later

That was kinda extreme , why don't you like the USA ? (Hope that didn't sound rude or anything I'm jw)

 

[Simplified]

Well to be honest Defence is top priority any country such poppular counrty like US aways hv to on their guard i dont they wasting money with thier defence funds

Incorrect. Our troops are spread so thin, that if someone attacked the country head-on, on our own soil, we'd be demolished.

 

[Jonesy161]

Financially, America is actually quite horrible. We may be powerful, we may seem free, but reality is America is f---ing itself over. We have a debt of over $16 trillion. Now most would say oh, but that's just the goverment, the citizens are fine. Well, no, no we are not. That national debt is our debt. Each American has a debt of over $50k to them because of that. Our buildings, bridges, roads, they're all unsafe except for the ones built in recent years due to the lack of money. Our schools are in trouble, education is declining.

Worst of all, the "grown-ups" who think they are fixing the problem are only fixing their problem. The outcome will screw over the next generation, the generation after that and the generation after that. In the long run, we're in an impending crisis. Our fancy freedom, the false advertisement to lure you to our country, it's all a lie so that we can have a higher population to spread our debt wider.

Don't move to America if you've been thinking about it. I really want to move out.

 

[SakiBombJutsu]

To maintain dominance and exploit weaker countries of course. Not a pretty truth but its true. if we spend the most money on r&d we always have the best weapons. Btw the american navy is bigger than the next ten largest navies combinded, I just enlisted in the navy

Have fun in the navy. I've been out for a while now, but some of my most memorable times were in the navy. PS don't sweat boot camp that much. It could most certainly be worse... marine boot camp is scary.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

@grim do you insult because you lack valid points? Our revolutionary war against the most powerful empire of the time ,The Spanish American war that we won so decisively Mexico wanted to be annexed by us, north korea that received backing from china and got 500,000 Chinese soliders killed to our 50,000, ww1 we had to help you little European ladies clean up your mess, ww2 Russia held its own by throwing millions of soliders lives away to protect the city named after their leader stalingrade what remarkable battle tact, England was surrounded and the nazis were bombing you regularly we saved it, we defeated Japan who had managed to dominate every pacific nation and occupy large parts of china. Yes Australians and Europeans are fighting on the land along with Americans. See smart guy were allies. Vietnam had our country divided and we got tired of trying to help people that just betrayed us and his from the fight, I'm sorry did you say we couldn't beat Japan? Please learn some history in all that world travel you do. We could have taken Japan without nukes but it would have cost far more lives. I'm not embarrassed by Iraq and Afghanistan we attacked them and now were probably gonna control their puppet government forever. South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are close allies they would help us please read before giving your opinion. South Korea because we have the military to give them confidence and to this day we help them against North Korea, Japan because they dislike the Chinese are close to us and ever since ww2 have wanted Chinese territory, Taiwan because it is a rebellious province of china that already has standoffs with china from time to time. We have no interest in fighting them either your getting but butthurt over a hypothetical situation. If they owned us we'd be flying their flag. We can't successfully invade each other alone and hurting each others economies would cause hardship on both sides. Really you think military intelligence is just comparing rifles? You called me 11? And militarily china has lost they have tech from the 1970's in use, they can't track our subs our our ballistic missiles. They export like crazy so if we so desired we could squash their navy and destroy their port cities leaving them in ruin.