Do people not pay attention to the uchiha massacre or Danzo???!

[KingGolDragon]

If the coup was to occur then war would be inevitable. It was even confirmed by

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Furthermore, the safety and well being of the whole village was much more important than one clan. Danzo took a Utilitarian approach, the greatest good for the greatest number.

The guy you mentioned was a lil kid. Same age as itachi..

 

[Hipster Madara]

It was not justified at all.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

I have a problem why the Konoha elders didn't ask danzo what happen to him why is his eye & arm wrapped up in bandages, when they where younger he didnt look like that. I have a hard time believing no one wondered why his arm had a lock on it

His eye and arm were covered up before the massacre, probably war wounds. So him covering them up didn't seem like he was hiding anything since they were messed up areas. He never used the arm around the village so I doubt anyone but root even knew about his arm brace.

Anyway, the Uchiha aren't evil but they were seeing the village the way madara did before, the senju were trying to wipe them out slowly and they weren't trusted so they wanted to reestablish their hold in the village they helped make. Sarutobi couldn't come to a peaceful resolve in the time the others thought so they pulled the trigger and wiped them out for fear of civil war. The village surviving was the main goal for the elders. A coup would have led to war, seeing as the point of one is to take control and with the Uchiha already blamed for the fox attack the rest of the village would have seen it as a hostile action to them all again.

 

[AP2k]

Same here. Its like Sarutobi knew what Danzo was doing.. yet he didn't give a crap. But its just too suspicious.



Uh no, That is up to the people.. Do you really believe the UCHIHA the people who helped make village would do something like that?? Probably not. Sarutobi saw nothing against sitting down and talking.. so your saying that Danzo's decision was better then sarutobi's?

If there is any sign on instability the villages will attack.. hmmm I wonder where they all have been when Oro attacked...lmao.



Point of the coup is not War. This was already explained in the manga also.

Sarutobi - " If We start a Civil war with the Uchiha, it won't go easily."


Coup: is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to depose the extant government and replace it with another body, civil or military.

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Shisui, itachi, and fugaku all knew it would result in a ciil war, and cause the fourth great shinobi war. In a perfect world a coup doesn't result in a war, but without Itachi and Shisui it's highly doubtful they could kill Hiruzen, Danzo, Kakashi, Hiashi, and all the others.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

The guy you mentioned was a lil kid. Same age as itachi..

That little kid happens to be an Uchiha genius, just like Itachi. Since Shisui was trusted by the clan he knew what they were up to. And he would've been right because in the Shinobi world, where power is everything, the neighbouring villages would do anything to take advantage at the sight of fellow country/village being weakend.

Like I said, the safety and well being of the whole village is important than just one clan.

 

[KingGolDragon]

It was not justified at all.

The Uchiha clan massacre was totally unfair. The elders should have ordered the murder of the people that were planning the coup d'etat only, not innocent people and children.
They were scared of their power and the sharingan.

Glad you guys agree

Idk if you're having a coup it means that you're basically instigating war. If you're going against the gov't the people that approve of the gov't will be against you. For all we know the Uchiha was on their own. So that is like 3-4 clans plus fodder against you.

It depends if they were going to assasinate someone sercertly or just out right kill the governing heads of the village. I don't think they would have a coup and stay in the village. It was going to lead to bloodshed anyway based on the history of the Uchiha.

But I can see what you're saying though.

No it means you do not like the government at the time. Danzo was what you call a inner terrorist.

i get your point killing ederly and children can never be justified no matter what the means

^_^ glad you agree

That little kid happens to be an Uchiha genius, just like Itachi. Since Shisui was trusted by the clan he knew what they were up to. And he would've been right because in the Shinobi world, where power is everything, the neighbouring villages would do anything to take advantage at the sight of fellow country/village being weakend.

Sasuke was a Genius...... But in the end hes still a Kid. Itachi and Shisui were basically Traitors. The leaf actually attacked on the uchiha.. "Danzo taking Shisui's eye".

Your statement about the Villages attacking... hmm. No country is dumb enough to go into a war right after the Great Ninja war. And also.. if they countries wanted to attack .. They could have done it right after Oro attacked.. lmao.

 

[Blast41]

The point of a coup is to overthrow the government/head. I'm pretty sure the other clans in the village would not have just sat there as the Uchihas take control of everything; plus everyone seemed as though they loved the 3rd, so just like how the sand/sound alliance tried to destroy konoha, it's people would've risen against them.
And for the kids dying, Uchihas are burdened by hate = Sasuke -> A butt hurt Uchiha

 

[Blast41]

The Uchiha clan massacre was totally unfair. The elders should have ordered the murder of the people that were planning the coup d'etat only, not innocent people and children.
They were scared of their power and the sharingan.

Thus making the others band together and attack you, it's called a martyr = giving someone/people a reason to retaliate against you.

 

[KingGolDragon]

The point of a coup is to overthrow the government/head. I'm pretty sure the other clans in the village would not have just sat there as the Uchihas take control of everything; plus everyone seemed as though they loved the 3rd, so just like how the sand/sound alliance tried to destroy konoha, it's people would've risen against them.
And for the kids dying, Uchihas are burdened by hate = Sasuke -> A butt hurt Uchiha

When the Uchiha would have coup. It would only make sense that Sarutobi would have talked to them, first.. I hope you do know that some of Hiruzen's friends were the uchiha....

Sand attack was all by a Guy who was raised in the Village...... He manipulated the Sand leader. And Leaf was at its weakest point then. Why did the other countries not attack??

And Sasuke is result of Danzo. Just like Nagato is. Or Kabuto.

And also, whats funny is Danzo thought about the Uchiha as "evil" or a "threat".. yet the leader of the uchiha didn't fight back , when he was killed.. Just proves the dumbness behind the whole thing.

 

[Blast41]

Same here. Its like Sarutobi knew what Danzo was doing.. yet he didn't give a crap. But its just too suspicious.



Uh no, That is up to the people.. Do you really believe the UCHIHA the people who helped make village would do something like that?? Probably not. Sarutobi saw nothing against sitting down and talking.. so your saying that Danzo's decision was better then sarutobi's?

If there is any sign on instability the villages will attack.. hmmm I wonder where they all have been when Oro attacked...lmao.



Point of the coup is not War. This was already explained in the manga also.

Sarutobi - " If We start a Civil war with the Uchiha, it won't go easily."


Coup: is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to depose the extant government and replace it with another body, civil or military.

Dude just think of the american civil war, it all started with a coup and look what happen during that war.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Sasuke was a Genius...... But in the end hes still a Kid. Itachi and Shisui were basically Traitors. The leaf actually attacked on the uchiha.. "Danzo taking Shisui's eye".

Your statement about the Villages attacking... hmm. No country is dumb enough to go into a war right after the Great Ninja war. And also.. if they countries wanted to attack .. They could have done it right after Oro attacked.. lmao.

I can assure you Shisui was much more older and mature than Itachi or Sasuke. They are traitors to their clan but not against the Village, if anything they are heroes as Village>Clan.

This didn't occur right after the Great Ninja war since Itachi was a bit grown up and we know he was tramautised by war, a few years have passed then. And your point about Oro's attack is invalid because they failed to take over the entire government and village. Killing the Hokage does not result in destruction of the whole village.

Furthermore, your point about killing children well guess what there would've been 100 Sasukes running round bent on revenge and hatred.

 

[KingGolDragon]

Dude just think of the american civil war, it all started with a coup and look what happen during that war.

Bad example bro.

That war was caused because theGovernment didn't want Slavery to continue more.. Yet some of the people did..

Uchihas = Americans Danzo = Confederates.

 

[AP2k]

I can assure you Shisui was much more older and mature than Itachi or Sasuke. They are traitors to their clan but not against the Village, if anything they are heroes as Village>Clan.

This didn't occur right after the Great Ninja war since Itachi was a bit grown up and we know he was tramautised by war, a few years have passed then. And your point about Oro's attack is invalid because they failed to take over the entire government and village. Killing the Hokage does not result in destruction of the whole village.

Furthermore, your point about killing children well guess what there would've been 100 Sasukes running round bent on revenge and hatred.

To elaborate on your point, Shisui is anywhere from 2-8 years older then itachi, and the reason the leaf wasn't invaded after Oro's attack is because A)they replaced Hiruzen quickly, and B) the tension between the nations wasn't great, which is why they were having the Chunin exams between all the countries.

Bad example bro.

That war was caused because theGovernment didn't want Slavery to continue more.. Yet some of the people did..

Uchihas = Americans Danzo = Confederates.

That's not why the civil war started. The civil war started beause the southern states believed in states rights, whereas the north believed in a stronger gov't. slavery wasn't een made illegal in the north until 1863, and blacks didn't have rights until 1867. The government couldn't have ared less about slavery as a whole (some individuals were personally against it, but not the whole government). Slavery ending was just a lucky end result of the war. Had the south not seceeded slavery would have continued, probably for 10+ years.

 

[Blast41]

When the Uchiha would have coup. It would only make sense that Sarutobi would have talked to them, first.. I hope you do know that some of Hiruzen's friends were the uchiha....

Sand attack was all by a Guy who was raised in the Village...... He manipulated the Sand leader. And Leaf was at its weakest point then. Why did the other countries not attack??

And Sasuke is result of Danzo. Just like Nagato is. Or Kabuto.

And also, whats funny is Danzo thought about the Uchiha as "evil" or a "threat".. yet the leader of the uchiha didn't fight back , when he was killed.. Just proves the dumbness behind the whole thing.

1. You are not just going to go around trying to attack the head of state while everyone sits around and watch you, it's just not going to happen. Some one will take it to far, thus creating war. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Uchihas are known for not having a pure nature about them.

2. Plot

3. And the coup would make people worst than that, for instance look at the last airbender when the fire benders took over the earth kingdom. The earth Kingdom retaliated with the resistance and tried to kill people which made the firebenders retaliate even harder. There is no such thing as diplomacy when dealing with a coup.

4. The leader of the Uchihas was killed by his own son, if that doesnt say evil to you then idk what will.

 

[KingGolDragon]

I can assure you Shisui was much more older and mature than Itachi or Sasuke. They are traitors to their clan but not against the Village, if anything they are heroes as Village>Clan.

This didn't occur right after the Great Ninja war since Itachi was a bit grown up and we know he was tramautised by war, a few years have passed then. And your point about Oro's attack is invalid because they failed to take over the entire government and village. Killing the Hokage does not result in destruction of the whole village.

Furthermore, your point about killing children well guess what there would've been 100 Sasukes running round bent on revenge and hatred.

Uchihas= citizens of konoha.

Killing citizens = killing konoha villagers.

This occured about 4 or 3 years after the war. 4 or 3 years is still not enough.. No country desires to go to war.

My point about Oro is invalid how?/ It was Oro who gave the order to attack the Leaf while impersonating the Kazekage.. lmao.

Who says?? All people think like sasuke now?? I mean Gaara doesn't.. and he had to deal with more.

So basically what you trying to say is.. If California was to go against the goverment... it would be ok to finish out the whole state?.

1. You are not just going to go around trying to attack the head of state while everyone sits around and watch you, it's just not going to happen. Some one will take it to far, thus creating war. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Uchihas are known for not having a pure nature about them.

2. Plot

3. And the coup would make people worst than that, for instance look at the last airbender when the fire benders took over the earth kingdom. The earth Kingdom retaliated with the resistance and tried to kill people which made the firebenders retaliate even harder. There is no such thing as diplomacy when dealing with a coup.

4. The leader of the Uchihas was killed by his own son, if that doesnt say evil to you then idk what will.

1. Sir.. There is always a negotiation...........if someone starts a revolution the government will try to Negotiate first...That is the law... And how things are done.

2. The whole series is plot..... sooo your point is invalid.

3. Bad example. Uchiha were Konoha citizen.. Fire Nation was a different country trying to take over. Uchiha were trying get their voices heard..

4. The same son who was forced to Kill his clan by the Village he loved.. Please pay attention to the statues that represented the uchiha and Konoha during Itachi's flashback. And that leader knew he was right and proved the uchiha weren't taking hasty actions..

 

[Blast41]

Bad example bro.

That war was caused because theGovernment didn't want Slavery to continue more.. Yet some of the people did..

Uchihas = Americans Danzo = Confederates.

If you need me to make more sense of it, then it would be like WW2. We left Japan and Germany alone to do whatever they was doing, they attempted a coup we bombed them simple as that.

Another thing, the Uchihas were not slaves, they had power just not a lot. And bad equation because the confederacy did not win

 

[KingGolDragon]

If you need me to make more sense of it, then it would be like WW2. We left Japan and Germany alone to do whatever they was doing, they attempted a coup we bombed them simple as that.

Another thing, the Uchihas were not slaves, they had power just not a lot. And bad equation because the confederacy did not win

Japan and Germany = Countries.......


Uchihas were segregated.. The clan who was the co-founder was segregated.. shows how much the Goverment shows respect.

 

[Blast41]

Japan and Germany = Countries.......


Uchihas were segregated.. The clan who was the co-founder was segregated.. shows how much the Goverment shows respect.

You keep looking at the words and not the meanings behind them, what i'm saying is point blank: IF YOU TRY TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT THAT EVERYONE LOVES JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T MEANS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET PUT DOWN.

It's either kill a few or lose a mass.

 

[KingGolDragon]

You keep looking at the words and not the meanings behind them, what i'm saying is point blank: IF YOU TRY TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT THAT EVERYONE LOVES JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T MEANS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET PUT DOWN.

It's either kill a few or lose a mass.

And your not getting the point..... It was not a outside force that was going against the government.. but the people who were being governed. And Everyone loves it.. because they hadn't been told nothing... And hey the Hokage saw nothing against talking to them..


Its either talk to them and lose power or Just kill them and have the chance to be Hokage.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Uchihas= citizens of konoha.

Killing citizens = killing konoha villagers.

This occured about 4 or 3 years after the war. 4 or 3 years is still not enough.. No country desires to go to war.

My point about Oro is invalid how?/ It was Oro who gave the order to attack the Leaf while impersonating the Kazekage.. lmao.

Who says?? All people think like sasuke now?? I mean Gaara doesn't.. and he had to deal with more.

So basically what you trying to say is.. If California was to go against the goverment... it would be ok to finish out the whole state?.

First of all, why would you try to bring in real life examples on a manga that is entirely fictional. Its already obvious that you are butthurt about the whole event, no need to make it even more obvious mate.

Also, you clearly do not understand what I meant by Danzo's Utilitarian approach. This was basically the Village leaders point of view and decision: Its okay to kill a few hundred people(Uchiha Clan) in order to save a few hundred thousand(whole village). The greatest good for the greatest number.

My point about Sasuke is just an example to show what a mistake it would've been if Danzo hadn't ordered to kill young children. You simply can't expect them to idly do nothing as they grow up, most likely with hatred against the village.