[Discussion] Sarada's sensei

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Nope, he didn't quote Kishi there. I think you're the one who needs how to learn. Kishi's own words weren't transcribed to the post.
"Kishimoto said"

> Isn't quoting Kishimoto

Nice try.

The author of the post is telling what went down in the podcast, but at no time he transcribes the words Kishi says during the podcast.
If you actually listened to the pod cast, the person relying the information quotes Kishimoto himself. The person who typed this up briefed a summary of the important details of the pod cast, it's basically someone relying information of relied information.

Regardless the main fact is, WSJ editor quoted and said that Kishimoto told him, Boruto is canon. End of.

The concept of Canon does not exist to Kishimoto. He tells what is legitimate and what is not, that's it.
Right. That's why Kishimoto stated Boruto was canon, and a legitimate part of his universe.

Kishimoto stating something is legitimate means it's canon. I don't know why you're trying to split in between them both. Looks retarded.


Well, never saw that post. If you're claiming it, care to post the link to it?
Cause you don't read and you're trying to lie 99% of the time lol

CTRL + F = Type Animeblue

Do it yourself.
 

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Just saw the link and I can see why you're thinking the academy days arc is the only arc that'll be canon. It is because in the title of the post the author puts "academy days" in parentheses? I think that's just how he is specifying that it is about the first arc.

If I'm not mistaken, Gaiden takes place before they turn into Chunin so they can totally adapt it to fit into the Academy Days arc.
 

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I thought the same thing until anime-blue clarified that the Academy Arc is going into it's second phase. There's also a blurb that was released in the Anime thread over at NarutoForums, where they stated the Academy Arc is ending on episode 15.
 

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"Kishimoto said"

> Isn't quoting Kishimoto

Nice try.
Yeah, that definitely isn't quoting someone. Do I need to school you? :lol

To quote someone, you need to put those person's exact words into quotation marks. He didn't transcribe Kishi's own words, he just said what went down.

Canon concept doesn't exist to Kishi, I'm sure he never used this word in his life. Feel free to look up for interviews with other mangakas, they'll never use it too.


If you actually listened to the pod cast, the person relying the information quotes Kishimoto himself. The person who typed this up briefed a summary of the important details of the pod cast, it's basically someone relying information of relied information.
Exactly. The person typed a brief summary of the impotant details, he didn't quote Kishi's words.

Regardless the main fact is, WSJ editor quoted and said that Kishimoto told him, Boruto is canon. End of.
Unless you got concrete proof that he in fact used the word "canon", I can't accept that as a fact.

Right. That's why Kishimoto stated Boruto was canon, and a legitimate part of his universe.

Kishimoto stating something is legitimate means it's canon. I don't know why you're trying to split in between them both. Looks retarded.
That's what I'm saying. He doesn't use the Canon word, but he legitimates stuff. If he is legitimating the Gaiden adaptation - and we know that he is - then it's canon. End of.

Also, let me school you the definition of canon in fiction:

In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction. The alternative terms mythology, timeline, and continuity are often used, with the former being especially to refer to a richly detailed fictional canon requiring a large degree of suspension of disbelief (e.g. an entire imaginary world and history), while the latter two typically refer to a single arc where all events are directly connected chronologically. Other times, the word can mean "to be acknowledged by the creator(s)."
If it's being acknowledged by Kishimoto, it's canon. Period.
 

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Yeah, that definitely isn't quoting someone. Do I need to school you? :lol

To quote someone, you need to put those person's exact words into quotation marks. He didn't transcribe Kishi's own words, he just said what went down.
You obviously are taking it out of context when he literally said, and I quote, "Kishimoto said". He isn't going to relay information that Kishimoto stated, and change the words up. He's the editor in chief for WSJ, not some random person on the street. Furthermore, like I said before which you casually ignored, the person who typed those words up just did a brief summarization of the pod cast. He's actually relying the information. In the pod-cast itself, Andy states and quotes Kishimoto, in those words "Kishimoto said". That's how interviews work, usually in most cases they are typing what Kishimoto is saying.

In this scenario the SJ person is just stating what the big man said.

Canon concept doesn't exist to Kishi, I'm sure he never used this word in his life. Feel free to look up for interviews with other mangakas, they'll never use it too.
Not really sure why you're saying this despite the fact that Kishimoto has talked about outside pieces of the Manga being canon or legitimate to his universe.

The lying you have to do when Kishimoto himself states these things.... Jesus mate.



Exactly. The person typed a brief summary of the impotant details, he didn't quote Kishi's words.
He quoted Kishimoto's words in the pod-cast, like I've said for the 99th time.


Unless you got concrete proof that he in fact used the word "canon", I can't accept that as a fact.
I honestly don't care if you take it as a fact or not. That doesn't change the fact that Andy quoted Kishimoto and he said that it was canon. Same goes for what Kishimoto said in other TV program.

That's what I'm saying. He doesn't use the Canon word, but he legitimates stuff. If he is legitimating the Gaiden adaptation - and we know that he is - then it's canon. End of.
This is why no one takes you seriously though. I mean first, you're trying to twist Kishimoto's words. Secondly, you're trying to state that an interview from someone who works in Shounen Jump is incorrect. Thirdly, you're not even reading my posts or acknowledging my other points. Lastly, you're making up shit.

When Kishimoto states the upcoming Arc after the Academy arc is approved/legitimate, then it is canon. End of.

Also, let me school you the definition of canon in fiction:
I don't know what any of that has to do with Kishimoto or the Naruto universe. The person who writers this series, can state what is canon and what isn't.

Using the wikia which can be written by anyone, nor is it ever quoted for official business in any Naruto discussion.

That's just quite sad IMO.
 
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Probably tsunade , tsunade isn't listed to know all jutsu but wind style and has the strictest training regimen.
Sakura being her Sensei is kind not likely , Sakura wouldn't train Sarada as hard as tsunade trained her, unless it's in studies and Sakura probably already taught her most things.
Kakashi ewww
I really don't see anyone else being qualified to teach her, idk why she just can't teach herself, unless it's taijutsu , to which it's probably tsunade , because you can't really teach someone with perfect chakra control ninjutsu and genjutsu so much that it would require training.
 

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Just saw the link and I can see why you're thinking the academy days arc is the only arc that'll be canon. It is because in the title of the post the author puts "academy days" in parentheses? I think that's just how he is specifying that it is about the first arc.

If I'm not mistaken, Gaiden takes place before they turn into Chunin so they can totally adapt it to fit into the Academy Days arc.
Yep, a lot of people were quick to say Sarada was weak when she was barely a genin in the Gaiden arc. Unless Kishi says otherwise everything is canon. But if Sarada's character is ruined it's safe to say it isn't.
 

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it could be moegi since her and konohamaru were so obsessed with naruto and his team, its possible that somehow moegi learned CES from sakura and shes the one teaching sarada now.
 

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You obviously are taking it out of context when he literally said, and I quote, "Kishimoto said". He isn't going to relay information that Kishimoto stated, and change the words up. He's the editor in chief for WSJ, not some random person on the street. Furthermore, like I said before which you casually ignored, the person who typed those words up just did a brief summarization of the pod cast. He's actually relying the information. In the pod-cast itself, Andy states and quotes Kishimoto, in those words "Kishimoto said". That's how interviews work, usually in most cases they are typing what Kishimoto is saying.

In this scenario the SJ person is just stating what the big man said.


Not really sure why you're saying this despite the fact that Kishimoto has talked about outside pieces of the Manga being canon or legitimate to his universe.

The lying you have to do when Kishimoto himself states these things.... Jesus mate.




He quoted Kishimoto's words in the pod-cast, like I've said for the 99th time.



I honestly don't care if you take it as a fact or not. That doesn't change the fact that Andy quoted Kishimoto and he said that it was canon. Same goes for what Kishimoto said in other TV program.


This is why no one takes you seriously though. I mean first, you're trying to twist Kishimoto's words. Secondly, you're trying to state that an interview from someone who works in Shounen Jump is incorrect. Thirdly, you're not even reading my posts or acknowledging my other points. Lastly, you're making up shit.

When Kishimoto states the upcoming Arc after the Academy arc is approved/legitimate, then it is canon. End of.


I don't know what any of that has to do with Kishimoto or the Naruto universe. The person who writers this series, can state what is canon and what isn't.

Using the wikia which can be written by anyone, nor is it ever quoted for official business in any Naruto discussion.

That's just quite sad IMO.




The use of the term in the Japanese (popular) media, however, is rather vague and undefined. Just as in English-speaking circles, but with a slightly different outcome, IMHO. The wikipedia articles on Frontier and the Valkyrie Masterfiles diligently repeat that stock disclaimer that these books aren’t ‘official setting’ (「公式設定」ではない. See here, for example.) However, when I asked some of my Japanese friends what the term referred to, none of them were able to say. Admittedly, none of them are all that interested in the anime, manga and game industry, where “koushiki settei” is most frequently encountered. Furthermore, these friends probably belong to the majority of individuals who are not particularly concerned with the ‘canon’ of a favourite series or franchise. Just as most people probably don’t spend much time or energy on it in the English speaking world.

Ending that tangent, this prompted me to investigate the term a little further. Googling the kanji for “koushiki settei” (公式設定 (NB: google in different regions may find slightly different hits. This one’s from Singapore)) produces some interesting results. Most commonly, it is not used on its own, but rather as a part of several other key phrases in the anime, manga and game industry. The most common one is “koushiki settei shiryoushuu” [公式設定資料集], or “official (setting) documents collection”. Next, we have “koushiki settei gashuu” [公式設定画集], that is, “official (setting) art collection” and “koushiki settei shuu” [公式設定集], aka the “official setting collection”. And yes, the unwieldy English has resulted from me merely lumping the WWWJDIC translations of the individual terms together, though it’s important to note the common word: ‘collection’. If one then investigates what these collections are, one discovers books that detail many of the important official materials produced in the development of a particular work or franchise. They typically consist of sketches of the characters, vehicles and even backgrounds, along with interviews with key creators – the director, the writer, the character designer, the composer, even the seiyuu – detailing how a particular work was made. In other words, one finds what we in the West might call ‘guidebooks’, ‘materials books’ and ‘artbooks’.

Behold: the typical contents of a book with "koushiki settei" in its title...
Behold: the typical contents of a book with “koushiki settei” in its title…
The one exception that I’ve been able to find is from the Gundam franchise, where “koushiki settei” appears to have been used, by both fans and creators alike, to refer both to those official materials, and also to in-universe materials. A key example is the volume known as the Anaheim Journal (Mobile Suit Gundam Official Setting Collection [機動戦士ガンダム公式設定集 アナハイム・ジャーナル U.C.0083-0099]), which has been written as a bunch of material produced in-universe by Anaheim Electronics, a fictional weapons producer that appears in the U.C. Timeline. It’s an interesting book: from a quick glance, it reads like a magazine that has been produced by Anaheim to showcase its technology, replete with ads from other groups that have helped fund its publication!

But I’ll come back to this later.
Kishimoto NEVER used the word canon in his life, stop lying. Such a concept does't even exist in Japan.
 
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Kishimoto NEVER used the word canon in his life, stop lying.
How much do you have to lie?

> Andy quotes Kishimoto and says it's canon, word for word. Bet you didn't even listen to the podcast which shows your ignorance tbh

> That link doesn't work, and I did some background checks, and it isn't valid in the slightest. Valid sources from translators or official content from Shueshia, SJ/WSJ, Kishimoto, and whoever else works with Naruto officialy > Your lies
 

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How much do you have to lie?

> Andy quotes Kishimoto and says it's canon, word for word. Bet you didn't even listen to the podcast which shows your ignorance tbh

> That link doesn't work, and I did some background checks, and it isn't valid in the slightest. Valid sources from translators or official content from Shueshia, SJ/WSJ, Kishimoto, and whoever else works with Naruto officialy > Your lies
You can't you just accept the fact that there is no such a thing as 'canon' in Japan? That is a fact. Kishimoto never used this word and he never will, just like all other mangakas.

"Original Work (原作, gensaku) refers to the author's original work that other derivative works (派生作品, hasei sakuhin) are based on. In the case of Naruto, the original work is the manga by Masashi Kishimoto, while derivative works include the anime, games, and novels.

Original Story (オリジナルストーリー, orijinaru sutōrī) refers to a new story created specifically for a derivative work. It's essentially analogous with the English fandom term "filler." You may also seem the referred to as an "anime original story," "anime-ban original story," or simply "original" -- always spelled out in katakana.

As a side note, the concepts of canon and filler don't exactly exist in Japanese fandom the way they do in the West. Far less concern is placed on what may or may not be "canon," and "filler" is often treated more as fanservice -- a way for the fans to see completely new stories featuring their favorite characters.

When Japanese do discuss the idea of canon, they'll usually do so with terms such as the previously mentioned gensaku, or "official" (オフィシャル, ofisharu), though it's rare."

 

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You can't you just accept the fact that there is no such a thing as 'canon' in Japan? That is a fact. Kishimoto never used this word and he never will, just like all other mangakas.

"Original Work (原作, gensaku) refers to the author's original work that other derivative works (派生作品, hasei sakuhin) are based on. In the case of Naruto, the original work is the manga by Masashi Kishimoto, while derivative works include the anime, games, and novels.

Original Story (オリジナルストーリー, orijinaru sutōrī) refers to a new story created specifically for a derivative work. It's essentially analogous with the English fandom term "filler." You may also seem the referred to as an "anime original story," "anime-ban original story," or simply "original" -- always spelled out in katakana.

As a side note, the concepts of canon and filler don't exactly exist in Japanese fandom the way they do in the West. Far less concern is placed on what may or may not be "canon," and "filler" is often treated more as fanservice -- a way for the fans to see completely new stories featuring their favorite characters.

When Japanese do discuss the idea of canon, they'll usually do so with terms such as the previously mentioned gensaku, or "official" (オフィシャル, ofisharu), though it's rare."

He literally quoted Kishimoto snd said that it's canon. Pulling bull shit from a wiki page isnt going to up your argument.

Lastly, if there was no such thing as Canon in Japan. Kishimoto would not have:

Stated the Manga is canon
Say the first arc is legitimate
Advertise the Last as chaoter 699.5
Release an official time line

Stop lying, my God. I can't even respect your opinion with your novel nonsense and blatant lies.
 

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He literally quoted Kishimoto snd said that it's canon. Pulling bull shit from a wiki page isnt going to up your argument.

Lastly, if there was no such thing as Canon in Japan. Kishimoto would not have:

Stated the Manga is canon
Say the first arc is legitimate
Advertise the Last as chaoter 699.5
Release an official time line

Stop lying, my God. I can't even respect your opinion with your novel nonsense and blatant lies.
Kishimoto never said it was canon. This isn't a wiki post, it is a reddit post from Amaranth.

Kishimoto never said it is canon because such a thing doesn't exist in Japan.

End of story.
 

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Kishimoto never said it was canon. This isn't a wiki post, it is a reddit post from Amaranth.
Kishimoto stated it was canon. Andy quoted him himself, he stated, "Kishimoto said" after he stated "I interviewed Kishimoto-sensei". I don't care who wrote it.

Unless you can prove this man is lying, this is the fact. Your opinion will always be lesser of that, mainly because you consist of lying anyway.

Kishimoto never said it is canon because such a thing doesn't exist in Japan.
Name one thing in the Naruto fandom that we take as "canon" where it wasn't stated to be canon from Kishimoto or advertised as canon.

End of story.
End of the story indeed.
 
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