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Well... do yah o,o

I've always believed in jhins but haven't had any sort of experiences with em but I do know some of my friends and family who have.

With black magic, I feel like a lot of people believe in that. I have a friend who started having random seizures and le family said someone sent a Jhin to him. Didn't believe it at first but then I went with him somewhere and he was shaking his head like crazy and yelling at home :(

Also my brother in law told me about le ghost sort of thing in Fiji. Said when you're driving at night in this certain road, you see this little girl. He said to drive past her and not stop or you gone fam.

I've got some family members who have had experiences but I'm lazy af .
 

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I think the word you mean is jinn and its the muslim word for demons. And black magic being the practice of calling on demons to do various things for you in some cultures they believe they are calling on spirits.

And yes I personally believe in both from a religious perspective and some personal experience. I don't believe in ghosts where humans spirits still roam earth but I do believe that devils live amongst us and influence everyday life for people.

If you want a story a couple years back maybe even a decade back I was watching a YouTube video of an exorcism in some middle eastern 3rd world country. What was noteworthy about it was when they were doing the exorcism the guys voice changed into this creepy female non human voice best way I could describe it is it sounded like a witches voice but just not human you hear the voice its something a person shouldnt sound like you would need the help up of tech to sound remotely similar just hearing the guy talk like that freaked me out.

I have a couple more personal stories but that one just really freaked me out. You would actually be pretty surprised how many people they know have stories of supernatural encounters.
 

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I think the word you mean is jinn and its the muslim word for demons. And black magic being the practice of calling on demons to do various things for you in some cultures they believe they are calling on spirits.

And yes I personally believe in both from a religious perspective and some personal experience. I don't believe in ghosts where humans spirits still roam earth but I do believe that devils live amongst us and influence everyday life for people.

If you want a story a couple years back maybe even a decade back I was watching a YouTube video of an exorcism in some middle eastern 3rd world country. What was noteworthy about it was when they were doing the exorcism the guys voice changed into this creepy female non human voice best way I could describe it is it sounded like a witches voice but just not human you hear the voice its something a person shouldnt sound like you would need the help up of tech to sound remotely similar just hearing the guy talk like that freaked me out.

I have a couple more personal stories but that one just really freaked me out. You would actually be pretty surprised how many people they know have stories of supernatural encounters.
I must be playing too much league there's a champ named Jhin >_<

I had a similar experience to that last one. Someone was doing these duas at my relatives house and bought in my cousin. A few minutes later I hear some random girl crying with a completely different voice.
I got tested as well but nothing on me back then.
 
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No, I do not. As far as I'm concern people act like someone possessed them, are

A) have psychological/mental problems and misunderstood. Sometimes the whole "exorcism" ritual may cure their psychological needs but that's all.

B) Pretending outright to con.

And I have seen the second category a little too much. There was a Muslim majar/grave near my home. I don't know even if someone was indeed buried there or if it was a human. Just that some of the Muslim community started treating it as such and even celebrating "urs" there- which was clearly a sham. There was no way to know anything about what was in there, let alone who to celebrate anything about his/her/it.

(- My grandma said when the area was colonized there was only a dirt grave there. No one bothered to check but it was said that it was some pet, of the previous owner, buried there. But then a neighbour took upon himself to get it tiled. She even complained that that neighbor actually used the material and labour she had brought to build our family home, in her absence and got them to do so. -_-)

But whatever the back ground, I saw it's growing popularity over the years. People from other areas, used to ask me if I ever "saw" something when they got to know location of my home. Some would act impressed when they realized I regularly passed by that grave, alone, way after sun set, or sometimes at night.

I never saw anything supernatural. Not even if I went on my roof after midnight to stare down at that grave. It was only few feet away from our boundary.

But, I saw people brought there for exorcism and the whole drama a few times. Once public went away the girl who used to get "possessed" in front of the crowd and the custodian fought over money. Then she was changed. A few times I saw some poor idiot bringing there really sick child to get cured and getting the ritualistic drama taking place. I remember pitying those kids and felt like yelling at the parent to take that kid to a doc instead.

Not that I did anything. It was a Hindu majority area and the grave was being handled by Muslims. My grandma told me to shut up, keep to myself and ignore the ruckus that took place there on Thursday nights. I was told poking my head in it, or making any comments, would resolve nothing but might start riots.

That was from my childhood.

Another drama I saw a few years ago was at a temple. I had went to visit a local temple with a friend. Her brother was getting married and she wanted to consult the priest regarding it. While we were waiting for our turn, there was a family- a woman with young adults and one of them was a problem. He was making faces and acting agitated. And then suddenly started acting as what locals say possession by a spirit and started making demands.

No, I didn't buy even iota of the ruckus. His drama started right before our turn- a severe annoyance. I can bet the priest didn't buy it either, though he was mild in hinting that and mostly entertained him. He clearly didn't want to call out his bluff more openly to avoid any serious altercation, or loss of clients. The guy contitnued acting very aggressively and violently for 20 minutes or more. Priest tried to downplay the tantrum and get things back on track but it clearly affected the crowed. My friend and I watched the drama from very near but backed out ( later we left without consulting as well. She wanted to set a date for wedding but she got it later.)

I just felt that a good old spanking and locking him up in basement for a week on bread salt and water, would have exorcised the spirits away from him, just right. For life. His mother was buying his whole shit, and lamenting that her husband didn't. His brother seemed neutral. Husband clearly had opted out and hadn't accompanied them. And from what I gathered from mom's wailing and rants, husband knew his son better and mom was too gullible.

It was however a temple in outer side of the city and in an area where a lot of such women came, it seemed. The incident totally divided the crowd in two. The ones likes us were backing off and letting 'believers in that shit' take space in front. They were so attentive to whatever crap the youngster was sprouting with a mix of fear and awe. The priest talked and calmed him down and told the woman to get a ceremonial puja her son was demanding among other things, get done at her home. She went away complaining how she would have to get her husband to understand. I felt priest thought it was husband's problem anyway. :sneaky:

As Christians are fewer here, I never witnessed any Christian drama over it outside of videos.. closest, I can do is to quote Ruskin Bond on it- In one of his books, he mentioned tales of ghosts in Mussorrie- he said that although British were there in smaller number and mostly left India, all the local Ghosts he heard about, were Brits. He theorized ( half in jest) that either Brits living there were very restless, or the cremation ceremony held by majority is more final and complete and ghosts aren't left behind.
 

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No, I do not. As far as I'm concern people act like someone possessed them, are

A) have psychological/mental problems and misunderstood. Sometimes the whole "exorcism" ritual may cure their psychological needs but that's all.

B) Pretending outright to con.

And I have seen the second category a little too much. ...
That was a good read. I guess people do fake it as well.

My mates one is defo not fake though, incoming short story with bad grammar.

My brother in law wanted to buy a car but it was around an hour drive to get to the buyer. I went with him cause were bois and he mentioned my friend from school would be going as well (neighbors). We went to eat first fijian style and in the car he was shaking his head up and down occasionally.

I found it suss but didnt say anything. He did it on the way as well and told the seller he was having seizures (Seller thought he was rapping for some reason ).. I took the car back with him and he was doing the same thing and said he wasn't feeling well.

Eventually told me to take him to this guy who deals with stuff to help him but he wasn't home.... my bro in law took him back.

It gets a lot worse but I dont want to talk about the lad in detail because its personal. Basically he stays in doors now and rarely leaves. Hes a cool guy but was told that one of his mates did something with his food... or his dad did something one of those two.
 
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That was a good read. I guess people do fake it as well.

My mates one is defo not fake though, incoming short story with bad grammar.

My brother in law wanted to buy a car but it was around an hour drive to get to the buyer. I went with him cause were bois and he mentioned my friend from school would be going as well (neighbors). We went to eat first fijian style and in the car he was shaking his head up and down occasionally.

I found it suss but didnt say anything. He did it on the way as well and told the seller he was having seizures (Seller thought he was rapping for some reason ).. I took the car back with him and he was doing the same thing and said he wasn't feeling well.

Eventually told me to take him to this guy who deals with stuff to help him but he wasn't home.... my bro in law took him back.

It gets a lot worse but I dont want to talk about the lad in detail because its personal. Basically he stays in doors now and rarely leaves. Hes a cool guy but was told that one of his mates did something with his food... or his dad did something one of those two.
I have heard about "did something to his food" thing here too... to be honest I think he still may need actual medical help from some neurologist. Finding the right medication for "YourType" of seizure/epilepsy may need a good specialist. The treatment may take years sometimes but should help in managing and curing it depending on the case.

Internet searches say some food or spices or chemicals used in it, can triggers seizures in some people. So your friend maybe partially right about noticing it after eating something, even though he didn't understand it completely.

Sometimes it maybe due to head injury/illness of some kind and may show up months after the initial injury. In one case I heard, patient was fallen as a child but the problem arose several month/year later. Or at least was noticed only after that time.
 
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I have heard about "did something to his food" thing here too... to be honest I think he still may need actual medical help from some neurologist. Finding the right medication for "YourType" of seizure/epilepsy may need a good specialist. The treatment may take years sometimes but should help in managing and curing it depending on the case.

Internet searches say some food or spices or chemicals used in it, can triggers seizures in some people. So your friend maybe partially right about noticing it after eating something, even though he didn't understand it completely.

Sometimes it maybe due to head injury/illness of some kind and may show up months after the initial injury. In one case I heard, patient was fallen as a child but the problem arose several month/year later. Or at least was noticed only after that time.
Might as well add the serious stuff in as well. Dudes been going crazy in the house as well and yelling at everyone
I have heard about "did something to his food" thing here too... to be honest I think he still may need actual medical help from some neurologist. Finding the right medication for "YourType" of seizure/epilepsy may need a good specialist. The treatment may take years sometimes but should help in managing and curing it depending on the case.

Internet searches say some food or spices or chemicals used in it, can triggers seizures in some people. So your friend maybe partially right about noticing it after eating something, even though he didn't understand it completely.

Sometimes it maybe due to head injury/illness of some kind and may show up months after the initial injury. In one case I heard, patient was fallen as a child but the problem arose several month/year later. Or at least was noticed only after that time.
Damn people getting seizures because of certain foods... that rough.

I'm not sure if hes seen a doctor. He kept saying he wanted to go to a certain country and actually went like a week ago (its been around 6-7ish months).

I just hope he gets better.

Also any opinions on the people sounding like someone else subject that Sagebee mentioned.

Ive got a lot of stories from my mates but I'm kiwi indian and my mates are Fiji Indians (always be trolling).

Some interesting things that I've heard though are your hairs will stand up occur near a jhin. I sorta had an experience like that.

Was with my bois doing some religous stuff hehe. I was weak af mentally back then, got triggered by this guy and walked out of this mosque at night (strutted outta there). I was lowkey kinda scared so was walking back, this taxi pulled over. Thos dude came out and all I can remember was he want a taxi driver and looked dodgy af and was just looking down.

I walked past and was sweating my ass off. First time I felt that way and i can still picture it. Back then I thought it was some jinn or possessed guy and I was shaking like crazy.

But yeh... was mostly likely a dodgy looking guy idk he was suss af, nothings made me shake like that....
 
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Might as well add the serious stuff in as well. Dudes been going crazy in the house as well and yelling at everyone

Damn people getting seizures because of certain foods... that rough.

I'm not sure if hes seen a doctor. He kept saying he wanted to go to a certain country and actually went like a week ago (its been around 6-7ish months).

I just hope he gets better.
He should consult a doctor, neurologist more specifically. Brain tumor, genetic illness, lack of oxygen to brain at some point for some reason, an stroke, blood sugar, head injury .. there maybe any of these reasons causing the episode. Alcohol, drugs, lack of sleep, depression etc can trigger it too. Doctor may or may not can pin point the cause and cure, but can tell how to manage it at least. And medications are to be taken properly.

I know someone who hasn't had a major seizure in years. Though some mild ones may occur and then they have to treat the symptoms to manage it. Ignoring medical attention is not good tough.

Also any opinions on the people sounding like someone else subject that Sagebee mentioned.
I haven't read his post yet.

Ive got a lot of stories from my mates but I'm kiwi indian and my mates are Fiji Indians (always be trolling).

Some interesting things that I've heard though are your hairs will stand up occur near a jhin. I sorta had an experience like that.

Was with my bois doing some religous stuff hehe. I was weak af mentally back then, got triggered by this guy and walked out of this mosque at night (strutted outta there). I was lowkey kinda scared so was walking back, this taxi pulled over. Thos dude came out and all I can remember was he want a taxi driver and looked dodgy af and was just looking down.

I walked past and was sweating my ass off. First time I felt that way and i can still picture it. Back then I thought it was some jinn or possessed guy and I was shaking like crazy.

But yeh... was mostly likely a dodgy looking guy idk he was suss af, nothings made me shake like that....
Sometimes we experience things in a group because of the whole atmosphere and we are in mindset to get along with it.. :D

I have a few times seen Ouija Board/calling spirit with it. At the time it moved too somehow. But frankly it makes little sense in retrospect. The questions we asked or the answers we got were pretty vague and we were filling the blanks more than actually anything we were being told.

A few years back I asked the expert guy who had lead the experiments I participated. He confessed that he suspected his sister was moving it with extra force and thus fooled us all or we fooled ourselves. She still talks about ghost sometimes. But I do not believe her tales anymore. I suspect at times she does it just to get people do things her way.
It was fun at the time though- at young age. Now we just shake our head at it.

I have personally lead a ghost seeking adventure once. It was an old relatively abandoned block at another corner of our school campus. There were rumours of a ghost living in one of the top rooms that was probably started by senior students to mess with younger ones. 15 of more of us 6th grade kids went there, to take a look at the ghost. It was on top stairs. Me along with two other friends, tried to peek though the glass window.

Old books, dust, some broken furniture in one corner. I think room was used as library initially, before they made one nearer to rest of the school building. I saw nothing. One of my friends pointed at something and asked what that was. Someone from behind us asked if it was the ghost. As soon as the ghost sighting was suggested some others screamed and everyone ran down. My friends too joined them. I was still curious and tried to locate the said ghost a few seconds longer. Realized rest of the girls were already reaching down and suddenly I felt scared now that I was alone and rushed back down too. Just in case one of them had really spotted something which could land me in trouble while I was being too stupid looking for it.

Turned out no one had seen anything. But we had scared each other enough that no one went back. Once in 9th grade I had to go there after a teacher asked me to do something. There was literally nothing but same old books, dust and broken furniture.

So yeah.. don't let such stories hinder you getting actual medical help in case of seizure etc.
 
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No, I do not. As far as I'm concern people act like someone possessed them, are

A) have psychological/mental problems and misunderstood. Sometimes the whole "exorcism" ritual may cure their psychological needs but that's all.

B) Pretending outright to con.

And I have seen the second category a little too much. There was a Muslim majar/grave near my home. I don't know even if someone was indeed buried there or if it was a human. Just that some of the Muslim community started treating it as such and even celebrating "urs" there- which was clearly a sham. There was no way to know anything about what was in there, let alone who to celebrate anything about his/her/it.

(- My grandma said when the area was colonized there was only a dirt grave there. No one bothered to check but it was said that it was some pet, of the previous owner, buried there. But then a neighbour took upon himself to get it tiled. She even complained that that neighbor actually used the material and labour she had brought to build our family home, in her absence and got them to do so. -_-)

But whatever the back ground, I saw it's growing popularity over the years. People from other areas, used to ask me if I ever "saw" something when they got to know location of my home. Some would act impressed when they realized I regularly passed by that grave, alone, way after sun set, or sometimes at night.

I never saw anything supernatural. Not even if I went on my roof after midnight to stare down at that grave. It was only few feet away from our boundary.

But, I saw people brought there for exorcism and the whole drama a few times. Once public went away the girl who used to get "possessed" in front of the crowd and the custodian fought over money. Then she was changed. A few times I saw some poor idiot bringing there really sick child to get cured and getting the ritualistic drama taking place. I remember pitying those kids and felt like yelling at the parent to take that kid to a doc instead.

Not that I did anything. It was a Hindu majority area and the grave was being handled by Muslims. My grandma told me to shut up, keep to myself and ignore the ruckus that took place there on Thursday nights. I was told poking my head in it, or making any comments, would resolve nothing but might start riots.

That was from my childhood.

Another drama I saw a few years ago was at a temple. I had went to visit a local temple with a friend. Her brother was getting married and she wanted to consult the priest regarding it. While we were waiting for our turn, there was a family- a woman with young adults and one of them was a problem. He was making faces and acting agitated. And then suddenly started acting as what locals say possession by a spirit and started making demands.

No, I didn't buy even iota of the ruckus. His drama started right before our turn- a severe annoyance. I can bet the priest didn't buy it either, though he was mild in hinting that and mostly entertained him. He clearly didn't want to call out his bluff more openly to avoid any serious altercation, or loss of clients. The guy contitnued acting very aggressively and violently for 20 minutes or more. Priest tried to downplay the tantrum and get things back on track but it clearly affected the crowed. My friend and I watched the drama from very near but backed out ( later we left without consulting as well. She wanted to set a date for wedding but she got it later.)

I just felt that a good old spanking and locking him up in basement for a week on bread salt and water, would have exorcised the spirits away from him, just right. For life. His mother was buying his whole shit, and lamenting that her husband didn't. His brother seemed neutral. Husband clearly had opted out and hadn't accompanied them. And from what I gathered from mom's wailing and rants, husband knew his son better and mom was too gullible.

It was however a temple in outer side of the city and in an area where a lot of such women came, it seemed. The incident totally divided the crowd in two. The ones likes us were backing off and letting 'believers in that shit' take space in front. They were so attentive to whatever crap the youngster was sprouting with a mix of fear and awe. The priest talked and calmed him down and told the woman to get a ceremonial puja her son was demanding among other things, get done at her home. She went away complaining how she would have to get her husband to understand. I felt priest thought it was husband's problem anyway. :sneaky:

As Christians are fewer here, I never witnessed any Christian drama over it outside of videos.. closest, I can do is to quote Ruskin Bond on it- In one of his books, he mentioned tales of ghosts in Mussorrie- he said that although British were there in smaller number and mostly left India, all the local Ghosts he heard about, were Brits. He theorized ( half in jest) that either Brits living there were very restless, or the cremation ceremony held by majority is more final and complete and ghosts aren't left behind.
Everything I am going to tell you is 100 % true and there is no single lie in it.
As man with college education I never believed in those things I always believed in simple laws of physics.
I never believed in those things , in demons curses and so. Because we cant explain existence of universe my opinion was maybe the God or some force does exist and he created the universe. But thats is I never believed in religion teachings , life after death , an so.

Cunning folk and black magic I always treated as fairy tails that non educated older people believed in, and all those people talk about them I treated as pure superstition. My first cousin and my best friend also shared same view on this just like I he is now at Medicine college.

But that changed when my 2 close family members went to one cunning woman . She lives in another country , she didnt know them and they didnt know her , they newer saw each other before. Yet that woman knew everything about them , their reason for coming , who are they , how many children they have , she knew everything , she even predicted death of their close friend.

Same thing happen before (But I didnt know about that, learned that only after event with cunning woman ) when my family member and his close friend visited some Muslim priest ( preacher I dont know what is word for them in English) in another city. Reason for their coming had nothing to do with him they come to try to buy some car parts. Yet the Muslim priest knew who they are and the reason of their coming , he knew exactly what they are searching which by all normal means should not be possible. They were shocked by that they looked at each other and decided to run away (not literally but they decided to leave as quickly as possible).


Another thing is man that can talk with snakes , somehow communicate with them , I know this sounds crazy but this is fact and well known in city where he live. In our Slavic old tales there is actually tale about man who is able to talk with snakes. Of course I believed it was pure nonsense . But when my cousins close friend got bitten by snake he was sent to that guy . That guy knew exactly what happen , time , place and fact that he killed the snake after bite. Later my relatives learned about that man and that thing was actually when known. If you think its nonsense you should know that city hospital when someone is bitten by snake dont provide treatment to pacient , instead they send you to that guy and he is the one curing you.

Now I asked my cousin who lives there and had school practice in that hospital is that really true , he said yes hospital will send you there to that guy. I mean its not just superstition its well known fact , why would hospital believe in some superstitions and risk the life of people , but its reality that man can somehow communicate with snakes and he will heal you.

My cousin and I had discussion about all thing I wrote I asked him " you do realise this go against everything you and I believe , against laws of physics " . He said yes I do but all this is true.

I know everything I mentioned is true ( there is no single lie in it ) all of this kinda frightens me so know I have different opinion on all those matters. Of course they are many frauds and liars so its hard to make distinction between what is true and fake.
 
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Everything I am going to tell you is 100 % true and there is no single lie in it.
As man with college education I never believed in those things I always believed in simple laws of physics.
I never believed in those things , in demons curses and so. Because we cant explain existence of universe my opinion was maybe the God or some force does exist and he created the universe. But thats is I never believed in religion teachings , life after death , an so.

Cunning folk and black magic I always treated as fairy tails that non educated older people believed in, and all those people talk about them I treated as pure superstition. My first cousin and my best friend also shared same view on this just like I he is now at Medicine college.

But that changed when my 2 close family members went to one cunning woman . She lives in another country , she didnt know them and they didnt know her , they newer saw each other before. Yet that woman knew everything about them , their reason for coming , who are they , how many children they have , she knew everything , she even predicted death of their close friend.
Same thing happen before (But I didnt know about that, learned that only after event with cunning woman ) when my family member and his close friend visited some Muslim priest ( preacher I dont know what is word for them in English) in another city. Reason for their coming had nothing to do with him they come to try to buy some car parts. Yet the Muslim priest knew who they are and the reason of their coming , he knew exactly what they are searching which by all normal means should not be possible. They were shocked by that they looked at each other and decided to run away (not literally but they decided to leave as quickly as possible).
Been there, done that, noticed the leading questions. Most such "magicians/priests" are extremely good at reading body language, facial expression, local knowledge and picking on other clues to play Sherlock Homes with you. It may seem like they knew it all but mostly they are guessing.

There was this guy in my uncles' city who used to read raw rice grains. Basically you were supposed to put a handful of rice grains in tiny cloth bag or tie it up in handkerchief, keeping your question in mind and put it below you pillow. Then send it to the guy and he would reply. My mom once sent such a rice bag to the guy. My uncle went to him and put it in front of him. Uncle didn't say anything. The guy however described the location in question and sent back the answer. But then I know only what I heard. And the answer barely helped in the problem. Just consoled mom.

We do not call it black magic or even magic. But a kind of sidhhi- that some people develop that kind of sense. Yet again, they mostly reply yes and no questions, and usually just calm down your worries.

I have even gotten my astrological chart and predictions. Some of the things said in turned out to be too accurate. And yet a lot of it didn't. There are schools here which treat it as a science and you can get your degree. People consult them too, especially when they are troubled.

The way people go to talk to a psychologist in west, here people go to an astrologist. I know someone who used to get very nervous before exams and her mom got tired of consoling her herself. She started taking her to an old astrologer priest. He would look her chart up and told her she was doing just fine though she must keep working to keep the stars aligned. It was still she who was supposed to study and of course if you do, you would do just fine. But it helped her in getting over her nervousness.

Another thing is man that can talk with snakes , somehow communicate with them , I know this sounds crazy but this is fact and well known in city where he live. In our Slavic old tales there is actually tale about man who is able to talk with snakes. Of course I believed it was pure nonsense . But when my cousins close friend got bitten by snake he was sent to that guy . That guy knew exactly what happen , time , place and fact that he killed the snake after bite. Later my relatives learned about that man and that thing was actually when known. If you think its nonsense you should know that city hospital when someone is bitten by snake dont provide treatment to pacient , instead they send you to that guy and he is the one curing you.

Now I asked my cousin who lives there and had school practice in that hospital is that really true , he said yes hospital will send you there to that guy. I mean its not just superstition its well known fact , why would hospital believe in some superstitions and risk the life of people , but its reality that man can somehow communicate with snakes and he will heal you.

My cousin and I had discussion about all thing I wrote I asked him " you do realise this go against everything you and I believe , against laws of physics " . He said yes I do but all this is true.

I know everything I mentioned is true ( there is no single lie in it ) all of this kinda frightens me so know I have different opinion on all those matters. Of course they are many frauds and liars so its hard to make distinction between what is true and fake.
World is a small place... I don't know Salvic tales but coming from a country which was called snake charmers, I have heard too many of these too. As a youngster have watched what they called snake dancing on been tune too.

Yes traditional snake charmers can be experts on snake bites in particular regions and know more about it than normal doctors and may have traditional medicines at hand accordingly.

As for talking snakes can feel your vibrations. If you stay calm, they follow suit. If you mean harm, they also put on their defensive. That's the only kind of communication ongoing.
 

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No, I do not. As far as I'm concern people act like someone possessed them, are

A) have psychological/mental problems and misunderstood. Sometimes the whole "exorcism" ritual may cure their psychological needs but that's all.

B) Pretending outright to con.

And I have seen the second category a little too much. There was a Muslim majar/grave near my home. I don't know even if someone was indeed buried there or if it was a human. Just that some of the Muslim community started treating it as such and even celebrating "urs" there- which was clearly a sham. There was no way to know anything about what was in there, let alone who to celebrate anything about his/her/it.

(- My grandma said when the area was colonized there was only a dirt grave there. No one bothered to check but it was said that it was some pet, of the previous owner, buried there. But then a neighbour took upon himself to get it tiled. She even complained that that neighbor actually used the material and labour she had brought to build our family home, in her absence and got them to do so. -_-)

But whatever the back ground, I saw it's growing popularity over the years. People from other areas, used to ask me if I ever "saw" something when they got to know location of my home. Some would act impressed when they realized I regularly passed by that grave, alone, way after sun set, or sometimes at night.

I never saw anything supernatural. Not even if I went on my roof after midnight to stare down at that grave. It was only few feet away from our boundary.

But, I saw people brought there for exorcism and the whole drama a few times. Once public went away the girl who used to get "possessed" in front of the crowd and the custodian fought over money. Then she was changed. A few times I saw some poor idiot bringing there really sick child to get cured and getting the ritualistic drama taking place. I remember pitying those kids and felt like yelling at the parent to take that kid to a doc instead.

Not that I did anything. It was a Hindu majority area and the grave was being handled by Muslims. My grandma told me to shut up, keep to myself and ignore the ruckus that took place there on Thursday nights. I was told poking my head in it, or making any comments, would resolve nothing but might start riots.

That was from my childhood.

Another drama I saw a few years ago was at a temple. I had went to visit a local temple with a friend. Her brother was getting married and she wanted to consult the priest regarding it. While we were waiting for our turn, there was a family- a woman with young adults and one of them was a problem. He was making faces and acting agitated. And then suddenly started acting as what locals say possession by a spirit and started making demands.

No, I didn't buy even iota of the ruckus. His drama started right before our turn- a severe annoyance. I can bet the priest didn't buy it either, though he was mild in hinting that and mostly entertained him. He clearly didn't want to call out his bluff more openly to avoid any serious altercation, or loss of clients. The guy contitnued acting very aggressively and violently for 20 minutes or more. Priest tried to downplay the tantrum and get things back on track but it clearly affected the crowed. My friend and I watched the drama from very near but backed out ( later we left without consulting as well. She wanted to set a date for wedding but she got it later.)

I just felt that a good old spanking and locking him up in basement for a week on bread salt and water, would have exorcised the spirits away from him, just right. For life. His mother was buying his whole shit, and lamenting that her husband didn't. His brother seemed neutral. Husband clearly had opted out and hadn't accompanied them. And from what I gathered from mom's wailing and rants, husband knew his son better and mom was too gullible.

It was however a temple in outer side of the city and in an area where a lot of such women came, it seemed. The incident totally divided the crowd in two. The ones likes us were backing off and letting 'believers in that shit' take space in front. They were so attentive to whatever crap the youngster was sprouting with a mix of fear and awe. The priest talked and calmed him down and told the woman to get a ceremonial puja her son was demanding among other things, get done at her home. She went away complaining how she would have to get her husband to understand. I felt priest thought it was husband's problem anyway. :sneaky:

As Christians are fewer here, I never witnessed any Christian drama over it outside of videos.. closest, I can do is to quote Ruskin Bond on it- In one of his books, he mentioned tales of ghosts in Mussorrie- he said that although British were there in smaller number and mostly left India, all the local Ghosts he heard about, were Brits. He theorized ( half in jest) that either Brits living there were very restless, or the cremation ceremony held by majority is more final and complete and ghosts aren't left behind.
I do think that even if you believe in it you should also seek professional medical help to see what's wrong with a person. Also theres definite liars seeking attention or something else but I think when people just assume all cases are fabricated by liars or crazy people limits people understanding what goes on in life and various things people experience.
 

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I do think that even if you believe in it you should also seek professional medical help to see what's wrong with a person. Also theres definite liars seeking attention or something else but I think when people just assume all cases are fabricated by liars or crazy people limits people understanding what goes on in life and various things people experience.
As I mentioned- I have tried a lot of these things first hand or know someone who did thanks to long lists of relatives and population in general.

People do not have to be liars or crazy to believe in such things. But our fears or readiness to believe, sometimes make us ignore the contrary evidence or contradictions.
 
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As I mentioned- I have tried a lot of these things first hand or know someone who did thanks to long lists of relatives and population in general.

People do not have to be liars or crazy to believe in such things. But our fears or readiness to believe, sometimes make us ignore the contrary evidence or contradictions.
Theres definitely people that want to believe in these type of situations or simple cases of tricks of perception but to assume that's how all cases are just limits you to what can be out there in life.
 

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Theres definitely people that want to believe in these type of situations or simple cases of tricks of perception but to assume that's how all cases are just limits you to what can be out there in life.
Super natural won't be supernatural if it cannot cross that limit and reach me anyway. Isn't that the idea behind it being "Super narutal"?

If their is a spirit/ghost/satan ever, how my disbelief will negate it? How come it's existence and power is weaker than my "disbelief?
 
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Been there, done that, noticed the leading questions. Most such "magicians/priests" are extremely good at reading body language, facial expression, local knowledge and picking on other clues to play Sherlock Homes with you. It may seem like they knew it all but mostly they are guessing.

There was this guy in my uncles' city who used to read raw rice grains. Basically you were supposed to put a handful of rice grains in tiny cloth bag or tie it up in handkerchief, keeping your question in mind and put it below you pillow. Then send it to the guy and he would reply. My mom once sent such a rice bag to the guy. My uncle went to him and put it in front of him. Uncle didn't say anything. The guy however described the location in question and sent back the answer. But then I know only what I heard. And the answer barely helped in the problem. Just consoled mom.

We do not call it black magic or even magic. But a kind of sidhhi- that some people develop that kind of sense. Yet again, they mostly reply yes and no questions, and usually just calm down your worries.

I have even gotten my astrological chart and predictions. Some of the things said in turned out to be too accurate. And yet a lot of it didn't. There are schools here which treat it as a science and you can get your degree. People consult them too, especially when they are troubled.

The way people go to talk to a psychologist in west, here people go to an astrologist. I know someone who used to get very nervous before exams and her mom got tired of consoling her herself. She started taking her to an old astrologer priest. He would look her chart up and told her she was doing just fine though she must keep working to keep the stars aligned. It was still she who was supposed to study and of course if you do, you would do just fine. But it helped her in getting over her nervousness.



World is a small place... I don't know Salvic tales but coming from a country which was called snake charmers, I have heard too many of these too. As a youngster have watched what they called snake dancing on been tune too.

Yes traditional snake charmers can be experts on snake bites in particular regions and know more about it than normal doctors and may have traditional medicines at hand accordingly.

As for talking snakes can feel your vibrations. If you stay calm, they follow suit. If you mean harm, they also put on their defensive. That's the only kind of communication ongoing.
I didnt want to go deep with questions regarding cunning woman so not sure about that but event with Muslim priest had nothing to do with reading body language , facial expresions and guessing . Those 2 were in used cars and their parts business. They were traveling to another city and decided to visit other owners of used cars and their parts. Just like you stop by in other city and visit some local stores more like browsing without some clear intention. In this case they wanted to see offer and maybe see if they had specific gear box ( dont remember which car) . That priest was there (some his relative , maybe son or brothers son was owner) and the moment they arrived before they made any verbal contact with anyone there he told them " you two who came for gear box there is one right there". They never said their intentions to owner by phone or anything so that priest in no way possible could know they were looking for that specific gear box.

He didnt guess and make assumption he simply somehow knew that was his first words . Thats why they were shocked and decided to leave.

As for man speaking with snakes its not fact that he heals you ( he says he simply uses snake venom to create cure) that is in question here , its fact that when you call him by phone (asking to see is he home and can you come) he knows when snake bite you , place where bite occured , body part where you got bitten , if you d kill it he knows exactly that you killed it , he would be the one who brings that up saying that you did not have to kill here.

And he is not guessing what happen he says like I know you just got bitten there in that place and so. Him knowing what happen is part people cant believe its possible. He knows all that because he can somehow speak with them, he can summon them to come .

Edit : I forgot to say very important thing, that he exactly knows which type of snake bite you, is it venomus or not he would even tell you by phone there is no reason for you to come snake is not venomus. This is not guessing my friend he didnt even see you but he knows which snake bite you and do you need treatment and cure.

I would like you to explain how he knows all this just by speaking you with phone without seeing you , how he knows which snake bite and do you need cure or not and how is he always right and never wrong.
 
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I didnt want to go deep with questions regarding cunning woman so not sure about that but event with Muslim priest had nothing to do with reading body language , facial expresions and guessing . Those 2 were in used cars and their parts business. They were traveling to another city and decided to visit other owners of used cars and their parts. Just like you stop by in other city and visit some local stores more like browsing without some clear intention. In this case they wanted to see offer and maybe see if they had specific gear box ( dont remember which car) . That priest was there (some his relative , maybe son or brothers son was owner) and the moment they arrived before they made any verbal contact with anyone there he told them " you two who came for gear box there is one right there". They never said their intentions to owner by phone or anything so that priest in no way possible could know they were looking for that specific gear box.

He didnt guess and make assumption he simply somehow knew that was his first words . Thats why they were shocked and decided to leave.

As for man speaking with snakes its not fact that he heals you ( he says he simply uses snake venom to create cure) that is in question here , its fact that when you call him by phone (asking to see is he home and can you come) he knows when snake bite you , place where bite occured , body part where you got bitten , if you d kill it he knows exactly that you killed it , he would be the one who brings that up saying that you did not have to kill here.

And he is not guessing what happen he says like I know you just got bitten there in that place and so. Him knowing what happen is part people cant believe its possible. He knows all that because he can somehow speak with them, he can summon them to come .

Edit : I forgot to say very important thing, that he exactly knows which type of snake bite you, is it venomus or not he would even tell you by phone there is no reason for you to come snake is not venomus. This is not guessing my friend he didnt even see you but he knows which snake bite you and do you need treatment and cure.

I would like you to explain how he knows all this just by speaking you with phone without seeing you , how he knows which snake bite and do you need cure or not and how is he always right and never wrong.
This simply needs more data and range check, you know. We hear these stories and I'm neutral on it till I meet one.
 

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Super natural won't be supernatural if it cannot cross that limit and reach me anyway. Isn't that the idea behind it being "Super narutal"?

If their is a spirit/ghost/satan ever, how my disbelief will negate it? How come it's existence and power is weaker than my "disbelief?
I'm just saying dont assume all cases are false if theres alot that are or you haven't experienced it yourself.

Also supernatural is just a term used with phenomons reported by religions or cultural folklore. Belief in aliens is believed to be rational that intelligent life is out there to think that intelligent life that we cant readily perceive doesn't exist since you havent perceived it is just as illogical as those who chose to believe it with no basis.
 

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This simply needs more data and range check, you know. We hear these stories and I'm neutral on it till I meet one.
True I myself would like to not believe in this ,but here I must, those people are close to me and would not lie about this.

Regarding snake guy just too many people claiming same story about his ability to know what exactly happen by which snake. YOu cant simply tell man by phone not to come and worry snake was not venomus and you are always right. It cant be coincidence . I am logically forced to believe in it despite something like this exisitng goes against logic in first place.
 
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