DNA and chakra.

Ahmed1993

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Now if they are really different , then how can Orochimaru suck his chakra from Kabuto and bam the Orochimaru's DNA that was in Kabtuo is gone O__O

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hmm..wouldnt that put a dent in the Kabuto helping Sauce theory? (being the unknown shadow?) well i guess not really....he could still be trying to heal Sasuke so far cuz only him, Tsunade, or Karin are Sauce's only hopes right now.....
 

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Simple.

His DNA is still inside him.

He just doesn't have enough of oro's strong chakra to perform these justu.
He used his chakra as a catalyst to bind multiple edo and to enter sage mode.
In sager mode he doesn't have to worry about chakra.

With no chakra,no sage mode,no sage mode no being able to take advantage of juugo's dna that lets him passively absorb chaka meaning no op techniques without any worry.

DNA and chakra are different.
I could go on as to why but,it should be too obvious by now.
 

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oh... thanks , i know what hashirama gave to sasuke now lol. it all makes sense now.
 

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hmm..wouldnt that put a dent in the Kabuto helping Sauce theory? (being the unknown shadow?) well i guess not really....he could still be trying to heal Sasuke so far cuz only him, Tsunade, or Karin are Sauce's only hopes right now.....

Just adding more Senju DNA to the pile, I suppose, as Kabuto has Zetsu spores within him.
 

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Simple.

His DNA is still inside him.

He just doesn't have enough of oro's strong chakra to perform these justu.
He used his chakra as a catalyst to bind multiple edo and to enter sage mode.
In sager mode he doesn't have to worry about chakra.

With no chakra,no sage mode,no sage mode no being able to take advantage of juugo's dna that lets him passively absorb chaka meaning no op techniques without any worry.

DNA and chakra are different.
I could go on as to why but,it should be too obvious by now.

Hmm and what about Hashi's case that Itachi talked about ?
 

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Huh nice find :win:
Hey Ahmed, I would u mind taking a look at the thread in my Sig. Its kinda long :sweat:, but I'd appreciate your input.
 

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I didn't really get your point:sweat: (god I sound so stupid now:shy: )
 

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Orochimaru didn't take any DNA from Kabuto, where you people are getting those things from? He just took his own chakra back that Kabuto sucked out from Anko.
 

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Huh nice find :win:
Hey Ahmed, I would u mind taking a look at the thread in my Sig. Its kinda long :sweat:, but I'd appreciate your input.

On it bro.

I didn't really get your point:sweat: (god I sound so stupid now:shy: )

Basically from Itachi's words and what Oro did to Kabuto , i think that Hashirama's chakra is enough to awaken the Rinnegan
 

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On it bro.



Basically from Itachi's words and what Oro did to Kabuto , i think that Hashirama's chakra is enough to awaken the Rinnegan

Lol I see now, yes it's definetely a possibility =D
 

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Orochimaru didn't take any DNA from Kabuto, where you people are getting those things from? He just took his own chakra back that Kabuto sucked out from Anko.


Well Kabuto had Oro's DNA ( that he injected in himself , go see his flashback ) before he sucked Anko's chakra , but when Oro sucked his chakra away , Kabuto went back to his original self.
 

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I didn't really get your point:sweat: (god I sound so stupid now:shy: )

I think he is saying that gaining someone else's chakra can give the same effects as implanting DNA. Especially since Itachi said that senju Chakra was needed to amplify the use of Kotoamatsukami, and we know Danzo used Senju DNA.
 

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Please have a look at this thread before :


Now if they are really different , then how can Orochimaru suck his chakra from Kabuto and bam the Orochimaru's DNA that was in Kabtuo is gone O__O

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You need to trace back the origins of chakra to understand what happened.

If you need proof, go back to chapter 17 and chapter 90.

Stamina consists in separated spiritual and physical energy.

Once you mold these energies (the classic "Ram" seal), you get chakra.



Look to the chapters that I summoned as proof, and you'll notice that the physical energy comes from 'each cell' of the shinobi.



That solves the mystery of your topic. Chakra type is directly related to DNA.
 
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You need to trace back the origins of chakra to understand what happened.

If you need proof, go back to chapter 17 and chapter 90.

Stamina consists in separated spiritual and physical energy.

Once you mold these energies (the classic "Ram" seal), you get chakra.



Look to the chapters that I summoned as proof, and you'll notice that the physical energy comes from 'each cell' of the shinobi.



That solves the mystery of your topic. Chakra type is directly related to DNA.

To think that all this was explained back then...
So this means Sasuke has high chances of getting the Rinnegan.
Thanks bro.
 

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Don't know man....Kishi is a scrambled rubiks cube....hes a tough nut to crack! XD
 

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Don't know man....Kishi is a scrambled rubiks cube....hes a tough nut to crack! XD

That's for sure Lol
Also go read this thread ( if you have time )


Bottom line , Kishi is far from being simplistic and predictable even in this arc.
 

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To think that all this was explained back then...
So this means Sasuke has high chances of getting the Rinnegan.
Thanks bro.

I have to mention that Chakra is related to DNA, but DNA has properties that Chakra doesn't have.

We have to look into chapter 510 in order to decypher what are the properties that Chakra doesn't have that DNA could have.

First, from chapter 17/90 we know that Chakra consist in a mix of both Spiritual and Physical Energy, yes?

Now, let's go further.

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The properties of Yin and Yang:



Now we know that the Yin power (to create shape from nothingness) consist in Imagination and Spiritual Energy.
Also, we know that the Yang power (to give life to these lifeless shapes) consist in Vitality (Lifeforce) and Physical Energy.

So, a living body (that consist in living DNA) has as components the following things:

Living being = Yin power + Yang power = Imagination + Lifeforce + Spiritual Energy + Physical Energy

And as we know that Spiritual Energy + Physical Energy is "Stamina" (unmolded chakra) we can say that

Living being = Imagination + Lifeforce + Stamina

Now, let's go even further

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The sons of the Sage, which were thinned down generations until they became the Uchiha and the Senju, had certain properties that belonged to the Sage:



The Sage had originally an special body and special eyes. These body and eyes were divided in Yin and Yang respectively, so the sons were born inheriting the Sage's divided properties.

- The Elder got the Sage's Eyes, Powerful Chakra and Spiritual Energy (So, he basically got the Yin of the Sage)
- The Younger got the Sage's Body, Lifeforce and Physical Energy /So, he basically got the Yang of the Sage)

NOTE: Both Elder and Younger Son are live beings, meaning that they are not exclusively made of Yin or Yang power. Both have Yin and Yang, but their Yin and Yang are unbalanced. While the Younger son holds way more yang than yin, the Elder son holds way more yin than yang.

Now, let's go even further down, this is being VERY abstract at this point

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Hagoromo Ootsutsuki, the Sage of Six Paths, was the first human to be born with Chakra in his chakra networks system. Before this, humans merely had Stamina (look at the first part of this answer so you can see the difference). When Hagoromo revealed the secrets of Ninjutsu, he learned the process of transforming his Stamina in Chakra, with the "chakra molding" (this is speculation, but in the current context this is how chakra is created... from stamina. Occam Razor, so let's assume this is the case).



As you can see, it's evident that Hagoromo inherited the Juubi's chakra (or at least part of it) from the God Tree's fruit that his mother ate.

NOTE: At this point of this answer, you should already know that Uchiha and Senju Clans are VERY different from other clans. These two clans, no matter how we look at shinobi in general, owns the Juubi's chakra, even if this property have been thinned generationally. The Senju Clan wields the Yang part (physical energy) and the Uchiha Clan wields the Yin part (spiritual energy), which is hinted in chapter 462.

But at the same time, in the previous point (Chapter 462) we know that these clans wield the Sage's DNA (The Senju wields the Sage's Yang: Lifeforce and Body, while the Uchiha wields the Sage's Yin: The Powerful Chakra and the Eyes).

But what about the Physical and Spiritual Energy of the Sage? There is no point looking at these factors as Sage's Stamina/Chakra, because the Sage's Physical and Spiritual Energy were already considered... it is the Juubi's Chakra, which was in his cells and mind from birth.

Now, let's collect every bit of information to reach a conclusion.

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- Hagoromo awakened the Rinnegan, which Yin part was inherited by the Elder Son as powerful eyes, and the Yang part was inherited by the Younger Son as common eyes.
- Hagoromo wielded an special body, which Yang part was inherited by the Younger Son as a powerful body, and the Yin part was inherited by the Elder Son as a common body.
- Hagoromo had the Juubi's Physical and Spiritual Energy in his DNA from birth
- When Hagoromo created his sons based on his own powers, he divided the Juubi's Chakra. Juubi's Chakra = Uchiha's Chakra + Senju's Chakra.

Conclusion:

- Rinnegan consist in Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA, great amounts of Uchiha's Chakra and a few amount of Senju's Chakra.
- Rinnegan consist mainly in Yin power, reason of why Madara could use this eye with more prowess than Nagato.

...and for your comment about Sasuke:

- Sasuke still needs Senju DNA to have chances of awakening the Rinnegan. Sasuke has more chances of awakening the Elder Son's Doujutsu, which consist only in the Yin part of the Rinnegan, this is: Uchiha DNA + Lot of Uchiha's Chakra + Few Senju's Chakra.

NOTE: Why Lots of Uchiha's Chakra and Few Senju's Chakra? We have to remember what I said referring to Balance of Yin and Yang. There is no Yin without Yang, both Sons had a Shape and Life. So the Yin part of Juubi's chakra consist naturally in a lot of Yin and just a bit of Yang. Do the maths if you have doubts.

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That's what I think. I'm sorry if this answer was too long.
 

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I already said that when sasuke absorbed orochimaru he, absorbed his chakra and got his abilities.
So chakra can turn into DNA
 

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I already said that when sasuke absorbed orochimaru he, absorbed his chakra and got his abilities.
So chakra can turn into DNA

I don't understand the logic of how do you manage to transform chakra into DNA.

Also, where did you get the idea of Sasuke having Orochimaru's DNA? He only got his abilities, not his DNA...

And if you're talking about Itachi's battle, that is another case, because Curse Mark is a medium to unseal Orochimaru, just like the Summoning Technique.
 
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