[Discussion] Do all Zoans have same awakening?
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For one, it's not regeneration, awakened zoan users are said to have amazing recovery rate which is totally different from what you call regeneration. Marco of the Whitebeard pirates is the only character in the whole series to posses the ability to regenerate. Secondly, it was never conformed by any reliable source that Jack achieved awakening.There is no possible way to ascertain it with what little of information we have in our hands as of now. It is not imperative that every strong individual with a devils fruit also posses awakening ability. In short, Jack may or may not have reached awakening.
Zoan awakening doesn't give instant healing abilities. It enables you to recover at an alarming rate so you'll be healed a lot faster than what you should normally take to get rid of sustained damage under normal circumstances. That's not the end of story, there are a few factors which likely affect the recovery rate such as the amount of damage taken, your level of mastery over your ability and your own endurance limit and recovery rate etc. Depending up on these and some other unknown factors , it may take some time to recover completely. Therefore, Even if Jack has awakening ability, it doesn't mean he should have completely healed. I am actually astonished by the fact that he is as vigorous as he is in canon. I originally expected him to be barely alive and I bet many on here would agree with me on this. Because, a battle with an admiral warrants an immense amount of damage for the opposite party even if the later is a Yonko. So, it's not possible to instantly recover from such a level of damage even if you recover at an alarming rate.
Then again, Jack's quick recovery doesn't essentially work as a sing of awakening. It could be that Jack himself is tough akin to Zoro/Luffy and recovers quickly. I am sure it's been a few days since his battle with Joker's convoy. So, he likely regained his strength in mean time and it's also possible that he didn't sustain any grave injuries but I find it unlikely considering everyone believes him to be dead.There is no rule to say awakened zoan users can't go back to their human forms irrc. But I might have missed that part so I'll check it out. Regarding Jack's horns, the smaller ones are just for decoration but the bigger ones are most likely the real deal and are a part of his hybrid form. There were a couple of instances in which he can be seen without horns.[
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} I am not sure if this is legit or just a mistake on Oda's part. If it's the former then the horns are a part of his hybrid form as I said earlier but he can return back to normal at will as see in the aforementioned occasions.End of the day, What we saw wasn't a plot hole whether or not Jack has reached awakening stage. Hope this helps. EDIT: Nvm the part concerning horns, they're all fake it seems.
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Most animals in the OPverse have a certain amount of intelligence. Chopper gained the ability to communicate and look like humans, but intelligence is something he already had.
I just explained that they do not regenerate. Regeneration is what Logia do, hence one of the reasons they're considered so powerful. If you cut off the arm of a zoan type, it will not grow back. Zoans have a high recovery rate, but you seem to think they simply can heal from anything after a few minutes, which is really not the case.
Also it's completely irrelevant that elephants are stronger than tigers, that's really not how it works or have you forgotten that a cat flipped over Jack in his mammoth form? The potency of a zoan depends on the strength of the user. The stronger the user is, the more potent the DF will be. This is something Rob Lucci already explained back on Enies Lobbies and was clearly demonstrated by Funkfreed, a sword that ate the Elephant Zoan DF, but got defeated by Franky in an instant. Tigers, elephant...it matters little. I don't get either why you brought it up.
As I said before it doesn't matter likewise whether Jack is now awakened or not as it doesn't change anything. Jack is not so dreadful because of his DF, but because of the innate strength he possess. When he fought the Minks he used his DF only in the beginning, after that he fought mostly in human form. After all being a huge mammoth is good for brute strength and destruction, but it comes at the cost of agility.
Those are not mistakes, you can even clearly see those tusks in those pictures as he's wielding them. Jack in human form has a set of horns on his head and a set of tusks that run downwards. The latter are not real as they're the sheaths of those weird sickle-swords of him. The horns on his head are most likely fake too as they're attached with a metal compartment.
Well yeah I guess so,since every Zoan is an animal so can't be different.There can only be difference in what kind of awakening it is.Lets say if you are Jack I guess your awakening would be more power prioritized.If you are a Tiger or something you'll get speed prioritized or something? Or both but in lower amounts?
Honestly, I am not sure why but I haven't noticed it until now.
Nonetheless, they're indeed fake horns. Even some of his underlings have them. [
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] And the smaller ones are fake like you said so Jack doesn't have horns after all. I am staring to doubt if Kaido's horns are the real deal. :yeah:Although, I am not sure why he bought this up, Elephant > Tiger logic does work in OP. When it's true everything comes down to the power of the user, the true potential of the elephant fruit remains superior to a tiger fruit. I mean if two people of equal caliber ate them then the one who consumed elephant fruit would most certainly be stronger then the one with tiger fruit. As a proof of this, Kaku in his zoan form demonstrated far more fire power than Jyabra, someone with nearly as much physical strength as Kaku. Bear in mind that Kaku was relatively new to his fruit when Jyabra had his for like 4 years or more prior to EL battle.
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Didn't notice it at first until I saw someone else mention it. I did think Jack pulled out his sword in a weird way, but didn't consider that it it were his tusks. Some of the subordinates horns are real though. It was stated that the ones with the black horns where the ones who had weird abilities, with other words those are the ones who ate the smiley DF. So it seems growing a set of black horns is a side effect.
Honestly, I am not sure why but I haven't noticed it until now.You must be registered for see links] And the smaller ones are fake like you said so Jack doesn't have horns after all. I am staring to doubt if Kaido's horns are the real deal. :yeah:
Although, I am not sure why he bought this up, Elephant > Tiger logic does work in OP. When it's true everything comes down to the power of the user, the true potential of the elephant fruit remains superior to a tiger fruit. I mean if two people of equal caliber ate them then the one who consumed elephant fruit would most certainly be stronger then the one with tiger fruit. As a proof of this, Kaku in his zoan form demonstrated far more fire power than Jyabra, someone with nearly as much physical strength as Kaku. Bear in mind that Kaku was relatively new to his fruit when Jyabra had his for like 4 years or more prior to EL battle.
Both Kaku and Jyabura are bad examples as they are prime examples of how important the user's combat style influences the potency of the fruit. The main reason why Kaku's giraffe fruit was that destructive, was because of Kaku's abilities. Having long legs like a giraffe works incredibly well with someone who uses both of his legs like a pair of swords. If a normal person would have eaten that fruit, he wouldn't be able to achieve all that. Same thing with Jyabura. Oda intentionally made both of them have a DF that works well together with their fighting abilities. That's why I also used Funkfreed as an example as he was eaten by a sword, meaning the amount of physical abilities he received from its "eater", are practically zero. Funkfreed only obtained the ability to turn his trunk into a blade. Franky easily disposed of Funkfreed.
Yes elephants and giraffes are much bigger than tigers or wolves and can summon more direct strength, but on the other side wolves and tigers are much more quicker and agiler. Hence saying that elephants > tigers or giraffes > wolves means absolutely nothing.
I wasn't talking about black horns. The ones I marked in that picture had white horns akin to Jack.
I agree that the skill of the user determines how strong one can be after consuming a fruit. My point is that potential of the fruit also plays a crucial role. I was strictly talking about the over all potential of the fruit itself. Kaku might be more skilled with legs so is Jyabra but he can't draw anywhere near as much power as Kaku despite being nearly as powerful and as killed as Kaku in base. And I bet he can never hope to bring forth as much power even if his legs/hands are as predominant as Kaku's legs because his fruit doesn't offer that much power. As I said before, if you have two people with literally same caliber consume an elephant fruit and a tiger fruit then the later will obviously end up being weaker despite the fact that he has as much potential as the former in base.
I agree that animals with smaller build are far more agile than animals with humongous bodies but the fact that they're less powerful than the later remains same and it is less likely they can bag victory in a one on one situation.