I've seen compelling evidence that supports the supposition that they play an important role in our lives like determining personality traits, bad luck, future etc. Thoughts?
I tend to let the day go by and then at the end of it, while getting ready to go to sleep, I check the daily horoscope to see if it alligns with how my day went. That's a way to test the validity. For example, I'd get the prediction that my father which whom I rarely communicate would contact me today after a couple of months of no contact. It happened that day and the daily horoscope mentioned it in detail.The existence of something, even recognised, does not equate to you having a perfect understanding of it. So even if something exists, it does not mean you are fit to use it.
Even wuth an adequate understanding, it does not mean it is good to use it at all. A volcano exists, has lots of energy, that does not kean you should try to collect that energy to power your house.
Even with the skill to use it, it still does not mean you should use it. The energy of a volcano is needed for maintaining environmental energy balance. Even if you could safely take it, you would deprive the environment of its needed energy. Global warming works on this principle.
So even if Horrorscopes and such things (omenisms) exist, it does not mean we should use them. In this case its our own internal energy balance that it at stake. What you read from a horrorscope is not necessarily worth reading ajd could simply distract you from more important things.
In this case, our own imperfection - which is kinda the premise behind using them - makes them potentially dangerous if not conclusively bad to use. And that is even assuming they are the real deal.
All things are connectedI tend to let the day go by and then at the end of it, while getting ready to go to sleep, I check the daily horoscope to see if it alligns with how my day went. That's a way to test the validity. For example, I'd get the prediction that my father which whom I rarely communicate would contact me today after a couple of months of no contact. It happened that day and the daily horoscope mentioned it in detail.
People who haven't actually studied this phenomena are not qualified to even form an opinion on the matter
That depends on what you allow to disturb your inner peace. If one is troubled in some area of his life, or just in need of some inspiration or mental clarity, horoscopes can offer some needed guidance. Whether you're inclined against it or not is a personal choice and does not take away validity from astrology.All things are connected
For the first part, this means even your simple testing can disturb you internally. Can. I'm inclined against it, but i cannot gurantee it being a bad disturbance.
For the second part, it means anyone (even a kid) can always talk about something and offer something credible because their experience with related things gives them some degree of understanding here.
Hence i said that i cannot guarantee its a bad disturbance . . .That depends on what you allow to disturb your inner peace. If one is troubled in some area of his life, or just in need of some inspiration or mental clarity, horoscopes can offer some needed guidance. Whether you're inclined against it or not is a personal choice and does not take away validity from astrology.
Regarding the scientific breakdown of astrology; Its a science we have yet to fully grasp. Astrology/astronomy is at the base of every religion and our distant past is still a mystery. If I had a christian friend of mine watch a monthly prediction of his sign and having it sent shivers down his spine, calling it a satanic abomination that read his soul thoroughly..yeah, I'd say its just another individual confused by something he can't really fathom.
And nor do I, I just go with it
I think you're overcomplicating our talk here and I'm not in the mood for dragged out debates but I do agree with, and only now realise that my comment about my christian friend and you being confused came across as an attack. I apologize for that.Hence i said that i cannot guarantee its a bad disturbance . . .
Actually, in a discussion of value and suitability, my inclinations are not a choice, but a belief, belief based on experience, knowledge etc. That applies to anyone's inclinations. You dont choose to believe whether 1+1=2 or not, it happens based on your understanding.
And even before that, you don't choose what disturbs you either. Or even how it disturbs you. Disturbance is literally being moved. You dont choose to not bemoved when a bus hits you. It happens and how much it happens depends on your own qualities (resistances etc) vs those of whatever is moving you (its own qualities like weight etc). Well, unless you can give reason for a fundamental difference between psychological ("internal energy") and physical movement to the extent of you having choice over being moved. At best you can train yourself up, but in your current state during a current interaction there is literally zero choice factor in whether something disturbs you or not.
How on earth do you not understand such basic principles, literally how things work! And this is personal stuff, not the sort of thing you should need to be taught about. Have you never experienced being disturbed by something? Do you not have opinions and perspectives on things?
Scientific breakdown? Interesting
Anyway. On one hand you say its a science. Okay? Technically, anything based on knowledge and process is a science, so it hardly lends the credibility you're seeking to give it. Then on the other hand you say we have yet to understand it. That is an attempt to defend any faults found with it. Unfortunately, that contradicts your "its science" credibility lending attempt. Its not much of a science if we lack solid understanding of it. Not stating my own views here (my personal views are actually a lot more positive about it), just looking at your own side. That's also how i recognise the attempts at defending it. Pure expressions don't contradict themselves. To close that sentence off, our lack of understanding is not a defence for something we use, its a reason to not use it!
At the base of every religion? That's another credibility attempt and its a statement you can hardly prove. But even if it was true, it doesn't address anything i said. Like, read my post. Its about usage, not credibility.
Then you close off with an appeal to ridicule . . . i could say more on this but honestly . . .
Funny thing is that if you read my post, you'll notice that the very first and very last sentences both show that im giving full credibility to the omenisms. So the fact that you jump to defend that part says a lot about your own views on it - the views of those who defend it.
I was just making a general expression of logical reasoning regarding usage of thing, any and all things, really. Your defence is of a point i didn't even bring up and even then it is inadequate. Seriously, man. I actually have a more positive view on these things than even you, but the way we've gone it looks like I'm attacking them.
Its a troublesome thing.I think you're overcomplicating our talk here and I'm not in the mood for dragged out debates but I do agree with, and only now realise that my comment about my christian friend and you being confused came across as an attack. I apologize for that.
A 'disturbance', in my book, usually correlates with words such as; failure, interference, malfunction, outage, breakdown. I don't really see what could be so disturbing about a reading. "You will have a day full adversity" If that is the type of stuff you're referring too that could rob you of your inner peace.. again, its what you allow to disturb you. Such a prediction would be used to my benefit to expect and handle adversity throughout my day in a controlled manner. A child couldn't really comprehend intricate readings, a young teenager probably. Experience and insight are also key into grasping readings and the message they try to put into words.
In my language, 'science' literally translates into 'knowing-ship'.
We, as a collective do not know the entirety of the mystery behind astro(theology) is all I'm saying. Lets not complicate the point any further.
"the very first and very last sentences both show that im giving full credibility to the omenisms. So the fact that you jump to defend that part says a lot about your own views on it - the views of those who defend it. "
^ Fair enough, I get your point. I misunderstood you and was too fast with my reply
edit: I've spent tons of hours over the past 11 years researching astrotheology, cymatics, etc. so yeah, if I say astrology is at the base of most, if not every religion, its not just a random claim.
A small hint: Luke 22:10