I'm so done after seeing Superman versus Goku, it should be obvious to all who are not retarded or have read atleast 1 Superman comic or atleast looked up facts that Goku's power is nowhere near Superman or any of the high tier beings in DC/Marvel, hell you can even put all of DBZ together and theystill wouldn't last 10 seconds against Superman.
Now after the Superman VS Goku Rematch, all the DBZtards were crying because Goku got his ass beat, this was the strongest form of Goku and this wasn't even near the strongest form of Superman yet the DBZtards seem to think that Goku can defeat everyone in everyverse, a good example is the retarded fatboy forneverworld, this guy is soooo bias, i have never ever encountered such a biased person who was no trolling, this guy is dead serious when he says Goku should've won, smh.
The strongest form of Goku is SSGS and sure he is strong,but can hecompete with even a few of the top tiers in DC? Hell, the strongest form of Superman who is nigh Omnipotent isn't even top 5, the guy created his own Universe, he is immortal, has no weaknesses whatsoever, he can enter the fifth Dimension, he shattered space/time barrier etc.
If you think that Goku or any other DBZ being for that matter stands a chance against Superman im here to debate, let's go at it, you go for any DBZ character, i go for Superman.
''Lol, the ending basically explained that Superman is basically a god because his stories are set up differently, he isn't a fighter he's an unbeatable alien trying to adapt in society and give it hope, while Goku is a man who aims to keep getting stronger. So here's the question, what fun would it be to see Goku beat everyone instantly and be basically invincible, it wouldn't be because their stories are to different. And to all the hardcore Dbz fans like myself, there are no double standards, how can you call Superman overpowered if he wins, but not Goku if he won? There are a handful of characters more powerful then them both like Dr.Manhattan, The Spectre and The Living Tribunal (If you don't know them look em' up). Do you know why people don't call them overpowered? Because it's not about how strong they are, it's about the stories being told and the meaning behind them.''
This comment was so gorgeous.
Don't matter if there are characters who are freaking broken. The point of each fiction is how the story is told. The common used one is ''weak character gets stronger''. There are other that characters start so broken, which they don't rely on ''fights'' like DBZ because they're aiming to another type of story rather than ''become stronger''.
Dragon Ball will never, ever, surpass other ANIME verse, not just DC/marvel. I used to be one of those fanboys that believed that goku was the strongest anime character ever! I was so wrong!
One anime that would completely destroy, annihilate, laughably, babyshakes every DB character, without even trying is Umineko no Naku koro ni.
Featherine Augustus Aurora
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Powers and Abilities: Nigh-Omniscience, Non-Corporeal, Conceptual Being, Magic, Reality Warping, Plot Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Cosmic Awareness, Immortality, Exists in the highest world and views witches as nothing more than a chess piece (just like how witches view humans), Master of the Overlord Cats.
Destructive Capacity: High Hyperverse Level+ (Casually killed Lambdadelta by rewriting the script of the story, while tipsy from alcohol. Aurora is the creator and ruler of the City of Books. Each book consists of infinite higher-dimensional universes, and the higher layer world)
Strength: Irrelevant
Speed: Irrelevant
Durability: High Hyperverse Level+
Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (She knows every single thing about Umineko, since she is the creator of the whole Umineko story in the first place, and also created the entire City of Books, which contains countless of fragments and books).
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Lambdadelta
Lambdadelta, in her nature as a Voyager, is an immensely powerful Witch who throws around massive attacks on a multiversal scale. Very few beings, even in the larger scheme of Umineko, can match or exceed her in power. The only beings known to have done so, or shown feats that would suggest so, can literally be counted on one hand.
They are: Frederica Bernkastel, End-of-EP8 Ushiromiya Ange, and Featherine Augustus Aurora
Concept Creation
Lambdadelta, in the Sea of Fragments, can create concepts for herself by merely thinking.
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Probability Manipulation
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Lambdadelta, as the Witch of Certainty, possesses the polar opposite to Bernkastel's power of Miracles. She can make anything happen with nigh-absolute certainty. Bernkastel acknowledges this and calls her power terrifying.
As a measure of how powerful Bernkastel is, she can one-shot End-of-Series Battler Ushiromiya, who can completely no-sell multiple big-bang, planet-creation, and big-crunch events on a scale of the City of Books.
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Time Manipulation
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She can stop time easily, and this is also from her nature as a higher-dimensional being.
Authorial Power
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Lambdadelta bestows the Magic of Certainty onto Jessica Ushiromiya's script. This script effectively creates a new universe (the world of the script) through Lambda's magic, and imprisons Jessica, Shannon, and Battler within. Lambda's magic ensures that the script has absolute authority over the world, and that it cannot be denied until the story plays out.
Control over fate and destiny
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To beings on Lambdadelta's level, Fate and Destiny are but playthings.
Popcorn Shields
I know, it sounds ridiculous. Lambdadelta's popcorn shields, however, are powerful. They blocked the blades of Dlanor A. Knox, High Inquisitor of Heresy.
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This is significant because Dlanor's blades are conceptual weapons, able to deny the existence of even concepts, or things on that level. The Red Key especially is the most powerful of all, it renders the concepts of defense, dodge, and time to react all invalid.
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What makes this even more impressive is when you consider how fast Dlanor is. She fights on an even speed front with Battler, where the concept of distance quickly becomes meaningless.
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Immortality
Even after being dismembered by Featherine, who rewrote the plot of the story to kill her, Lambdadelta survives through her seperate body parts, of which she is capable of controlling independently. Bernkastel helps sew her back together.
''Black Hole'' creation
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One of Lambda's most well known moves. She creates a sphere of super-concentrated Gravity. These spheres are so powerful they consume Bernkastel's Leviathans (that are massive even on the scale of fragments in the City of Books) and draw in multiple fragments in the City of Books. She eventually draws Bernkastel herself in and transforms the "Black Hole" into a sweet and consumes it all (except Bernkastel, of course).
The manga reflects this.
Big Bangs
In the City of Books, where books are Fragments, Lambdadelta squares off with Bernkastel. Their fight results in numerous Big Bang and Big Crunch-level events, with the gestation of multiple resulting universes and countless galaxies. The fight was likened to two gods trying to prove who could create Universes better.
The fight is revealed to cause massive damage to the City's shelves and Fragment-books.
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Lambadelta's sweets
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Energy Projection
Can fire massive blasts that destroy Bernkastel's leviathans, which are massive even within the City of Books, effectively dwarfing Book-fragments.
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Celestial Body Creation
Lambda, in her most glorious moment, stands against Featherine Augustus Aurora, The Great Witch of Drama, Theatregoing and Spectating and the most powerful being in Umineko. With a gesture, she instantly creates entire stars and planets to orbit her, each effectively the size of several Book-fragments, and prepares to hurl them at Featherine.
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She does lose though, but standing against Featherine in Umineko terms is like going up against Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and to do so willingly takes great courage.
Empowerment / Elevation
Lambdadelta is capable of presenting humans with wishes, enough to end universes and birth them. Even to elevate them to the level where their endeavors will certainly become reality (essentially, godhood)- however, she is cruel in that she never said or dictated how long they would take.
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Removal of Power
Lambdadelta chastises Beatrice for the shoddy scenarios she has played up until now. She reminds Beatrice that only by her favor does she maintain her position as game master / territory lord of her multiversal catbox of endless parallel worlds, affording her nigh-absolute control over it. Essentially, Lambda tells Beatrice to get her act together, or she will demote her back to being nothing more than the mere human she was before Lambda deigned to elevate her to the lofty status she holds, and imprison her in the most lowly of fragments, to which Beatrice acknowledges in fear.
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TL;DR; there are anime verses are so broken but that's not the point of this. The point is this is not like DBZ, who focuses a growth of a character from being weak to become one of the strongest on its universe. Umineko's story-telling is different because it aims to mystery and character development rather than being overpowered.
Same thing goes for Superman. Fanboy need to accept that goku, never! ever! had a change against superman. Even though I love goku and DB is part of my childhood, people need to lay down the drugs.
Umineko is the DC/Marvel of anime. This verse is broken. But that's not the point.
The point of umineko is not characters being too OP! the point is the characters and the story, nothing else. Same goes for Superman but dbz fanboys are rustled because their ''GOKU IS THE STRONGEST ANIME CHARACTER EVER!'' lose... I was like ''seriously?'' people need to read other stuff than goku! goku! goku! laughable.
I still don't understand what manner of retard you have to be to see this shit being debated for years without reaching a clear conclusion and still go about it.
I was like ''seriously?'' people need to read other stuff than goku! goku! goku! laughable.
