Saying religion commits these killings is illogical. It's the person's actions that does what they want, everyone has their own will. And can do what they darn right want to, so don't blame religion for people that slip and alter the original.
Beliefs inform actions. If these people weren't religious, then they wouldn't be committing these acts of violence as instructed by their religion.
If Muslims refused to listen to the scriptures at the time Islam was preached, people would be still worshiping superstition, committing bloody tributes, immoral acts and practicing and relying on alcohol and intoxicants to pass their days.
What? The scriptures say things like 'Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.' And 'O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people.' Let's not forget 'O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.' My favorite 'Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme'
You're one of those people who cherry pick the verses that support your version of secular morality, and then throws out everything that goes against it, like the violence and the hatred. But you see, there are people who don't do what you do. They look at the bible or the Quran as the complete and infallible word of god/allah. And because of this religious view, they do things that the bible/Quran tells them to do, like 'Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.'
Religion does not make the person do irrational things, the person seeks what the mind wants, and bearing a strong will will determine the actions one commits to.
I'll say it again: Beliefs inform actions. People don't refuse to give their sick children medical attention because they are fringe lunatics or bad people. They do it because they believe what their religion tells them regarding prayer and keeping the body pure.
People don't strap bombs vests on and stroll into a crowded market place because they are fringe lunatics or bad people. They do it because they believe what their holy book says about infidels and the afterlife.
People don't have unprotected *** in a country that's suffering from an aids pandemic because they are fringe lunatics or bad people. They do it because they believe what their religious leader tells them about condoms and other birth control.
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That's not the site I pulled those verses from, but that's irrelevant. The point is I can find the same types of verses within the bible, and any other 'holy' text ever written. Those verses are not good verses to promote peace or unity between muslims and non muslims. Or christians and non christians.
I'm not a Jehova's Witness, so I'm not in the prospect of defending it. Death is a very heavy subject, and no one has the right to obliterate someone with a clear conscience who believes their way is right. The government allows cigarettes and alcohol to be legal, despite it being related to more deaths than the minority of Jehova's Witness cases.
You're missing the point completely. A responsible person can smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol in moderation and never hurt themselves or anyone else. A child who's sick with an easily treatable illness can't get medical treatment without their parent's consent. So if the parent believes in prayer and doesn't believe that illnesses require medical attention, like Jahova Witnesses do, then their children die from these easily treatable illnesses instead of getting treatment and getting better.
Appendicitis is an easily treatable illness, but fatal if left untreated. Diabetes is an easily treatable illness, but fatal if left untreated. Tonsillitis is an easily treatable illness, but fatal if left untreated. The flu is an easily treatable illness, but potentially fatal if left untreated. There are hundreds of other illnesses that are easily treatable but potentially fatal if left untreated.
But these children can't make the choice themselves to get treatment. It's up to their parents. When their parents put their religion over their children's well being, those children die, through no fault of their own. Often times these children aren't even old enough to decide if they want to be religious or not. So comparing a personal decision to drink or smoke to children who don't even get a choice is not only laughable, but it shows how ignorant you are being.
I am not ignoring anything, you are jumping to conclusions to further prove your side, in your attempt trying to belittle the meanings of the Qu'ran. Something I do not stand.
The killing of another human is condoned in Islam. It is a peaceful religion. Killing is ever only considered, in a fault of self-defence or where the religion has been disrespected. Disrespected in the way it is humiliated, insulted, slandered and assaulted within a Muslim Nation. How many Muslims live alongside other cultures, peacefully. Do you see us pulling out knives and poking people in the backs for not believing in Allah?
I'm not trying to belittle the meaning of anything. I'm trying to get you to understand that most of the world's atrocities and violence stems directly from religion and religious teachings. That doesn't mean all religion is bad, or all religious people are bad. It means that the dogma found in religion stems from writings that are thousands of years old, which never change.
Anyone who reads the scriptures will get the same messages that the people got when they were originally written, and those messages are founded on morality that's archaic and immoral compared to today's secular society. People like you have no choice but to completely ignore the parts of your scriptures that do not conform to societies standards.
This is where your statement is inaccurate. If people were following the religion accurately, they would know the boundaries and logical explanations for the teachings of the Qu'ran and Prophet, that a Muslim taking the innocent life of another puts there own life in jeopardy.
'Accurately' is a matter of opinion when it comes to scripture. 'Accurately' in reality would be following the scriptures word for word, both the good and the bad. Unfortunately, doing so is illegal in most countries and would get you locked up in prison. You see, the part you're forgetting is that most atheists are well versed in scripture, and those scriptures are part of the reasons why they are atheists.
No rational person can sit there and read through the bible or the Quran, read those passages that depict violence and hatred, and then think that those books are good for society or humanity in general. In order to make them appropriate, you'd have to remove a great deal of those books, and that's not even bringing up what's factual in them. If you removed all the evil and fictional stuff from the bible, then you would have maybe 10% of the bible in your hand.
Or in other words, the Jefferson bible.
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