Do you believe in Karma

[Rei]

You didn't get what I said. If you look at my post, you see I highlighted certain words in the quote. What she posted doesn't sound solid because she indicates she isn't sure of her own case. Things 'may be' and 'usually' are like that, etc. They aren't solid enough to support an argument with, you need solid statements, preferably facts, to support an argument.

I get what you meant, but that's what i am trying to tell you, her belief in karma is not letting her present solid arguments about this in a conversation. The uncertainty we all see there is not random, it is a choice. People who believe in karma will not tell you that karma is real nor that karma is fake. They will state their opinion in a way to not let you know what they truly believe about it, as supporting an argument with solid statements is really something she/i/ we don't want to do. There are no statements and no arguments, there is here and now, awareness of the fact that i am talking to you right now. Making a statement about this is contradicting to the concept of karma itself, so since i don't need to make it, i have no reason to make it. That's the reason behind her uncertainty. It's a way of talking that shows her beliefs.

It's how you interpret the statement. Some people do think it's a second chance. We're discussing a subject that can be related to religion here, people interpret it exactly the way they like to. 'God hates fags' and 'kill infidels for Allah' are statements that many people say not to be true, however, there's also enough people that consider these a fact. Religion is interpreted the way people want to, it's merely a tool to control people with anyways, there's tons of flavors, all depending on what the starter of the religion intended to get done.

I agree 100% with what you said. The interpretation changes, and how we interpret something shows who we are. Yes, i also believe that religion is a tool to control, but karma is not a religion. Is a million things but not a religion. Maybe it is traditionally connected to Hinduism and Buddhism, but i don't believe in any religion, yet my belief in karma is unbreakable.

And also here, it all depends on how it's interpreted. If you tell this to someone that is dedicated to the nazi religion (Esoteric Hitlerism), they will punish you for blasphemy. To them, what Hitler did, was completely necessary so that the Aryan race could regain the lands what once was theirs.

I agree with this also. For them it was completely necessary and that's why they did it. They had a reason to do it. In the same way, i have a reason to think it was monstrous.

 

[Chavez]

I believe we have an idiosyncratic reaction here. Personally, I think karma is eccentric behavior, just like how some people develop the habit of performing a certain action while having the idea it might give them luck. Reasons for this is because it perfectly applies to the properties of such behavior. Also, religion can in fact relate to this topic, as it sometimes derives from such behavior patterns.

 

[-Anna-]

Doesn't sound very solid there. I only take things for real when they are.

Ok another way for you to undertand.Karma does not necessarily mean past actions. It embraces both past and present deeds. Hence in one sense, we are the result of what we were; we will be the result of what we are. In another sense, it should be added, we are not totally the result of what we were; we will not absolutely be the result of what we are. The present is no doubt the offspring of the past and is the present of the future, but the present is not always a true index of either the past or the future; so complex is the working of Karma.

It is this doctrine of Karma that the mother teaches her child when she says "Be good and you will be happy and we will love you; but if you are bad, you will be unhappy and we will not love you." In short, Karma is the law of cause and effect in the ethical realm.

 

[Ryu-kun]

@_@im getting more confuse now >.<

 

[Rei]

I believe we have an idiosyncratic reaction here. Personally, I think karma is eccentric behavior, just like how some people develop the habit of performing a certain action while having the idea it might give them luck. Reasons for this is because it perfectly applies to the properties of such behavior. Also, religion can in fact relate to this topic, as it sometimes derives from such behavior patterns.

The embodiment of our beliefs is not eccentric behavior. Is the way we choose to live our lives, meaning that the way someone talks or even dresses represents who he really is.
You may choose to see this as an eccentric behavior, but that's only how you choose to see this. For me, your opinion, makes no difference.
Also feeling the need of always speaking out loud your opinions and argue by denying everything you can't see, for me is eccentric behavior. But again this is only how i choose to see this. For you, my opinion makes no difference.
You can call this a behavior pattern, but it doesn't change the fact that it's just the point of view that creates the pattern, not the belief itself.

 

[Chavez]

Ok another way for you to undertand.Karma does not necessarily mean past actions. It embraces both past and present deeds. Hence in one sense, we are the result of what we were; we will be the result of what we are. In another sense, it should be added, we are not totally the result of what we were; we will not absolutely be the result of what we are. The present is no doubt the offspring of the past and is the present of the future, but the present is not always a true index of either the past or the future; so complex is the working of Karma.

It is this doctrine of Karma that the mother teaches her child when she says "Be good and you will be happy and we will love you; but if you are bad, you will be unhappy and we will not love you." In short, Karma is the law of cause and effect in the ethical realm.

Which is your point of view, and I have yet to see anything that can support this theory.

 

[Chavez]

The embodiment of our beliefs is not eccentric behavior. Is the way we choose to live our lives, meaning that the way someone talks or even dresses represents who he really is.
You may choose to see this as an eccentric behavior, but that's only how you choose to see this. For me, your opinion, makes no difference.
Also feeling the need of always speaking out loud your opinions and argue by denying everything you can't see, for me is eccentric behavior. But again this is only how i choose to see this. For you, my opinion makes no difference.
You can call this a behavior pattern, but it doesn't change the fact that it's just the point of view that creates the pattern, not the belief itself.

You failed to see the reason behind my opinion though. Let me state it once again:

"eccentricity refers to unusual or odd behavior on the part of an individual. This behavior would typically be perceived as unusual or unnecessary, without being demonstrably maladaptive. Eccentricity is contrasted with "normal" behavior, the nearly universal means by which individuals in society solve given problems and pursue certain priorities in everyday life."

Your opinion doesn't change mine because you have yet to come with arguments that support your opinions. You can't just think of something just because you want to, and on top of that, expect everyone to understand/tolerate it.

 

[Kiwii]

@_@im getting more confuse now >.<

Don't Spam, don't post, don't breath, because we couldn't care less about your messed up mind.

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It's not like that, and the simply fact you said that proves that your unfaith on solid arguments it's not the right way to see life.

We don't deny everything we don't see. Because if we did, we wouln't question anything. We try to study and understand what's around us so we can cultivate ourselves.

 

[Rei]

You failed to see the reason behind my opinion though. Let me state it once again:

"eccentricity refers to unusual or odd behavior on the part of an individual. This behavior would typically be perceived as unusual or unnecessary, without being demonstrably maladaptive. Eccentricity is contrasted with "normal" behavior, the nearly universal means by which individuals in society solve given problems and pursue certain priorities in everyday life."

Your opinion doesn't change mine because you have yet to come with arguments that support your opinions. You can't just think of something just because you want to, and on top of that, expect everyone to understand/tolerate it.

No, you failed to get my point. I don't have to come with arguments to support my opinions because I don't need to. In fact, I can just think of something because I want to and on top of that, expect everyone to respect it, as I don't give to anyone the power of "tolerating" my beliefs.

Trying to persuade you that i am not eccentric would need me to admit that i am or not am something, and i have no intention of labeling myself and on top of that for someone else.

"Eccentricity is contrasted with "normal" behavior" you say, but what makes my "behavior pattern" eccentric in your eyes exactly? And who is the one who 's gonna decide what is normal and what is not? It won't be me and it won't be you, so that's why i said its just the view of things that changes, the things remain the same.

 

[Rei]

Don't Spam, don't post, don't breath, because we couldn't care less about your messed up mind.



It's not like that, and the simply fact you said that proves that your unfaith on solid arguments it's not the right way to see life.

We don't deny everything we don't see. Because if we did, we wouln't question anything. We try to study and understand what's around us so we can cultivate ourselves.

all good but can you please tell me who are "we" you mention there?

 

[Chavez]

No, you failed to get my point. I don't have to come with arguments to support my opinions because I don't need to. In fact, I can just think of something because I want to and on top of that, expect everyone to respect it, as I don't give to anyone the power of "tolerating" my beliefs.

That's no way of discussing topics. If you want to make a statement and let everyone know where you stand, you should do it correctly and use material which others can respond to.

Trying to persuade you that i am not eccentric would need me to admit that i am or not am something, and i have no intention of labeling myself and on top of that for someone else.

I rather see it as identification, it's not possible to discuss something without knowing where people stand and what group they belong to.

"Eccentricity is contrasted with "normal" behavior" you say, but what makes my "behavior pattern" eccentric in your eyes exactly? And who is the one who 's gonna decide what is normal and what is not? It won't be me and it won't be you, so that's why i said its just the view of things that changes, the things remain the same.

The behavior pattern applies to the properties of eccentric behavior. It's not common for people to act like that (you can't deny it's a realistic statistic), so technically it applies to eccentric behavior quite well.

 

[-Anna-]

Which is your point of view, and I have yet to see anything that can support this theory.

Karma is action, and Vipaka, fruit or result, is its reaction.

According to the seed that?s sown,
So is the fruit you reap there from,
Doer of good will gather good,
Doer of evil, evil reaps,
Down is the seed and thou shalt taste
The fruit thereof.

I "do" seriously post this tread and fight for what I believe....What is my fruit, A good conversation from a smart people like yourself.

 

[Kiro]

no.....

 

[Devlin]

Karma is action, and Vipaka, fruit or result, is its reaction.

According to the seed that?s sown,
So is the fruit you reap there from,
Doer of good will gather good,
Doer of evil, evil reaps,
Down is the seed and thou shalt taste
The fruit thereof.

I "do" seriously post this tread and fight for what I believe....What is my fruit, A good conversation from a smart people like yourself.

You seem to like putting quotes from other people but not making a statement of your own half the time. I can say ''every action has a reaction'', this doesn't mean it becomes a religion/belief and that its set in stone and definite to happen is it?Just because I say it?Its an opinion,thats what karma is someones opinion not proof,not definite to happen. Thats what chavez is saying its an eccentric belief based on someones opinion on life,not prooven with facts and never can be. You are argueing an opinion that someone made about life & the after life.

 

[Rei]

That's no way of discussing topics. If you want to make a statement and let everyone know where you stand, you should do it correctly and use material which others can respond to.

I am giving you material. I explained to you as simpler as i could what karma is, i told you that a person who believes in karma will never make solid arguments about anything, as the purpose is to be you and to flow, earth turning all around you but you remaining as strong as a rock wherever you stand. I can't expect a response to this, since your point of view is to find you truth out there, when i state that the truth is within. That's where i stand, also that's an aspect of karma. But you either want me to convince you of the rightness of my points or the opposite. And i again told you, that won't happen, cause on one hand it's impossible for you to change my beliefs and on the other hand i am not interested in changing yours. It's -again- a point of view. I have no interest of changing your beliefs cause to do that I would have to state my own, and i will not do that cause i would again label myself. I don't care what i think or what every other person on the planet thinks, i care only for the fact that i am here and now and there's a reason behind that.

I rather see it as identification, it's not possible to discuss something without knowing where people stand and what group they belong to.

I told you where i stand. Also i belong in my group which consists only of me. In fact, i strongly disagree with any type of groups since they eliminate the originality of every member and make people unite under the flag of common opinions/beliefs, which in my opinion is stupid cause it's self labeling.

The behavior pattern applies to the properties of eccentric behavior. It's not common for people to act like that (you can't deny it's a realistic statistic), so technically it applies to eccentric behavior quite well.

So just because not many people do it, it's eccentric? That is your argument? If that's the case, I couldn't be prouder for being "eccentric" as it at least makes my originality and specialty -the one all people have-show even more than "normal".

 

[Devlin]

You have no solid evidence, what gives the word its definition?For something to have a definition it must have some solidarity no?If so there would be no such word as karma and the word would mean nothing?But the fact you cannot bring a good arguement to proove this, it just makes any statement made from there forth fall apart. Its not just an opinion from what you are saying? If i'm correct it is a belief/religion (as you put it), idolizing a word which has no definitive proof to its being? Believing in something that is not definite, not set in stone and no actual proof that it happens.It is an opinion that if you haven't learnt lifes lessons you have a bad next life etc...etc.. but I refer back to my statement earlier about the afterlife. And I would like to see you present an arguement to dis proove it, the fact is people are more likely to believe it as they can relate to it rather than something that could/could not happen. It is something to scare you into being a good person...it hasn't been prooven that you come back as another person.

 

[Rei]

You seem to like putting quotes from other people but not making a statement of your own half the time. I can say ''every action has a reaction'', this doesn't mean it becomes a religion/belief and that its set in stone and definite to happen is it?Just because I say it?Its an opinion,thats what karma is someones opinion not proof,not definite to happen. Thats what chavez is saying its an eccentric belief based on someones opinion on life,not prooven with facts and never can be. You are argueing an opinion that someone made about life & the after life.

And you are here repeating an opinion that only labels people and calls them eccentric just because they have a different opinion than you. For me what is completely eccentric is that you need facts to see and believe in what is within you. I could label you also now, but i really don't want to repeat the same mistakes. It's bad for the karma.

 

[Devlin]

And you are here repeating an opinion that only labels people and calls them eccentric just because they have a different opinion than you. For me what is completely eccentric is that you need facts to see and believe in what is within you. I could label you also now, but i really don't want to repeat the same mistakes. It's bad for the karma.

I'm not repeating an opinion I'm reiliterating it actually explaining it in another context to understand.Karma is a spiritual state in which you physically come back as another person/being am I right?So it's not just something inside of you? So yes this is what I mean by facts,there is no proof that you physically come back no?Mistakes are there to be rectified and learnt from. And the last sentence well thats your opinion,again an opinion.

 

[Kiwii]

all good but can you please tell me who are "we" you mention there?

Me, Chavez and the people who share our opinions.
The ones you claim to deny everything they don't dee

 

[-Anna-]

I believe we have an idiosyncratic reaction here. Personally, I think karma is eccentric behavior, just like how some people develop the habit of performing a certain action while having the idea it might give them luck. Reasons for this is because it perfectly applies to the properties of such behavior. Also, religion can in fact relate to this topic, as it sometimes derives from such behavior patterns.

Its not true, I object I pursue certain priorities in everyday life and never consistently display benignly eccentric behavior. The individual's eccentric behavior is perceived to be the outward expression of his or her unique intelligence or creative impulse. Therefore Karma is not eccentric behavior, Its not madness.