[Debate] Do you believe in lover being more than a genetic chemical reaction ?

[DominiqueX]

Pheromones are used to attract potential mates. This cause chemical changes in the brain, leading to infatuation. People started calling it "love".

Done.

Love is more than just infatuation. Like Umari Senju said, you can explain the physical part of the whole affection-thing, but not the psychological, social aspect of deep love. Science can't fully explain the human mind and consciousness yet. Love is a big part of these two aspects.

We are the only species who doesn't solely engage in sexual behavior for the sole purpose reproduction.

That's actually wrong. Humans are not the only ones. Several other ape- and monkey-species (the Bonobos are the most famous ones), pigs, dolphins.. they also have *** for fun and/or social reasons, not only for reproduction.

 

[Marin]

The reason why materialism is depressing is because, in a nutshell, there is no self. On it, "I" am merely a collective product of brain activity which is guided by a chain of casualty. No freedom, no will, no me, no emotions of the same "me". Just experiences guided by natural laws and a touch of randomness.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Love is more than just infatuation. Like Umari Senju said, you can explain the physical part of the whole affection-thing, but not the psychological, social aspect of deep love. Science can't fully explain the human mind and consciousness yet. Love is a big part of these two aspects.

Science: There has to be something, before it can be explained. So far both you and Umari have spoken of unexplained side/quality of love YET didn't even mention what this "X" side is before it can be explained...

It's like saying "I want you to explain a "X" but I don't know how I can point/tell you its existence" basically a dog chasing its tail...

 

[Umari Senju]

Which other side of love is not explained scientifically? Pigs, Dolphins, A few other primates occasionaly have sexual activities purely on boasting purposes...

The side of love that keeps a parent in their child's life well after they've reached adulthood and have "left the nest" as it were. The part of love that makes people do foolish, heroic, and destructive things for the sake of this state of mind/being we call love.

When the hatching/cub reaches maturity most mammals cease protecting and caring for their offspring and begin anew. Other mammals, so far as we know, don't hold ceremonies to profess their lifelong commitment to their significant other. These sort of things are not explained through chemical means and is more of a social/mental construct adopted by humans to give the concept of love importance and relevance. Other mammals do no such thing and few rarely take a single partner for life.

Ha ha of course that last statmens can apply to some of humanity as well I suppose XD

 

[Umari Senju]

Love is more than just infatuation. Like Umari Senju said, you can explain the physical part of the whole affection-thing, but not the psychological, social aspect of deep love. Science can't fully explain the human mind and consciousness yet. Love is a big part of these two aspects.


That's actually wrong. Humans are not the only ones. Several other ape- and monkey-species (the Bonobos are the most famous ones), pigs, dolphins.. they also have *** for fun and/or social reasons, not only for reproduction.

Really...learn something new everyday. Do you have a source of reference for this? Not that I'm doubting your response. I'd like to further educate myself on the subject. I find biology/zoology fascinating. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[HashiraMadara]

The reason why materialism is depressing is because, in a nutshell, there is no self. On it, "I" am merely a collective product of brain activity which is guided by a chain of casualty. No freedom, no will, no me, no emotions of the same "me". Just experiences guided by natural laws and a touch of randomness.

So in shallow terms you are a determinist?

Really...learn something new everyday. Do you have a source of reference for this? Not that I'm doubting your response. I'd like to further educate myself on the subject. I find biology/zoology fascinating. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Try to hurt a single Elephant, you will suffer a terror from its mother and the rest of its family...
Dolphins remain next to their mothers the rest of their lives, living in protective schools


- Many animals have life long mating partners:
* Bald Eagle
* Arctic Fox
* Emperor Penguin(Majority of penguins for that matter)
* Beavers
* Wolves
I can continue with this list.

By this that means these animals have this "thing" oh wait you said it was unique to humans... SO we haven't explained yet what this thing is...

 

[DominiqueX]

Really...learn something new everyday. Do you have a source of reference for this? Not that I'm doubting your response. I'd like to further educate myself on the subject. I find biology/zoology fascinating. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Well, there are more than 150 sources at the bottom of this wikipedia-article (

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), I'm sure you can find something useful there. And you can always search on official science websites of your language. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with official, prestigious english-speaking science-websites. Sorry.

 

[dms_kakashi]

You're looking for an explanation to something science can only explain half of. Chemical reactions/pheromones cover the physical attraction part, but love is a concept unique to humans. We are the only species who doesn't solely engage in sexual behavior for the sole purpose reproduction. Love in neither physical nor chemical. It's more than the sum of it's scientific chemical reactions. Love is more of concept/state of being unique to humanity.

There really isn't an easy or be all explaination to it.

There are other animals beside human who involve in sexual activities for fun.

 

[Marin]

I try my best to avoid determinism.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I try my best to avoid determinism.

I am not saying it is dumbfounded concept because current science has likely hood of something called time slices

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time cones playing a major role in enforcing in that: Therefore it is a plausible possibility(Seeing how you are a shy self denying determinist)


HOWEVER: Let's say tonight's game plays and Mun loose the game against Liverpool by 2 - 1

Then We decided to repeat the match with all constraints being the same only time differing: Why doesn't the same turn of events happen?

 

[Marin]

I'm not a determinist. I am a Christian and as such want there to be actual freedom of will but due to the lack of appropriate argumentation I cannot help but doubt this greatly desired belief. As things are in order to stay dedicated to truth I'd have to endorse determinism, but in doing so life would be miserable as it has been for some time now.

 

[Wabbit]

* A Leopard will fight fiercely to protect its cubs, but if needs be, it will leave them behind to live another day and have another litter... seems logical...

* A lioness will help the current King to battle whichever intruder to protect its cubs but if powerful enough, she will let it slide to have cubs with this new clearly genetically superior King,..

This seems to be chemically controlled by endocrine systems I suppose(hormones, instinct) until:

A mother sacrificed her self in an earthquake(Japan) for her child to live, leaving a note behind. As poignant as it seem by Natural standards it could judged as rather foolish as she could have replaced the helpless thing with way more later on in life. Maybe she saw only a small body can survive in the tiny space, we'll never know.
Therefore:

IS LOVE ABOVE ENDOCRINE SYSTEM CHEMICAL REACTIONS??

I had thought it was usual for animals to sacrifice themselves for the survival of their offspring.

Love is your brain makes you high on by releasing those chemicals. I think it is called oxytocin. Since humans have capacity to think I guess there are multitude aspects here that goes into decision making
they keep stimulating their brain because they think or remember so their love does not die off
our thinking capacity makes us overcome the feels that brain produces fear or even love
environment a person grew up in, his past experiences affect the decision making instead of an instinct based behavior running away or leaving the child.
Perhaps bonding and self sacrifice is some evolutionary stuff since we are social beings


I think what matters is unlike animals We Know and can define love so even if your brain does not make you high you can still decide to live upto your definition of love.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I'm not a determinist. I am a Christian and as such want there to be actual freedom of will but due to the lack of appropriate argumentation I cannot help but doubt this greatly desired belief. As things are in order to stay dedicated to truth I'd have to endorse determinism, but in doing so life would be miserable as it has been for some time now.

To me that is very unlikely. Imagine the size of this cosmos being all preset, be it vacuum energy, particle soups, quantum probability etc. If God out there planned everything then he is the most patient and unnecessary there is really...

 

[Marin]

To me that is very unlikely. Imagine the size of this cosmos being all preset, be it vacuum energy, particle soups, quantum probability etc. If God out there planned everything then he is the most patient and unnecessary there is really...

What is? Existence of God or free will?

 

[Deadlift]

The fact that we perceive love and the other feelings by chemical reactions in our brain doesn't mean that they don't exist. Also, you should distinguish between infatuation and love. The first can be automatic, the second is not.

I don't even think this is a matter of determinism (view that is declining by the way)

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Err never thought of that...

But I'm sure it's more than just the physical attraction. Something deep.