[Discussion] Do you consider all feminists bad??

[Avani]

Ira, your brain is half-asleep as I am being sarcastic. Witcher has a laughable story and the female representation is trashy at best.

Good night then. I have to get up early in the morning with less than 4 hours sleep. >_>

 

[shelke]

Good night then. I have to get up early in the morning with less than 4 hours sleep. >_>

I have to get up early as well. University stuff. I am done with this thread for today.

 

[Anorien16]

Says the guy who started this tried nonsense and couldn't contain his emotions because I said I believe Anita isn't entirely wrong. Haha, The idea of irony shouldn't be lost on you.

Irony indeed ... Cos I copy pasted your own words in reply to you *****ing about my posting style in jest.

God, your comments are tedious and absurd. You still don't know how analyses work and it's pitiful. Jill is one of the few examples of neutral; she isn't bad but she isn't positive either. Which part of the term 'majority' eludes your half-functioning noggin?

How does your fully functioning noggin fail to realize I am saying that Jill is the common example of the neutral to positive females?
Neither you nor I can provide solid data about that and thus I proposed that I would provide many non negative female presentation to each of the bad one's you provide.

You gave an example from Witcher, I pointed out how asburdly handled its sexuality is.

I mentioned Ynnefer from Witcher, and you did not say anything anything about her. I am not sure but does Feminist or High Level Ciritical Analysis ignores the very subject of matter?

The players are given aburd choices that make a game 'mature' just for the sake of it.

Yes ... Having choice to sleep with whomever and whenever is absurd. Second Wave Feminists would have loved you.

I guess it's consensual ***, so it must mean something? Oh my gosh, it has consensual ***, how mature, man! You collect *** game cards, how mature and empowered! Is this some kind of a dull joke?

Still not a single word about Yennefer or her faults/merits.

Also only in Witcher 1 a romantic encounter is depicted by showing a erotic picture (usually only topless) with some background moaning or Geralt bending instead of any 'real' scene (A very tame replacement really) ... But the design was indeed in poor taste and it was taken out next installments.

Rule of the Rose and Drakengard cover topics such as pedophilia and incest, and yet, I haven't called them tasteless pieces of trash. Catherine is a game that entirely centers on the topic of sexuality, and yet, I haven't pointed it out for being mature just for the sake of it. I wonder why. If Witcher is your ceiling mark for rad female presentation, then you need to get out more, because your defense for the game's garish content to suit the dyspeptic looking hero is as laughable as it can get.

Really? Oh master of implication who is educated in Gender Studies, well versed in Critical Theory when did I imply that Witcher is my celling mark or even imply that it is a work of art? Did my listing Yennefer as a positive female imply that much? Please enlighten me master.

If there is a joke around .... its you. Its laughable that you dont talk about 7 out of 10 charachters, and the one you are fixed upon ... you rant on about anything and everything other than her.

This point doesn't make a lick of sense, when I made it pretty damn clear that a game can have a pacifist character and still engage in gameplay necessities. Fiona from Haunting Ground doesn't kill because she has to, it's a kill or be killed situation forced upon her.

Do you know that kill or be killed situation is forced upon majority of characters? Also it was my mistake to use the word pacifist. Let me correct it: 'Anita described Jade as someone who who always uses non violent ways to solve her problems.' Which is a misrepresentation.

No, you made it sound as if the punishment was a huge deal. I only gave a much-needed spin to your bizarre point.

I made it sound what it is, never commented upon the degree of it. In fact I said that on the context that the game discourages it. Not to mention The entire point of the game is to be a Silent Assassin and avoid all form of casualties except the target. And Anita misrepresented that into something absolutely wrong and proceeded to describe a common game mechanic as misogynistic.

Define criticism. I don't need an oxford definition. Highlight the process.

As someone who read Critical Theory you should know. But let me give you a basic lesson: When criticizing the taste of an apple dont go on a rant about the condition of the tree and not mention the apple at all.

As for Witcher, then yeah, they try hard to be mature just for the sake of it. Are they bad games? No. Because a game has a lot to offer other than simple representations. It has gameplay as a highlight at the end of the day. Do they have great stories and excellent characters? What a joke.

Still your noggin functions so fast that it still hasnt registered the name Yennefer. I repeat again ... Yennefer imo is a postive female. If you think Yennefer is not a positive female please provide you arguments against it. Also make sure you are analyzing Yennefer.

Also I would love to listen to why Witcher's plot is bad for a RPG game. (The First one was generic but the new two definitely wasnt)

I didn't read the whole post and it's almost 2 AM so my brain is half asleep- but did you use witcher and rad female representation in the same sentence? The *** card one?
arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/05/the-naked-lady-cards-of-the-witcher-collect-them-all/
^ that one? Where gamers can collect women they had *** with?

Witcher 1 has that erotic slideshow instead of a *** scene, there is no 'collecting' women involved. Thankfully they realized it was retarded and discontinued it in the later installments.
Also I daresay its a RPG and its your choice if you want to bed someone or not.

 

[Avani]

Witcher 1 has that erotic slideshow instead of a *** scene, there is no 'collecting' women involved. Thankfully they realized it was retarded and discontinued it in the later installments.
Also I daresay its a RPG and its your choice if you want to bed someone or not.

Of course you are not collecting women "physically" - once used they are already on the score card in form of trading cards and collected. There is another one to score while the previous one is done in. Her physical presence isn't needed anymore, you have the evidence you did her. Yes these women are collectible item.

" But when the protagonist sleeps with the sorceress (whom he clearly has a history with), the player is presented with a pin-up card as if she were some sort of trophy. Furthermore, the player is offered clumsy and juvenile “come on” dialog for each of the women he meets subsequently[…]

[…]…and with each conquest, the player is treated to a diffuse *** scene and a pin-up card of the women he has *** with.

Admittedly, the player is given the option to not sleep with these women, but the constant presence of sexually predatory dialog from the character I was controlling was a bit much to deal with. There was no option to forge strong non-sexual relationships with these women. There was no option to be supportive of them in a platonic fashion. Only *** or disregard for our hero. "

That's how a female gamer put it.

"The inclusion of a mini game that lets you collect cards after sleeping with women has turned me off this game completely. I can’t think of anything more immature then that in all honesty."

^ says another. Do you have to agree with them? No. But you can call it retarded, gamespot reviewer can call it pathetic but bad PR if the females speak up or one not so well written article makes the issue go away?


Anyway Here is an article on witcher 2 :

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It's a food for thought whether you agree with a view or not.