Do you believe in God?

[Chakra Wizard]

Well the Church banned, imprisoned Galelio and forced him to confess that the Earth did not revolve around the sun (Also may i mention Copernicus) . . . . . who was correct in the end? He cldnt explain because he didnt have spaceships and stuff, just wait till the scientists have answers. They are usually the people who are right.
Also earth is not flat as said the bible, neither is heaven up in the clouds (or God wld have sent another Prophet saying the aeroplanes and rockets are causing trouble up there) etc

You're right, but remember the time at which the bible was written. Aside from Genesis (it's anyone's guess who first put that part into writing), the rest of it had to have been written by man, who didn't know these things during that time.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Creation would be directly linked to time which is needed to create anything.
Time would not apply to a creator.

Hmmm...kinda true that time exists only in our universe-at least as far as we can understand this ...but still, what is time... it cannot be separated from space. Even god has to exist in a form. Maybe not in space-time, but from his aspect there must have been some dimension where he existed/and then probably still exists. But as for that creation needs time, how do you know that in the lifeform and dimension of god it needs time or not...Im just saying that we cannot even comprehend our physical world so we shouldnt come up wih even more complicated theories just to sweep the unanswered questions under the carpet.Besides it is proven that the university had a beginning with a big bang. And the developing of the universe and the results of evolution can be detected and explained.

 

[Anorien16]

No, you didn't, it's alright And I misread dream"less", but even then, I prefer dreams to my real life, sadly enough But, at least then, you know what's going on. It's just darkness, but that's probably because you're still alive. Once you've disappeared into nothing, there's no telling what happens. At least with the afterlife, I can expect something and prepare myself for it. That's the primary attraction of religion, in my opinion. And I'd rather believe, live a good life, and be wrong than not believe and go to Hell if I was right.

Actually in your deep sleep u dont fell or know anything, its in lighter sleep where you dream (Its very irritating when u wake from a very good dream) . . .
I would rather live my life to fullest, helping my fellow man as much as i can and then die with my honor preferring a scenario where my death matter beneficially to those who come after me. Then welcome non existance (if i m non existent i cant feel joy or sorrow as they require hormones) or a afterlife with repenting for my disbelief and taking responsibility of my actions.

Listen well, everything has its flaw and so does science, it will do you no good to blindy rely on anything or you will set yourself for major disappointment.

You're right, but remember the time at which the bible was written. Aside from Genesis (it's anyone's guess who first put that part into writing), the rest of it had to have been written by man, who didn't know these things during that time.

Same goes for u dont follow everything u read blindly, at least science uses the term 'theory' we dont know how much is fact and how much is fiction. Only absolutely true facts in the Bible and any relegios book are the principles of love, equality, brotherhood, compassion, understanding, sacrifice etc

 

[~Yubel~]

Hmmm...kinda true that time exists only in our universe-at least as far as we can understand this ...but still, what is time... it cannot be separated from space. Even god has to exist in a form. Maybe not in space-time, but from his aspect there must have been some dimension where he existed/and then probably still exists. But as for that creation needs time, how do you know that in the lifeform and dimension of god it needs time or not...Im just saying that we cannot even comprehend our physical world so we shouldnt come up wih even more complicated theories just to sweep the unanswered questions under the carpet.Besides it is proven that the university had a beginning with a big bang. And the developing of the universe and the results of evolution can be detected and explained.

How do you know your perception of time is the correct way of viewing it?

 

[Anorien16]

How do you know your perception of time is the correct way of viewing it?

What makes yours absolutely correct?

Also if something cant come from anything who created the creator or his creator and so on? (I m not asking Muslims, they have their answers ready)

 

[kral]

Ah very interesting I'm just reading a book of Mérő László (maybe you know him) about game theory and it has interesting and valid points saying for example that Nature and evolution uses mixed strategies so probability and chances have a huge role in our world. But if you are a scholar then you would beat me to the ground if I engaged into a scientific debate so I humbly give up arguing...we couldnt convince each other anyways. But nature and evoulution strives for higher-organised states of existence so if it realizes by chance that our so called life is more viable then no wonder things are this way . :shrug:

sorry just got home from work n haven't had a chance to get back to you.
you actually make a great point.
naw im not a scientist i just have taken some evolutionary courses and some history of the world courses.
if you would like to know what i believe on this i will try to give the best interpretation as i can.

Well i m no scholar there is also the possibility that things did went wrong, we are just the result of an accident. But no, we humans who are just a spot on the sextrillions of planets has to have a greater meaning and has to be important, isnt that ego speaking there? There are about 10000000000000000000000 estimated stars which wld mean there are basically 80000000000000000000000 planets out of which a recently discovered planet seems to have earth like qualities, so there are a lot of things that can happen between that number. What was the possibilty of Newton's apple incident? Very little. But every man who sat beneath any fruit tree had the chance of discovering Gravity, but no it happened to Newton and thats why he is famous today. U can call that accident or fate or God's plan etc but can u prove anything?

i agree in a sense. all i'm trying to say is that there is certain things that are too precise to our plants evolution from being a mass of gas to a life giving planet. too many factors. ex the size, density, n location of the moon. distance from the sun.
i imagine that say god didn't just create one race. maybe there are more "earths" out there and we just dont know about it.
its why its a great thing to be a human to be able to logically think about something and decide upon that thoughts truth/falsehood.

 

[Scooby Doo]

How do you know your perception of time is the correct way of viewing it?

Well, in our physical universe this is the only way to view it :shrug: Actually you said that creation needs time but god's creation does not need time and i asked how do you know that . Sorry if I misunderstood you

 

[~Yubel~]

What makes yours absolutely correct?

Also if something cant come from anything who created the creator or his creator and so on? (I m not asking Muslims they have their answers ready)

Let´s say for my question i don´t have view of the perception of time, let me know yours.

Your just going back to the question and i gave my answer already now you answer mine.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Actually in your deep sleep u dont fell or know anything, its in lighter sleep where you dream (Its very irritating when u wake from a very good dream) . . .
I would rather live my life to fullest, helping my fellow man as much as i can and then die with my honor preferring a scenario where my death matter beneficially to those who come after me. Then welcome non existance (if i m non existent i cant feel joy or sorrow as they require hormones) or a afterlife with repenting for my disbelief and taking responsibility of my actions.



Same goes for u dont follow everything u read blindly, at least science uses the term 'theory' we dont know how much is fact and how much is fiction. Only absolutely true facts in the Bible and any relegios book are the principles of love, equality, brotherhood, compassion, understanding, sacrifice etc

Well, like I said, I prefer the opposite, so I can guess we can just end that part of the discussion there, unless you left something outxd

Yeah, they may use the word theory, but the idea of God is a theory as well, so long as people believe it. But really, nothing is fact in my opinion. What we depict as our everyday lives could be theoretical. I'm not saying we live in the Matrix or anything, but there's just no way of knowing what's real or not.

 

[~Yubel~]

Well, in our physical universe this is the only way to view it :shrug: Actually you said that creation needs time but god's creation does not need time and i asked how do you know that . Sorry if I misunderstood you

No, creation needs time but then what created god?
Answer: Time doesn´t apply to god therefore creation doesn´t apply to him aswell meaning he has always existed as strange it might be to us. Do you have a better explanation for what caused life? Please don´t say it was by chance.-_-

 

[Anorien16]

i agree in a sense. all i'm trying to say is that there is certain things that are too precise to our plants evolution from being a mass of gas to a life giving planet. too many factors. ex the size, density, n location of the moon. distance from the sun.
i imagine that say god didn't just create one race. maybe there are more "earths" out there and we just dont know about it.
its why its a great thing to be a human to be able to logically think about something and decide upon that thoughts truth/falsehood.

Hmm quite right, so my point is why try to over think about these matter and create more complications when there are troubles that God does not care to solve like world hunger, terrorism, nuclear stuff etc . . . . but sadly logical thinking is not the strong point of humanity, i dont think everyone is not so 'evolved' for that. LOL.

Also i m not very fond of the idea that God does not exists as i see too much order in the chaos of the world, i just think that he may be completely different from what we think of him. Even scientists believe about an absolute law and order that commands everything, God can be that law and order.

Let´s say for my question i don´t have view of the perception of time, let me know yours.

Your just going back to the question and i gave my answer already now you answer mine.

To me the time is measured in seconds which is the the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

So answer me now, if something can not come from nothing who created the creator and the ceator of th creator of creator and so on?

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Hmm quite right, so my point is why try to over think about these matter and create more complications when there are troubles that God does not care to solve like world hunger, terrorism, nuclear stuff etc . . . . but sadly logical thinking is not the strong point of humanity, i dont think everyone is not so 'evolved' for that. LOL.

It's not that he doesn't care. If we're made from his image, then he's like us, so he obviously cares to some extent. But, if you look closely, neither God nor Satan have ever done anything directly, that's where the concept of divine influence arises. Even Satan acted through a serpent, but not directly. It's like that stupid shoulder angel and demon skit in the cartoons, they can only offer suggestions, but we must take them into consideration. Human beings caused these problems, therefore, it's their problems to solve. That's how I see it, anyways.

 

[~Yubel~]

To me the time is measured in seconds which is the the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

So answer me now, if something can not come from nothing who created the creator and the ceator of th creator of creator and so on?

Read directly above your post.

 

[Anorien16]

It's not that he doesn't care. If we're made from his image, then he's like us, so he obviously cares to some extent. But, if you look closely, neither God nor Satan have ever done anything directly, that's where the concept of divine influence arises. Even Satan acted through a serpent, but not directly. It's like that stupid shoulder angel and demon skit in the cartoons, they can only offer suggestions, but we must take them into consideration. Human beings caused these problems, therefore, it's their problems to solve. That's how I see it, anyways.

Well lets try to solve them instead of discriminating people and making their lives more miserable. Also if he is able but not willing that makes him little less loving than most people consider him to be, no parent can stand and watch his children suffering.

Read directly above your post.

That not my answer, i want the answer from u about an entirely different topic . . . . . . . so i ask again.

To me the time is measured in seconds which is the the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

So answer me now, if something can not come from nothing who created the creator and the ceator of the creator of creator and so on?

 

[Scooby Doo]

No, creation needs time but then what created god?
Answer: Time doesn´t apply to god therefore creation doesn´t apply to him aswell meaning he has always existed as strange it might be to us. Do you have a better explanation for what caused life? Please don´t say it was by chance.-_-

You say that god has been existing for eternity but not in a sense of our perception of time and thats fine but god is not necessary in the system. Use Occam's razor. Instead of assuming that God has been existing for eternity why not assume that the material has been existing for eternity? I have my own opinion and probably its not only mine that universe is just an endless loop, a circulation so when the universe will crash, it will get back into the singularity from which it started and everything will start again. So theories supported by scientific facts can be made without god .But to you I'm just a stupid atheist who cannot answer your questions and will burn in hell anyways so dont care with me Now I go to bed. Just one quotation from Maxim Gorkij: For those who believe in him, god exists, and for those who dont believe in him, he doesnt exist.

 

[Chakra Wizard]

Well lets try to solve them instead of discriminating people and making their lives more miserable. Also if he is able but not willing that makes him little less loving than most people consider him to be, no parent can stand and watch his children suffering.

People call him loving in the fact that he'll forgive anyone so long as they ask for it and believe in him. That's where that concept of His love arises.

 

[kral]

Hmm quite right, so my point is why try to over think about these matter and create more complications when there are troubles that God does not care to solve like world hunger, terrorism, nuclear stuff etc . . . . but sadly logical thinking is not the strong point of humanity, i dont think everyone is not so 'evolved' for that. LOL.

Also i m not very fond of the idea that God does not exists as i see too much order in the chaos of the world, i just think that he may be completely different from what we think of him. Even scientists believe about an absolute law and order that commands everything, God can be that law and order.



To me the time is measured in seconds which is the the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

So answer me now, if something can not come from nothing who created the creator and the ceator of th creator of creator and so on?

pretty much. i believe what i do because that's what i do.
i believe that this time period was predicted in Revelations.
LMAO @ bold
that probly just made my day thanks!

 

[Anorien16]

pretty much. i believe what i do because that's what i do.
i believe that this time period was predicted in Revelations.
LMAO @ bold
that probly just made my day thanks!

Amen to that, we seriously need something like that flood or similar ..... the world is getting too f-ucked up for living, i m seriously considering not having any children.

 

[kral]

Amen to that, we seriously need something like that flood or similar ..... the world is getting too f-ucked up for living, i m seriously considering not having any children.

o well that's just sad thought. i would b lost without my kiddo.
did u know that scientifically speaking the flood could of actually happened?
it would also explain why people could live for so long b4 the flood?

 

[~Yubel~]

That not my answer, i want the answer from u about an entirely different topic . . . . . . . so i ask again.

To me the time is measured in seconds which is the the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

So answer me now, if something can not come from nothing who created the creator and the ceator of the creator of creator and so on?

You tell me, i never asked you about times measurement because i could surely figure that out myself, the creator is the creato because he creates, he isn´t created, if he was he wouldn´t be the creator, it doesn´t work the way you think.

You say that god has been existing for eternity but not in a sense of our perception of time and thats fine but god is not necessary in the system. Use Occam's razor. Instead of assuming that God has been existing for eternity why not assume that the material has been existing for eternity? I have my own opinion and probably its not only mine that universe is just an endless loop, a circulation so when the universe will crash, it will get back into the singularity from which it started and everything will start again. So theories supported by scientific facts can be made without god .But to you I'm just a stupid atheist who cannot answer your questions and will burn in hell anyways so dont care with me Now I go to bed. Just one quotation from Maxim Gorkij: For those who believe in him, god exists, and for those who dont believe in him, he doesnt exist.

You don´t even know me bro and how i view you or anyone for that matter, as for you last quote; opinion/=truth.
Now i´ll go to bed aswell, goodnight.