Do you consider edo tensei as a legit jutsu?

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I count Orochimaru's more than Kabuto's, sure he had a hell of a lot, but if you're miles away from the battle, and then the one fight you get in, you lose, that's pretty weak. Atleast Orochimaru used the jutsu and fought right alongside of it.

Put Orochimaru as the planner in a war and see what he does, because I promise you the answer isn't fight alongside them. They're both tactical and smart survivors, Kabuto stayed at a distance because even though he could destroy the battlefields, his safety was more important in the plan, plus Kabuto wasn't going to get his hands dirty in a war he didn't care about, the guy just wanted Sasuke.

Orochimaru used them to torment his former sensei in a closed off box. Kabuto was planning a war and was being a strategical mastermind. You can't really compare them when the situation is so different. Plus Kabuto did fight alongside them anyway in Chikara, why do you think you wouldn't?

 

[Cypher]

This. It's still not a 1v1 in my book, but at least i can respect the fight, that's more like using puppets rather than doing a fancy "call for help" jutsu.



Because that's not how it works. There were multiple summons resuming their battles while kabuto was fighting itachi and sasuke. Summons who would never participate willingly. The talisman acts as a controller, making the summon fight back without intervention by the user.

Different talismans can be used to enact different degrees of control. Orochimaru's talismans completely eliminated the personalities of the summoned, turning them into mindless killing machines under his command.




so ya under his command

 

[Meee]

Puppets and Paths cannot and do not fight for themselves like edos do.

Summons and Ninja Pets fight for themselves, They are included hell Naruto was laughed at for bringing it up at the Chuunin Exams, Edo's aint different Kabuto and Oro even have the ability to control Edo's

Anyway i recall having conversations with you about Edo's being legit numerous times, i doubt this one will end differently agree to disagree? =D

 

[KcMSean]

Put Orochimaru as the planner in a war and see what he does, because I promise you the answer isn't fight alongside them. They're both tactical and smart survivors, Kabuto stayed at a distance because even though he could destroy the battlefields, his safety was more important in the plan, plus Kabuto wasn't going to get his hands dirty in a war he didn't care about, the guy just wanted Sasuke.

Orochimaru used them to torment his former sensei in a closed off box. Kabuto was planning a war and was being a strategical mastermind. You can't really compare them when the situation is so different. Plus Kabuto did fight alongside them anyway in Chikara, why do you think you wouldn't?

If I was using them for the sole purpose of catching someone, and I had that oppportunity, I'd probably take him if it was that strong. And he was dumb enough to not summon any of them to himself to fight when it came down to it. And above all, I consider Orochimaru stronger. Whether he was tormenting the third or not, why does that matter? And in Chikara, I don't even think thats canon. Plus he barely fought.

Also, never said I would fight with em, if you bring me into, I'm not using dead people too begin with.

 

[Arugon]

Kishi says yes...

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

lol, edo is too OP to be considered legit.

Kabuto's Edo is OP (30 summonings, almost full controlling above the 90% of them)
Orochimaru's Edo is not (4 summonings one of them can't be controlled two of them are featless)

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

If I was using them for the sole purpose of catching someone, and I had that oppportunity, I'd probably take him if it was that strong. And he was dumb enough to not summon any of them to himself to fight when it came down to it. And above all, I consider Orochimaru stronger. Whether he was tormenting the third or not, why does that matter? And in Chikara, I don't even think thats canon. Plus he barely fought.

I wouldn't call that dumb at all. There were only a few edos left and some of them were trapped like Dan. Chiyo and Kimimaro would've hardly shook up the fight and they were the only thing stopping the alliance from claiming total victory and joining back up early. Retreating them would be pointless, especially when Kabuto was so in control with his situation. He had designed himself to counter every form of attack any Uchiha could throw at him. How was he meant to know some deus ex machina technique that nobody knew of, including Kishimoto prior the previous chapter?

Kabuto's thinking wasn't illogical at all. That's why Kabuto and Orochimaru were strong, they're survivors. Like a snake, it doesn't make sense to compare them because they were totally different scenarios, who WOULDN'T fight alongside all their edos if put into a sealed box like Hiruzen and Oro were? Please reread my post, and whether Chikara is canon or not- does it actually matter? I'm sure that Kabuto doesn't lack the ability to move whilst his edos are present, that's a silly idea. Kabuto Snake Cloak was just never shown to be in a situation where fighting alongside Edos would've been a smart move, and Orochimaru was never shown to be in a situation where he needed to fight multiple foes at once scattered around a whole warzone. Because they had like one fight each. Simple.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Yes, any jutsu you use is a part of your power.

 

[Fountain]

Kabuto wasn't OP because of edo tensei, Edo tensei was a bonus...

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

lol, edo is too OP to be considered legit.

Well that's the funny thing about it. It doesn't matter if you call it 'OP' because you'd be dead. Your opinion of it doesn't matter, if it's a power that can be used and does damage then it IS legit, because Kishi says so and the Edo Tensei character is the winner.

It's not a boxing match- it's battles to the death in Naruto, winner takes all.

 

[blackstar9]

Its a summoning jutsu so its legit . Now its not a moral jutsu . But there is no morals in war .

 

[KcMSean]

I wouldn't call that dumb at all. There were only a few edos left and some of them were trapped like Dan. Chiyo and Kimimaro would've hardly shook up the fight and they were the only thing stopping the alliance from claiming total victory and joining back up early. Retreating them would be pointless, especially when Kabuto was so in control with his situation. He had designed himself to counter every form of attack any Uchiha could throw at him. How was he meant to know some deus ex machina technique that nobody knew of, including Kishimoto prior the previous chapter?

Kabuto's thinking wasn't illogical at all. That's why Kabuto and Orochimaru were strong, they're survivors. Like a snake, it doesn't make sense to compare them because they were totally different scenarios, who WOULDN'T fight alongside all their edos if put into a sealed box like Hiruzen and Oro were? Please reread my post, and whether Chikara is canon or not- does it actually matter? I'm sure that Kabuto doesn't lack the ability to move whilst his edos are present, that's a silly idea. Kabuto Snake Cloak was just never shown to be in a situation where fighting alongside Edos would've been a smart move, and Orochimaru was never shown to be in a situation where he needed to fight multiple foes at once scattered around a whole warzone. Because they had like one fight each. Simple.

Orochimaru chose to put himself in the box because he was confident he could kill the guy, and he would have if he didn't kill himself first. All I'm sayin is Kabuto is weaker than Orochimaru, it's an opinion. No need to get so defensive. Orochimaru with his own chakra can use edo tenseisbetter than someone who only managed it when he stole someone elses.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Orochimaru chose to put himself in the box because he was confident he could kill the guy, and he would have if he didn't kill himself first. All I'm sayin is Kabuto is weaker than Orochimaru, it's an opinion. No need to get so defensive. Orochimaru with his own chakra can use edo tenseisbetter than someone who only managed it when he stole someone elses.

Nothing i'm saying is defensive, plus i'm not saying anything about Kabuto/Orochimaru- you just commented on how you think one's battle tactics and skills are worse than the other's because of 1 situation.

 

[KcMSean]

Nothing i'm saying is defensive, plus i'm not saying anything about Kabuto/Orochimaru- you just commented on how you think one's battle tactics and skills are worse than the other's because of 1 situation.

Meh, I don't think it's cause of one situation, I've seen Kabuto enough to consider his skills weaker. Simple. If you're not saying anything about them then you wouldn't even be commenting. You've got Kabuto as your sig and avatar, you seem defensive.

 

[Prime Rib]

Its a legit jutsu

 

[Khallil]

No, to my opinion, if you're making e.i. a top 10 list, don't include edo's
but it is a legit jutsu

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Meh, I don't think it's cause of one situation, I've seen Kabuto enough to consider his skills weaker. Simple. If you're not saying anything about them then you wouldn't even be commenting. You've got Kabuto as your sig and avatar, you seem defensive.

The defensiveness is in your head, nothing i've stated is an opinion dude, all just facts. My character preference doesn't come into it. I personally don't know who wins in Kabuto VS Orochimaru and didn't say I did but whatever, sure- just another mindless Kabuto fanboy.

Also you've seen enough of Kabuto to make that assumption? You mean you've seen more than 1 Snake Cloak Kabuto fight? Woah.

 

[KcMSean]

The defensiveness is in your head, nothing i've stated is an opinion dude, all just facts. My character preference doesn't come into it. I personally don't know who wins in Kabuto VS Orochimaru and didn't say I did but whatever, sure- just another mindless Kabuto fanboy.

Also you've seen enough of Kabuto to make that assumption? You mean you've seen more than 1 Snake Cloak Kabuto fight? Woah.

I've seen enough of Kabuto to make that assumption, yes. And it doesn't matter if he had more than one fight, for all we know he can't use it now, and without Orochimaru's chakra, he's probably much weaker. I can make those assumptions.

 

[H8OnItachi]

No it isnt.

First of all, i dont know if im understanding it correctly, but im pretty sure kabuto and how he participated in the war isnt the topic, most of you guys are using moral or kabuto's edo controlling feats to bypass the fact an edo tensei is NOT your power.

Definition of power: The ability to do something or act in a particular way, as a faculty or quality.

Second, why is edo tensei not part of a shinobi's power? Using Narutoverse, its because other shinobi are fighting the battle, effectively making them ''join'' your team. Not to mention this is OP and highly unfair, kabuto/orochimaru are adding extra shinobi as teammates, controlling them, and turning this from a (hipothetical) 1v1 to a 31v1.

Note1: Im talking about Kabuto's perfected edo tensei, in which they have wills, kabuto does not ahev control of them fully, and even has showed he needs to force sometimes for the summoned to be in comlete control. Orochimaru's part 1 Edo tensei acts more like a normal summoning, since they lose personalities, and act as fully on oro's behalf.

Note2: i know i will need to say this now or else ill get quoted in the future: madara's control over kurama is COMPLETELY different than the one forced by the edo tensei. Madara, even if hes forcing the bijuu to work by his side, 1. its not a human being nor a shinobi (however it does have a personality), the day we start counting non-human beings in the top 10 then this will be similar to edo tensei. 2. Madara uses it as part of his arsenal in co-op, and acts in complete behalf of madara.

Note3: When making a VS thread or a top 10, the edo tensei should be just as banned as KA, however edo's themeselves (ex. madara, minato) should be counted as hipothetically alive if they differ from their canonically alive versions, if as revived they surpass theyre prime alive versions.