DMS Kakashi & BM Minato vs Madara & Hashirama

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Except Kkaashi cant warp the entire buddha, so irrelevant
if hes going to warp, then he'll warp hashirama himself, but that gets countered

Except Manga completely disagrees with this claim. regular Kakashi with Kurama cloak could warp something the size of the Juubi give him a rikudo boost SS is warped buddy. The Manga made kamui to overpowered i know.

not without them just standing there
then theres also the issue of chakra, he'll wear himself out in no time if he uses kamui warp this large on top of PS and whatever fanfic scale youre giving him

Kamui is to fast for Madara his evasive speed feats aren't shit plus DMS Kamui cannonly warped something RSM Naruto and Sasuke can't react to goodluck reacting to that Madara. DMS Kakashi can never run out since Obito is the source of his chakra. It gives Kakashi the edo affect. Kakashi is the body while Obito is the supplier. In other words The edo body is the host that hold someone soul/chakra which is why the edo's can't run out of chakra it's the same case for DMS Kakashi here.

Warp himself out of range? its a god damn forest
using kamui itself is bad since he has a limit of intangibility which operates the same way as teleporting i.e moving your body to the other dimension
he has a limti of 5mins, so it gets worse if he goes by that
and leaving the battlefield is an automatic loss by BFR, even if he comes back, its back to phase 1 where kkkashi cant afford to be tangible

So i assume a forest is limitless? Lmao no it's not. It's not even that big[

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]. We already seen Oonoki completely clear it with Jinton[

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]. Shockwave or Bijuudama eradicates it neg diff stop overrating weak abilities. Getting out of range isn't leaving the battlefield stop with these struggle arguments.

madaras PS can also fly as stated by the DB yet that didnt stop SS from beating it
-- lol flight wont let them dodge their attacks
-- lol warp flight is either not happening, or is completely moot since theyre not escaping their AOE and this time will just be defending which is clearly not enough

Madara ps can't fly and even if it could it doesn't have the flight speed that Kakashi's have which is hyped to be above RSM Naruto flight speed and no this isn't fanfic. Naruto says Rabit badger hands are to fast[

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Minato wont be placing markings outside of their AOE, no chance, especially not without madara/hashirama doing anythign

What can they do? Nothing once he gets back their is nothing he can do.

-- Kyuubi cloak wont increase the power of PS since the rikduo chakra would still be the strongest chakra of kakashi so it stays the same, unless you think that kyuubi chakra > rikudo chakra

-- SS that had its hands busting off from 12 TBB managed to do that,
if kakashis susanoo gets pinned down, SS can continue to punch it till it breaks

-- already explained why lol rikudo buff still wont let kakashi tank chojo that easily, not when even rikduo sasukes PS was damaged by an attack nowhere near madara/hashiramas vote clash

Why wouldn't? It's an addition to the current power. BM Kurama chakra shits on Senjutsu yet BSM Naruto still gets stronger when senjutsu is added. Kakashi susanoo is never getting pinned down especially not by Hoti gates when he can evade them or chop them to pieces with his Susanoo. The attack that damaged Sasuke Ps shits on anything SS has had to face.

unless yu can explain how these markings are set, this isnt happening
though any explanation would be useless here since its an absurd assumption

He can use kamui to warp they don't need ftg. Sasuke has shown that users can still using there MS techs while inside Susanoo[

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Wait so now kakashi has to say ill make the juubis head vanish? yeah i cant take you seriously anymore
he was aiming at juubis head, he cantt warp the entire thing when with a kyuubi cloak just hachibi was his limit
and juubi >>>>>>> hachibi in size

stop putting my arguments as assumptions when youre the only one here making nonsensical claims

Yes since that is what your claiming he said he'll make the Juubi vanish you and kidgamer keep trying to downplay this so Hashirama and Madara won't get fodderized but it's not my fault Kishi overpowered Kamui. LOL kAKASHI DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CLOAK WHEN HE WARPED HACHIBI[

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] LOOOL IT TOOK YOU A DAY TO COME UP WITH MORE NONSENSE SMHH.. Then we have this chapter where Kakashi states that it's much more powerful than before[

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]. Your argument has just been killed.

madara and hashirama are even above bsm naruto/ems sasuke in reactions the latter who reacted and tagged juubito, who is easily faster than kamuis formation and warp speed
hell just minato was able to enter senjutsu, toss a kunai and teleport to it before kakashi could even finish his kamui warp

No they are not. This is DMS Kamui which speed has been shown to be on a different level. RSM Naruto couldn't enter Kaguya warp hole while Obito was able to do so at this[

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]. Kakashi cannonly warped something that neither Naruto or Sasuke couldn't react to[

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]. Let's assume there reactions were on that level DMS Kakashi already blitzed Kaguya[

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Except SS hands span over multiple mountain ranges so its more than enough
not sure how does the TBB counter even work here when the distance kaakshi covered from susanoo doesnt suggest in any way that he can outrun their blast radius

Stretching over multiple mountain ranges doesn't mean he can't warp out of it's range when he can literally warp ANYWHERE he wants to. How many times must i say this to you for you to get it. How come? He cannonly did something in the speed department that RSM Naruto couldn't even do.

it is.
llol rikduo PS flight speed is nothing special

to counter FTG, u need AOE. which madara and hashirama have more than enough of
the lol warp is only happenign in your fantasies

Because their long range nukes are based on minatos TBB who can only toss 5.
rikduo PS blades are irrelevant when they just coat them up so they cant be tossed
SS would straight up overpower those and eradicate PS-Kyuubi on top of madaras own 12 TBB

How isn't it special when it's above RSM Naruto flight speed. ftg wouldn't hardly need to be used here so that doesn't matter. Except it won't since regular Ps blade easily ripped through SS in cannon. Minato and Kakashi entire gameplan is to stall and snipe and that is going to work perfectly.

kakashi tries to warp,
madara detects built up
madara swings his PS blade as he gets hit and the warp is cancelled

Ps swinging speed is no where near fast enough to stop kamui. This is DMS Kakashi he can snipe while being intangible so even if he could pull the swing out in time it would just slip right through Madara so gtfoh.

*_* Lol learn what baseless means
THeir vote attacks are clearly inferior,
naruto and sasukes construct durbaility is irrelevant here since i never mentioned that,

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looking at the mountains its clear that madara and hashiramas attack yielded a greater explosion
whats worse is that madara/hashiramas explosion represents the radius, whilst naruto/sasukes represents the diameter AND the fact that chojo kobetsu formed a crater which became VOTE

if naruto.sasukes constructs were damaged by an explosion smaller than VOTE1 clash, then theyre sufferring greater damages to VOTE1, and kakashi suffers even more damages since his PS is less durable to RSM avatar and sasukes PS

and Lol what? chojo busted PS not even sure what kind of manga youre reading but its not the one im discussing

Those scans means shit when Sasuke and Naruto constructs were caught in a mountain dwarfing Rikudo explosion. The potency of their combined attack shits on what happened at vote plus RSM Kurama cannonly proved it's superior durability than SS. Those punches didn't form that crater the shockwaves and the Bijuudama's did so gtfoh boy. Ps was only half way ripped open[

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]. A Rikudo ps tanks anything with ease.

THey can attack kakashi in that formation time to get rid of his focus and cancel the warp

Why are you so fixated on the nonsensical idea of kamui warping the entire SS?
when it nothing but fanfic

lol no it doesnt,
kakaashi tries sending 4 kamui shuriken, who can only counter 4 arms
996 arms then land and continue to punch PS till it shatters

No they can't since they have no speed over DMS Kamui which sniped Kaguya's portal bone. The build up for kamui is non existent. It's not fanfic and i've proven that so yea get new defensive arguments. How many times must i tell you he won't use kamui shurikens on SS hands no point.

Madaras 12 PS TBB >>> Minatos 5 TBB
madaras PS was busted completely so shitty point
susnaoo blade adds no power to TBB nor do 4 kamui shurikens provide sufficient offense to counter 12 TBB and 1000 chojo hands

already addressed this BS

Why must you keep repeating arguments that have been debunked and pooped on? No it wasn't busted completely when we can see half of Kurama body covered in Ps? You blind in one eye bruh? You addressed it? no you didn't all you did was make yourself look like a damn fool denying manga facts.

sure but not above SS and Kyuubi on top of madaras PS

thenn kakashis PS sword can fit to make it tossable so SS will grab it and toss it away
and no, kyuubis 12 TBB >> minatos flash TBB

This makes no sense. Once again repeated an argument that has already been countered and shitted on.

considering kamui cant see it nor can it identify it since its from an invisbile world,yeah it shits on it

it wont be used when PS is out

kakashi cant see it, so no direct hit, baseless point anyway

Limbo can't get through kamui intangibility so it's useless. He always going to have ps up so Limbo is useless here like i said. Doesn't have to sense it when it can't hurt him at all while he's inside Ps.

those CT were the size of shinju trunk at best
those PS slashes were tanked by RSM avatar with no damages,
VOTE1 clash >> VOTE2 clash >>>> PS slashes
so PS slashes from sasuke dont do much

proof?

already addressed, stop repeating the same thing over and over again

clearly talking about pre buff

Shinjuu trunk is bigger than vote2 explosion so what your saying is irrelevant. That proves that RSM Naruto avatar is much more durable than SS since it tanked Rikudo ps blades while SS was shredded by regular Ps blades. You can stop posting because you been defeated.

 

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What a joke post ill have my reply in like 10mins but you claim Madara ps can fly and yet it was hit by SS LMAO.

1- Madara Ps can't fly.

Dataabook claims that it can, so we use an official source over your BS

2- He charged SS like an idiot and that's why he was caught.

He charged SS by shooting 12 PS-TBB at it, he only did so because running out of was impossible and much worse

 

[lelerskates]

Kakashi solos. They have nothing that can touch him. He blitzed kaguya so blitzing hashi and then Madara is easy and will be done in under 30 seconds. And to those saying his chakra is lacking.... Its not in this case Minato feeds him chakra and its even easier. Minato can sit there and feed Kakashi chakra.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Dataabook claims that it can, so we use an official source over your BS

He charged SS by shooting 12 PS-TBB at it, he only did so because running out of was impossible and much worse

Databook also claim Itachi is invincible to do you think Edo Itachi can beat SM Hashirama? Nope you can't pick and choose which logic from the databook you want to follow behide. You either agree with all of it or none of it.

Even if his Ps could fly it still lacks the speed feats that Kakashi's have which is hyped to be above RSM Naruto speed level.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kakashi solos. They have nothing that can touch him. He blitzed kaguya so blitzing hashi and then Madara is easy and will be done in under 30 seconds. And to those saying his chakra is lacking.... Its not in this case Minato feeds him chakra and its even easier. Minato can sit there and feed Kakashi chakra.

I agree these clowns on the base that thinks vote Hashirama and Madara can take out Rikudo chars. Shit needs to end.

 

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I agree these clowns on the base that thinks vote Hashirama and Madara can take out Rikudo chars. Shit needs to end.

These fegs are on some good drugs. We need to find their dealer and pop some of dem Mollys to feel like them!

 

[KidGamer65]

Once he has a Kyuubi cloak his Kamui shurikens gets super sized and so does their aoe which would be enough to take out all of Madara projectiles. He can opt to dodge them Bladed Bijuudama aren't a problem for Kakashi Ps when it's flying speed is hyped to be above RSM Naruto level. Not really how does Hashirama stop themselves from getting their constructs sniped once Kakashi stores enough chakra? SS is never landing a hit when i already mention that Minato and Kakashi would teleport back and get their distance once the battle starts. That was debris SS arms can't stretch through that range you pointed out and even if it could warping back would always be a counter for SS reach.

Based on would they become large enough to warp all of Madara's Bijuu Dama? Oh wait, that's you making assumptions again. Newsflash. We don't debate with assumptions with weak ground to stand on. Not to mention Kurama's chakra isn't going to affect a shinobi with as powerful chakra as DMS Kakashi as it would MS Kakashi or some fodder. Just how sharing Kurama's chakra to someone like Hagoromo would do less for him than it would Kakashi.

RSM Naruto isn't fast enough to escape that explosion so why would being faster than him even matter? Being able to escape the actual balls don't matter. And no, that wasn't debris that was an explosion.

Fine, they teleport away. What then? :lol. Bijuu Dama's is a projectile. If they stay that far away then we can forget about them doing anything meaningful to Kakashi, and if it ever comes to attrition then Kakashi and Minato aren't going to outlast Hashirama and Madara. DMS Kakashi's chakra in terms of amount is not on par with Hashirama's and it's not even close.

Minato can't maintain his Avatar longer than Hashirama can maintain Shinsuusenju. Madara doesn't even need to keep Susanoo up in this case because the explosive power of Kurama's Bijuu Dama is his best friend here. Kakashi has to keep Susanoo up or he dies. Minato needs to keep his Avatar up or he dies.

Either they stay away and die eventually, or they come fight and they get killed. If you think marking far away and then teleporting back and forth to dodge SS and PS is going to work then all you'll be left with is your team running out of chakra. :lol And of course you've yet to actually show that Kakashi can warp Shinsuusenju. By feats he caps out at the Juubi. Kamui works on chakra amount. That little piece of chakra he got from Madara isn't going to take him from Juubi sized constructs to SS sized constructs.

How come it doesn't? Once their fusion happen it would be the same size as Hachibi which we already seen him warp. Bad example since that's using abilities through Susanoo which is completely different than what im talking about. Im referring to the Ms user using their Ms techs inside a Susanoo which was cannonly shown. Obito chakra is never depleting since it literally comes from an outside source. It like how Edo's don't run out of chakra even though their real chakra and soul resides inside the edo papers that's basically what DMS Kakashi is like.

MS techs aren't the same, so those aren't evidence of your claim. No one ever said he can't use Kamui anyway. There's just zero evidence of him being able to warp himself and his Avatar using Kamui, while he's actually using said avatar. And lmao cut that Obito shit argument out because it's the most desperate reach I've seen in this entire thread. Based on nothing. You don't even know how Edo Tensei's unlimited chakra factor works for you to even claim any of this in the first place. If his chakra depletes it's GG.

 

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Based on would they become large enough to warp all of Madara's Bijuu Dama? Oh wait, that's you making assumptions again. Newsflash. We don't debate with assumptions with weak ground to stand on. Not to mention Kurama's chakra isn't going to affect a shinobi with as powerful chakra as DMS Kakashi as it would MS Kakashi or some fodder. Just how sharing Kurama's chakra to someone like Hagoromo would do less for him than it would Kakashi.

RSM Naruto isn't fast enough to escape that explosion so why would being faster than him even matter? Being able to escape the actual balls don't matter. And no, that wasn't debris that was an explosion.

Fine, they teleport away. What then? :lol. Bijuu Dama's is a projectile. If they stay that far away then we can forget about them doing anything meaningful to Kakashi, and if it ever comes to attrition then Kakashi and Minato aren't going to outlast Hashirama and Madara. DMS Kakashi's chakra in terms of amount is not on par with Hashirama's and it's not even close.

Minato can't maintain his Avatar longer than Hashirama can maintain Shinsuusenju. Madara doesn't even need to keep Susanoo up in this case because the explosive power of Kurama's Bijuu Dama is his best friend here. Kakashi has to keep Susanoo up or he dies. Minato needs to keep his Avatar up or he dies.

Either they stay away and die eventually, or they come fight and they get killed. If you think marking far away and then teleporting back and forth to dodge SS and PS is going to work then all you'll be left with is your team running out of chakra. :lol And of course you've yet to actually show that Kakashi can warp Shinsuusenju. By feats he caps out at the Juubi. Kamui works on chakra amount. That little piece of chakra he got from Madara isn't going to take him from Juubi sized constructs to SS sized constructs.



MS techs aren't the same, so those aren't evidence of your claim. No one ever said he can't use Kamui anyway. There's just zero evidence of him being able to warp himself and his Avatar using Kamui, while he's actually using said avatar. And lmao cut that Obito shit argument out because it's the most desperate reach I've seen in this entire thread. Based on nothing. You don't even know how Edo Tensei's unlimited chakra factor works for you to even claim any of this in the first place. If his chakra depletes it's GG.

Kakashi solos

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao and this is just scenario 1. Give Madara Rinnegan, Sage Mode, Mokuton and Full Kurama and he'd come close to soloing this match let alone with Hashirama's help.

 

[lelerskates]

Lmao and this is just scenario 1. Give Madara Rinnegan, Sage Mode, Mokuton and Full Kurama and he'd come close to soloing this match let alone with Hashirama's help.

No one is soloing Kakashi without regeneration and if they have regen he sends them to another dimension. Nobody on either team has speed feats with these version of their characters better than Kakashis.

 

[KidGamer65]

No one is soloing Kakashi without regeneration and if they have regen he sends them to another dimension. Nobody on either team has speed feats with these version of their characters better than Kakashis.

What an amazingly compelling argument! I'm left with no choice but to agree.

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:lol Yeah, no. Your argument is trash.

 

[lelerskates]

What an amazingly compelling argument! I'm left with no choice but to agree.

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:lol Yeah, no. Your argument is trash.

Says the drake fan. There is more talent in the fart sounds my ******* makes than the diarrhea that Drake spews from his Toronto raised ***** hole. Your opinion automatically went into the dumpster heap when you acknowledged Drake as someone to be acknowledged. Now suck my **** you inbred hick monkey.

PS.Kakashi solos

 

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The Mazo is about twice as tall as a Bijuu. That Mountain Sandwich is about as twice as tall as the Mazo. Mountains dwarf Bijuu in size and it's not even close. So there's absolutely no way that Kitsuchi's Mountain Sandwich dwarfs actual Mountains.

Lmao what are you talking about? Kurama was never shown to be as large as any Mountain, and Juubi's main body being much larger than Kurama is based on nothing anyway.

Which isn't going to happen when all 1000 of it's fists are obliterating Kakashi and his Susano.

But this is all pointless unless Team 2 is granted intel on Kamui.

-Mountain size was never stated to be standard in all areas ,actually manga proved that some mountains are much bigger than others .
When Buddha held kuarma up we had a direct comparison between Budhaa and biju size .
These scans show that jiubi's hand is easily big enough to catch a biju just like Buddha main body 's hand which means it is fine to say that jiubi's main body is at least as big as budhha's main body

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- this scan shows kuarma being comparable to mountains in size

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Yeah jiubi is much bigger than kuarma ,I already posted scans show jiubi dwarfing biju in size ,kuarma is just another biju .

-Not when kakashi and his PS would be keeping a distance from the Buddha ,kakashi has range advantage over Buddha .Buddha is too slow while connected to its backpack .and his arms has no feats of catching Kakashi's PS which was able to easily outspeed kaguya's rappit arms whose speed were hyped in the manga by Naruto .not to mention that there would be already a distance between PS and Buddha when Hashirama summons it which would make it even easier for PS to get out of Buddha's reach .if madara tried to attack Kakashi's PS with his TTB barrage ,kakashi counters them easily with kamui shurukins and evades getting hit directly by whatever left though there would be no left TTB after getting blocked by 4 or even more kamui shurukins .

 

[Eng nawashi]

-Building up chakra for human + sized kamui is too fast for Hashirama to react ,use hand seals and protect Madara with mouktun .Hashirama isnt svaing Madara If kakashi tried to snipe Madara while camping inside his ISO susano .

As for larger kamui's ,Hiding behind some mouktun would be never a valid counter for Kamui .it was shown that dojutsu user can choose not to use his jutsu directly after building up chakra to his eye . before sealing kaguya ,sasuke built up the chakra to his eye for amatrasu just in case Kaguya teleported them to Ice dimension to save the time required for building up chakra .if kakashi wanted to rip Madara's iso susano off and Hashirama could sense the build up chakra ,react and hide Madara PS behind some mouktun .Kakashi can wait until Susano shows up again then one shots it with the already pre-charged kamui .

-Kakashi would beat DRSM Madara Mid diff at most .how strong is Madara's PS would be is almost Irrelevant since it would gets its head warped or ripped off with long rang kamui once Madara manifests it .and as I explained neither Madara or Hashirama can't protect PS from getting sniped .not to mention that Madara has no scale feats to cover his whole PS with mouktun but this is irrelevent anyway .

- FTW isn't one shotting avatar-less Kakashi at all .kakashi can easily cover his nose with his hand(which was shown to be a counter in the manga) then get out of the range by either phasing through the ground , teleportingor or even on foot .or he can travel to every flower by either double teleportation or by phasing through the ground then destroy it .

 

[KidGamer65]

-Mountain size was never stated to be standard in all areas ,actually manga proved that some mountains are much bigger than others .
When Buddha held kuarma up we had a direct comparison between Budhaa and biju size .
These scans show that jiubi's hand is easily big enough to catch a biju just like Buddha main body 's hand which means it is fine to say that jiubi's main body is at least as big as budhha's main body

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And this affects your argument how? :lol. The standard Mountain shown whenever Bijuu Dama is shown wrecking a Mountain isn't as small as Kitsuchi's sandwich and I've already made a comparison between the Juubi's body, the sandwich, the Mazo and the Bijuu. Weak comparisons like this don't hold.

Juubi's hand being able to hold a Bijuu doesn't make it's main body as large as SS. That kind of logic is weak and you are practically ignoring what my post said, so go back and actually address that before you reply again.

- this scan shows kuarma being comparable to mountains in size

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Yeah jiubi is much bigger than kuarma ,I already posted scans show jiubi dwarfing biju in size ,kuarma is just another biju .

No, it doesn't. Quit using inconsistent scans to prove your point. If that scan was valid then we'd be saying Kurama is much larger than SS's hand, but it isn't because SS grabbed Kurama and lifted him with a single hand. Kurama isn't even close to being comparable to Mountains. Not to mention Full Kurama dwarfs half Kurama so all these comparisons make no sense.

"Kurama is just another Bijuu".

:lol. Boy if you dont get out of here with this nonsense.

-Not when kakashi and his PS would be keeping a distance from the Buddha ,kakashi has range advantage over Buddha .Buddha is too slow while connected to its backpack .and his arms has no feats of catching Kakashi's PS which was able to easily outspeed kaguya's rappit arms whose speed were hyped in the manga by Naruto .not to mention that there would be already a distance between PS and Buddha when Hashirama summons it which would make it even easier for PS to get out of Buddha's reach .if madara tried to attack Kakashi's PS with his TTB barrage ,kakashi counters them easily with kamui shurukins and evades getting hit directly by whatever left though there would be no left TTB after getting blocked by 4 or even more kamui shurukins .

Which is 100% irrelevant because Madara's attacks are ranged and will accomplish the same result. Kakashi's only ranged attack is Kamui Shuriken which Madara or Hashirama can easily block. And of course the last sentence is based on literally nothing.

-No feats that let Kakashi evade an explosion range as large as what was shown in the Manga.
-No evidence Kakashi can throw more than 4 Shuriken at once. So he blocks 4, and the other 6 hit him.
-No evidence that Kakashi can warp SS with Kamui.

Building up chakra for human + sized kamui is too fast for Hashirama to react ,use hand seals and protect Madara with mouktun .Hashirama isnt svaing Madara If kakashi tried to snipe Madara while camping inside his ISO susano .

No, it's not. Based on nothing as usual. Obito noticed Kamui and reacted with his own all before Naruto was warped with it. Hashirama and Madara>Obito in reaction speed and it's not even close. Hashirama senses the build up, claps his hands and block's his line of sight to Madara.

As for larger kamui's ,Hiding behind some mouktun would be never a valid counter for Kamui .it was shown that dojutsu user can choose not to use his jutsu directly after building up chakra to his eye . before sealing kaguya ,sasuke built up the chakra to his eye for amatrasu just in case Kaguya teleported them to Ice dimension to save the time required for building up chakra .if kakashi wanted to rip Madara's iso susano off and Hashirama could sense the build up chakra ,react and hide Madara PS behind some mouktun .Kakashi can wait until Susano shows up again then one shots it with the already pre-charged kamui .

It was shown that Sasuke can do that with Amaterasu. Not that Kakashi can do that with Kamui. Not like it matters because once they sense the build up, their protection goes up until Kakashi releases it.

-Kakashi would beat DRSM Madara Mid diff at most .how strong is Madara's PS would be is almost Irrelevant since it would gets its head warped or ripped off with long rang kamui once Madara manifests it .and as I explained neither Madara or Hashirama can't protect PS from getting sniped .not to mention that Madara has no scale feats to cover his whole PS with mouktun but this is irrelevent anyway .

PS is completely irrelevant. Kakashi gets nuked by Kurama and Chibaku Tensei. Kamui is blocked if Kurama is targeted or he swaps with Limbo if he's targeted.

- FTW isn't one shotting avatar-less Kakashi at all .kakashi can easily cover his nose with his hand(which was shown to be a counter in the manga) then get out of the range by either phasing through the ground , teleportingor or even on foot .or he can travel to every flower by either double teleportation or by phasing through the ground then destroy it .

:lol Covering your nose with your hand doesn't block out all air so this counter is terrible. Not to mention this was never ever shown to be a counter in the Manga. So the rest is irrelevant. The fact you are reaching this far shows that Kakashi isn't as strong as his fans believe he is. :lol

 

[Eng nawashi]

And this affects your argument how? :lol. The standard Mountain shown whenever Bijuu Dama is shown wrecking a Mountain isn't as small as Kitsuchi's sandwich and I've already made a comparison between the Juubi's body, the sandwich, the Mazo and the Bijuu. Weak comparisons like this don't hold.

Juubi's hand being able to hold Bijuu doesn't make it's main body as large as SS. That kind of logic is weak and you are practically ignoring what my post said, so go back and actually address that before you reply again

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Buddha's hand is only big enough to catch Bijuu which means Jiubi's hand being big enough to easily hold Bijuu is a proof that Jiubi's main body is at least as big as Buddha's main body .I ignored what you said in your previous post because 1. You assumed that the sandwich which Kitsuchi used on Jiubi is as big as the one he used on the Gedo 2. You use mountain size as a standard while it proved to be inconsistent many times .My comparison involves no assumption ,only clear Manga scans .

No, it doesn't. Quit using inconsistent scans to prove your point. If that scan was valid then we'd be saying Kurama is much larger than SS's hand, but it isn't because SS grabbed Kurama and lifted him with a single hand.

Now you admit that mountain size is sometimes inconsistent .that what you do whenever someone use your mountain logic against you .my comparison involves no mountains so I don't care how big Kuarma is compared to the inconsistent mountains .

Kurama isn't even close to being comparable to Mountains. Not to mention Full Kurama dwarfs half Kurama so all these comparisons make no sense.

Now yo
"Kurama is just another Bijuu".

:lol. Boy if you dont get out of here with this nonsense

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Full Kuarma's hand is as big as Bunta's hand .Full Kuarma's head is as big as Bunta's .guess how big is Bunta!? Bunta's head and hand arw just as big as Shukaku's head and hand respectively .so yeah Kuarma is just another Biju size wise .
Non sense!!? What makes much more sense is Kuarma dwarfing other Bijuus and being comparable to Jiubi's size .:lol

Which is 100% irrelevant because Madara's attacks are ranged and will accomplish the same result. Kakashi's only ranged attack is Kamui Shuriken which Madara or Hashirama can easily block. And of course the last sentence is based on literally nothing

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I meant long range Kamui by Kakashi's ranged attacks and no Madara's ranged attacks are easily countred or evaded .

-No feats that let Kakashi evade an explosion range as large as what was shown in the Manga.

Except that I never said Kakashi's PS would evade the explosion. he doesn't need to evade any explosion because there would be none ,at least not where his PS is .Kakashi's PS is a single target which means Madara's TTB barrage would be fired in a single line .if Kakashi'a PS evaded this line ,no TTB would hit Kakashi's PS and thus there would be no explosion .

-No evidence Kakashi can throw more than 4 Shuriken at once. So he blocks 4, and the other 6 hit him.

And how many TTB can Madara fire at once!!? Kuarma has one mouth so the answer is one TTB ,Madara doesn't fire his 12 TTB simultaneously ,he fires them successively .Kakashi can fire four Shurukins simultaneously so if there is enough distance ,Kakashi can fire four Shurukins and follow them with another four .
Not mention that four Kamui Shurkins wouldn't just warp four TTB .they would warp more than that if there isnt large distance between every TTB and the other.anyway Kakashi doesn't need to waste his Chakra on warping TTB barrage when his PS can easily evade them as explained ,

-No evidence that Kakashi can warp SS with Kamui

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Addressed .even if he,with the maximum amount of Chakra Minato can share with him ,can't warp the whole Buddha at once ,he would warp it chunk by chunk .

No, it's not. Based on nothing as usual. Obito noticed Kamui and reacted with his own all before Naruto was warped with it. Hashirama and Madara>Obito in reaction speed and it's not even close. Hashirama senses the build up, claps his hands and block's his line of sight to Madara.

first off ,the Kamui that Obito noticed isn't the one that warped Naruto clone since there was distortion only on the Rasengan while there is always distortion around Kamui's target .Kakashi acted as he would warp the Rasengan and made it too slow and noticable for Obito in order to fool him and make him think that he was going to warp the Rasengan as before .when the stake was about to hit the clone ,Kakashi used another Kamui on the clone and warped it too fast that Obito couldn't notice the clone getting warped .he thought it was hit by the stake and vanished.just imagine it .the stake is just an inch from hitting Naruto who is directly infront of Obito ,Naruto disappears and the stake continues without Obito noticing shit .he didn't notice any part of Naruto 's body getting warped that he still though that Kakashi's intention was to warp the Rasengan .he didn't even realise that kakashi's intention was to warp Naruto.the warping was undoubtedly instant in Obito's eyes ,if the case was as you think that Obito noticed the warping on the Rasengan because Kamui warping is always that slow ,then why didn't Obito notice the clone while getting warped !!!? Why didn't he notice the Rasengan getting warped at the first time and thought that Naruto stopped it !!!? If Kamui's warping speed is fixed then why Obito got surprised by Kakashi's clone warping speed since he saw the warping speed on the Rasengan a second before !!!? Why Obito stated that he would be faster the next time, when he failed to warp Minato the first time !!!?(there was an implication that Obito would make Kamui faster than Minato can react and teleport ) why would Obito try to warp Minato again after failing in the first time despite the surprise and no Intel advantage that he had with the first attempt!!!!?


So no Hashirama isnot sensing the build up ,reacting ,clapping his hand and create Mouktun big enough to cover Madara's ISO Susano before Kakashi warps Madara's head .Not a chance .

It was shown that Sasuke can do that with Amaterasu. Not that Kakashi can do that with Kamui. Not like it matters because once they sense the build up, their protection goes up until Kakashi releases it.

Kamui has build up Chakra and can be sensed because similar Dojutsu (Amatrasu )has build up Chakra and can be sensed .Amatradu user can build up Chakra for his Amatrasu as fast as Kamui user builds up Chakra for Kamui because they are both Dojutsu .now this is Sasuke and Amatrasu not Kakashi and Kamui :lol

their protection goes up until Kakashi releases his Kamui and Kakashi wouldn't release his Kamui until Madara's PS shows up ,or Kakashi simply destroys whatever Madara's PS hides behind with shockwaves then rips his ISO Susano off with the pre-charged Kamui .or kakashi does so everytime he needs some privacy Lmfao .

PS is completely irrelevant. Kakashi gets nuked by Kurama and Chibaku Tensei. Kamui is blocked if Kurama is targeted or he swaps with Limbo if he's targeted

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I didn't consider Kuarma but his TTB gets evaded as explained before .CT gets destroyed by PS slashes or Kakashi simply warps the core once Madara releases it from his hand .Madara's covering Kuarma with Mouktun to protect him from Kakashi's Kamui is addressed .how is swapping with limbo is a counter for Kamui !!? Can he really swap with limbo as Sasuke's Ameno does!? Anyway Kakashi kills Madara with PS slash anytime he isn't using Susano whether because it was ripped off by Kamui or because he choose not to use it as you say .

:lol Covering your nose with your hand doesn't block out all air so this counter is terrible. Not to mention this was never ever shown to be a counter in the Manga. So the rest is irrelevant. The fact you are reaching this far shows that Kakashi isn't as strong as his fans believe he is. :lol

"Don't breathe the pollen " Ohnoki stated . Kakashi wouldn't breathe the pollen by either holding his breath or squeezing his nose using his fingers and yes that would block out all air . .Gokage were only affected because they were forced to breathe it when Madara hit them with Susano .Kakashi would be intangible so no one is going to hit him .
So The rest is completely relevant as it explains how Kakashi would escape the Jutsu's range or destroy the flowers .

 

[Edogawa]

Says the drake fan. There is more talent in the fart sounds my ******* makes than the diarrhea that Drake spews from his Toronto raised ***** hole. Your opinion automatically went into the dumpster heap when you acknowledged Drake as someone to be acknowledged. Now suck my **** you inbred hick monkey.

PS.Kakashi solos

Haha, this is gold. I might like you for enough for abusing the Liberian gamer.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Buddha's hand is only big enough to catch Bijuu which means Jiubi's hand being big enough to easily hold Bijuu is a proof that Jiubi's main body is at least as big as Buddha's main body .I ignored what you previous post because 1. You assumed that the sandwich which Kitsuchi used on Jiubi is as big as the one he used on the Gedo 2. You use mountain size as a standard while it proved to be inconsistent many times .My comparison involves no assumption ,only clear Manga scans .

No, it's not. Hand size and body size aren't the same nor does two things being able to hold the same sized object mean that they are the same size overall. That's terrible logic.

1. There is no reason to believe Kitsuchi's jutsu magically changed size. :lol So if you want to believe it's bigger show me that it's bigger, otherwise your opinions on the matter are irrelevant.

2. And lmao you should really stop grasping at straws now sonny boy. Kitsuchi's Mountain Sandwich is not

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size. That's how large the Mountains are compared to the Bijuu Dama's explosion.

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are Bijuu compared to their own explosions.

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is, again, Mountain Sandwich compared to something barely twice the size of a Bijuu. We have

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standard sized explosion compared to the surrounding

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at VoTe. Show me an actual inconsistency or don't talk about inconsistencies at all.

A kneeling Juubi is shorter by a good amount than the Mountain sized Mountain Sandwich. Standing tall the Juubi would be about two times as tall as said Mountain Sized construct. Shinsuusenju sitting down is over twice as tall and large as Mountains. You literally have no point here.

The Mazo is about twice as tall as a Bijuu. That Mountain Sandwich is about as twice as tall as the Mazo. Mountains dwarf Bijuu in size and it's not even close. So there's absolutely no way that Kitsuchi's Mountain Sandwich dwarfs actual Mountains.

The Juubi is a bit larger than a Mountain Sized technique.

Of course, you have no counter so you resort to talking about inconsistencies when in reality you have no idea what you are talking about or how there is even an inconsistency to begin with. My comparison uses the Mountain Sandwich and one instance of Mountains as a comparison. So unless you can come up with some magical explanation for why Mountain Sandwich's size is inconsistent compared to those specific Mountains you have no point.

Now you admit that mountain size is sometimes inconsistent .that what you do whenever someone use your mountain logic against you .my comparison involves no mountains so I don't care how big Kuarma is compared to the inconsistent mountains .

Lmao how pathetic. Kurama's size is the inconsistent size there. No one said anything about the Mountains. Your comparison is garbage and is literally based on nothing but hand size. So hilariously foolish. The Juubi in it's second form is larger than it is in it's 1st form yet it can't life Full Kurama with it's hand.

And we still have the fact that Full Kurama>>>Half Kurama in size, so if I used your dumb logic SS>>>Juubi in size.

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Full Kuarma's hand is as big as Bunta's hand .Full Kuarma's head is as big as Bunta's .guess how big is Bunta!? Bunta's head and hand is just as big as Shukaku's head and hand respectively .so yeah Kuarma is just another Bijuu when it comes to their size .
Non sense!!? What makes much more sense is Kuarma dwarfing other Bijuus and being comparable to Jiubi's size .

Half Kurama is shown to be as large as the other Bijuu, thus Full Kurama is larger. End of story. Not interested in your flawed comparisons with inconsistent scans so if you want to continue to argue this you can take it up with Kishimoto.
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I meant long range Kamui by Kakashi's ranged attacks and no Madara's ranged attacks are easily countred or evaded .

Based on what again? Oh wait, nothing but this ridiculous argument.

Except that I never said Kakashi's PS would evade the explosion. he doesn't need to evade any explosion because there would be none ,at least not where his PS is .Kakashi's PS is a single target which means Madara's TTB barrage would be fired in a single line .if Kakashi'a PS evaded this line ,no TTB would hit Kakashi's PS and thus there would be no explosion .

If Madara fires in a downward trajectory then it'll hit the ground even if he misses, thus there will be an explosion.

And how many TTB can Madara fire at once!!? Kuarma has one mouth and Madara's PS has just two swords so the answer is one TTB ,Madara doesn't fire his 12 TTB simultaneously ,he fires them successively .Kakashi can fire four Shurukins simultaneously so if there is enough distance ,Kakashi can fire four Shurukins and follow them with another four .
Not mention that four Kamui Shurkins wouldn't just warp four TTB .they would warp more than that if there isnt large distance between every TTB and the other.anyway Kakashi doesn't need to waste his Chakra on warping TTB barrage when his PS can easily evade them as explained ,

Madara was shown on panel firing all those Bijuu Dama at the same time or in rapid succession. If all you are going to do is blatantly deny what occurs on panel then please don't reply to me again.

-Bijuu Dama are fired.
-Shuriken are fired.
-4 Shuriken take out 4-6 Bijuu Dama.
-The rest hit Kakashi.
-Madara rinses and repeats.
-Eventually Kakashi dies.

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Addressed .even if he,with the maximum amount of Chakra Minato can share with him ,can't warp the whole Buddha at once ,he would warp it chunk by chunk .

Addressed.

first off ,the Kamui that Obito noticed isn't the one that warped Naruto clone since there was distortion only on the Rasengan while there is always distortion around Kamui's target .Kakashi acted as he would warp the Rasengan and made it too slow and noticable for Obito in order to fool him and make him thinks that he was going to warp the Rasengan as before .when the stake was about to hit the clone ,Kakashi used another Kamui on the clone and warped it too fast that Obito couldn't notice the clone getting warped .he thought it was hit by the stake and vanished.just imagine it .the stake is just an inch from hitting Naruto who is directly infront of Obito ,Naruto disappears and the stake continues without Obito noticing shit .he didn't notice any part of Naruto 's body getting warped that he still though that Kakashi's intention was to warp the Rasengan .the warping was undoubtedly instant in Obito's eyes ,if the case was as you think that Obito noticed the warping on the Rasengan because Kamui warping is always that slow ,then why didn't Obito notice the clone while getting warped !!!? Why didn't he notice the Rasengan getting warped at the first time and thought that Naruto stopped it !!!? If Kamui's warping speed is fixed then why Obito got surprised by Kakashi's clone warping speed if he saw the warping speed on the Rasengan a second before !!!? Why Obito stated that he would be faster the next time, when he failed to warp Minato the first time !!!?(there was an implication that Obito would make Kamui faster than Minato can react and teleport ) why would Obito try to warp Minato again after failing in the first time despite the surprise and no Intel advantage that he had with the first attempt!!!!?

Lmao. A bunch of fanfiction. Here's what the Manga shows:

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-Kakashi uses Kamui.
-Rasengan starts to be warped.
-Obito reacts.
-Uses stake.
-It's revealed that the entire clone was the target, not just the Rasengan.

Show me where Kakashi used Kamui twice. Show me where it was proven that the user can control the warp speed of Kamui. Obito didn't notice the clone being warped because he fired his stake, and in between the stake leaving his eye and reaching the rock Naruto's clone was warped, thus Obito thought he killed the clone. As usual you are wanking Kamui and denying what actually happened because it proves that Kamui isn't as great a jutsu as it's fanboys like to think.

That Obito-Minato point is irrelevant. He said next time he'll warp him as soon as he touches him instead of waiting to warp him like he did in canon. Give me evidence Kakashi can control long range Kamui's speed or don't bother continuing with this point.

So no Hashirama isnot sensing the build up ,reacting ,clapping his hand and create Mouktun big enough to cover Madara's ISO Susano before Kakashi warps Madara's head .Not a chance .

Yup, he is.

Kamui has build up Chakra and can be sensed because similar Dojutsu (Amatrasu )has build up Chakra and can be sensed .Amatradu user can build up Chakra for his Amatrasu as fast as Kamui user builds up Chakra for Kamui because they are both Dojutsu .now this is Sasuke and Amatrasu not Kakashi and Kamui :lol

Them being able to be built up doesn't prove your case. Them being able to be built up is proof that they can be sensed though.

their protection goes up until Kakashi releases his Kamui and Kakashi wouldn't release his Kamui until Madara's PS shows up ,or Kakashi simply destroys whatever Madara's PS hides behind with shockwaves then rips his ISO Susano off with the pre-charged Kamui .or kakashi does so everytime he needs some privacy Lmfao .

If Kakashi is hiding far away enough to the point where SS can't reach him then you are going to need to show me evidence that his shockwaves will reach Madara's position.

I didn't consider Kuarma but his TTB gets evaded as explained before .CT gets destroyed by PS slashes or Kakashi simply warps the core once Madara releases it from his hand .Madara's covering Kuarma with Mouktun to protect him from Kakashi's Kamui is addressed .how is swapping with limbo is a counter for Kamui !!? Can he really swap with limbo as Sasuke's Ameno does!? Anyway Kakashi kills Madara with PS slash anytime he isn't using Susano whether because it was ripped off by Kamui or because he choose not to use it as you say .

Lmao I'm not gonna argue this and the thread match up together.

"Don't breathe the pollen " Ohnoki stated . Kakashi wouldn't breathe the pollen by either holding his breath or squeezing his nose using his fingers and yes that would block out all air . .Gokage were only affected because they were forced to breathe it when Madara hit them with Susano .Kakashi would be intangible so no one is going to hit him .
So The rest is completely relevant as it explains how Kakashi would escape the Jutsu's range or destroy the flowers .

Lmao and Onoki and his buddies got knocked out seconds later so I have no idea what you thought this was going to prove. Madara hit them with Susanoo before they entered the forest. So yeah, no. Flower World goes up and Kakashi gets knocked out. Escaping the jutsu's range is pointless since he'll need to come back if he wants to continue the fight, and he's not destroying the flowers after Susanoo has been obliterated. Him knowing to do this immediately is based on nothing anyway as he has no intel on the flower world.

 

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Databook also claim Itachi is invincible to do you think Edo Itachi can beat SM Hashirama? Nope you can't pick and choose which logic from the databook you want to follow behide. You either agree with all of it or none of it.

Even if his Ps could fly it still lacks the speed feats that Kakashi's have which is hyped to be above RSM Naruto speed level.

So the entirety of the Databook is invalidated just because of one statement? Simply because one statement was clearly exaggerated does not mean Perfect Susano'os Databook Entry was invalidated as well given the fact that it conforms to what the manga conveyed to its reader.

 

[Demonic.]

KG putting in that work.

My money's on Team 2.