[Discussion] Can Momoshiki really see into the future?

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(Part 1)

Before Momoshiki absorbed Kinshiki, Naruto and Boruto appeared before him. I'm sure from his perspective considering that Boruto is striking similar looking to Naruto, he figured that Bolt was Naruto's kid, so he was curious in whether or not Boruto inherited the same power Naruto has (It is most likely referring to the Kyuubi's power, but it could also represent any power Naruto has in his body, including his Rikudou chakra):

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Originally people thought that Momoshiki was referring to Naruto when he was talking about 'an interesting fate' -- But I thought the dialogue being hinted at Boruto was pretty obvious. The whole topic at hand deals with the fact that Boruto inherited nothing from his father when it comes to power, which is something that the Otsutsuki can bypass. The reason why Boruto has an interesting fate to Momoshiki, is because he is power-less compared to his father. Mind you that the word fate is being used differently compared to Momoshiki saying that he can actually see the future, instead he is saying that the future of this child is interesting because he is power-less compared to them.

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As you can see, Momoshiki is capable of seeing the hidden chakra (or power) of a Jinchuriki (and possibly more?). One funny thing here is that Boruto is standing right next to Naruto, and Momoshiki is just now seeing that he didn't inherit any of the Kyuubi's power.

Neji too saw the same thing in Naruto when he was utilizing the chakra

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(Just showing that it isn't strange for the Byakugan to see this, although Momoshiki saw the chakra without the release. It could be due to many reasons; Naruto becoming a true jinchuriki, Momoshiki's Byakugan being superior, etc)



(Part 2)

After Momoshiki is defeated, Boruto is the one who senses his presence, or spirit. It isn't abnormal for the Otsutsuki (or anyone with Rikudou chakra) to exist outside of life and death (Rinnegan users as well), we have seen Hagoromo interact with Naruto and Sasuke, and Hamura with Hinata. Even Obito who was a Juubi Jin utilized chakra in the form of Kamui to travel between worlds. Momoshiki who is an Otsutsuki, and a Rinnegan wielder, should not surprise us with his "ghost".

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Anyway, the point I wanted to make here is that when Momoshiki is defeated, and once he noticed that Boruto can physically see him, it is due to him being related to the Hyuuga Clan (from his mother's side). This is important, because Momoshiki knows that Boruto inherited none of his father's power, but he also did not inherit the Byakugan (the white eye). For argument's sake, Boruto has not shown the ability to awaken the Dojutsu either, despite going through emotional stress in his arc, more so compared to Himawari awakening the Byakugan over her stuffed animal.

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When you look at this originally, you might be considering that Momoshiki can actually see the future, but in fact what if Momoshiki is just talking about the facts?

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> Momoshiki cannot see his own fate. But why? It is because he cannot see 'fate' at all.
> Momoshiki can see Boruto's fate quite clearly? Why? Because he notices that Boruto has nothing

Now you might be asking, why is Momoshiki interested in Boruto at all then?

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Remember what I said earlier about Momoshiki knowing that Boruto is from the Hyuuga lineage but did not inherit/awaken the Byakugan? Most theories running around are saying that Boruto's eyes are special, and that he is going to unlock the Tenseign or something -- However, I think it is the opposite. I believe Momoshiki is stating that Boruto's natural blue eyes, the one's that he inherited from his father, are a weakness. Because they are not special.

Mind you that Momoshiki stated that Boruto had an interesting fate earlier, which had nothing to do with the ability of seeing the future, but with his ability to see that Boruto had not inherited anything (Could see that Boruto was just an average kid compared to his Father, and when Boruto saw his spectral body, he realized it was because the boy had the linage of someone with the Byakugan).

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Lastly, Momoshiki tells Boruto that because he defeated a 'God', he can no longer be an ordinary human being. This is a clear sign of manipulation on his side, and I'll explain this in the conclusion below.



(Part 3 & Conclusion)

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The only thing I can say about these scans is that Momoshiki's words earlier have stuck to him, when Sarada mentions his blue eyes being lighter than Naruto's, he is instantly reminded of Momoshiki's warning. You can even see the seriousness on his face for a moment before Konohamaru arrives.

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Going back to what Momoshiki said earlier, he said the reason for Boruto ceasing to be an ordinary human deals with the fact that Boruto killed him, but in fact the author made it clear that the real reason Boruto may stray away from the average man's path is due to him receiving the seal on his hand.

Now, gathering the entire evidence, I came the conclusion that Momoshiki really cannot see the future based on:

> Momoshiki talking about fate with Boruto/Naruto because he noticed that Boruto won't end up the same way as his father: Not having his main source of power.

The reason why I state that he did not see the future in this scene, is because after scanning Boruto, he instantly mocks Naruto for not being able to pass it down. If Momoshiki saw Boruto's fate there, wouldn't he have known that Boruto was also a Hyuuga, and that his 'blue eyes will take everything from him?'

> Momoshiki only takes interest in Boruto really when he noticed that Boruto could see him after his death because of his Hyuuga lineage.

The reason why I'm having a hard time accepting the possibility of him actually seeing the future cause of the Byakugan (rofl) is due to the entire context of the scene itself, and how Momoshiki has portrayed the word fate earlier. The entire scene seems to be Momoshiki wanting Boruto to follow a certain path, and he uses the fact that Boruto did not inherit the Byakugan as a way to push his ideals. We even see later that despite the fact that this does not bother Boruto, when his eyes are mentioned, he is worried.

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I have a feeling that these seals play a bigger picture in solving just what Momoshiki really wants with Boruto, and why he wants Boruto to follow this 'role'. The seal may very well be the thing that takes away everything from Boruto.

Anyway tell me what you think.
 

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I just think he, being an alien, can see boruto's fate, just as he stated. Perhaps also because he was a ghost he could see it. There is a lot still unanswered for
 

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We've seen many ghosts or souls in the manga, all of them have a chakra like silhouette while vanishing.Momoshiki, as you and Boruto call him, disappeared in smoke.That doesn't look like any of the souls we saw (Hagoromo, Obito, Dan, the edo-tensei releases...).
Every ghost that we saw giving power to someone did it in the minds of the receivers, it was never in the physical world.
Dan's soul entered Tsunade's body and contacted Tsunade's soul to give her strength, Hagoromo's soul was in contact with Naruto's and Sasuke's soul when he gave them the seals, and Obito's soul came into Kakashi's body to contact his soul and give him power.This guy is just directly interacting with Boruto in the physical world, and we never saw a soul do that.

If Momo could read fates during the battle, he wouldn't have lost because he would know the future and act accordingly.

How can a guy that knows he has no fate say that he can't read his own fate?That's nonsense or bad expression.

How can Momo give a significant power-up to Boruto?He has not a strong chakra, not a huge quantity of it and even not jutsu out of our imagination.

How did Momo gain powers that would have saved him during the fight?Invisibility from non Byakugan users, it's not like if noone was able to see souls, in fact everyone can see souls moving in our world, it isn't a byakugan feat.
The ability to stop the ennemy's movements without contact.
The ability to "stop time" or something like that.
And the ability to read fates from distance.

I don't like that much your idea that the reason why Momo gave power to Boruto is because Momo saw no power in Boruto.I really think he sees something, and that something convinced him to give power to Boruto.

I prefer the idea that this a new guy, that will answer all the points that I brought in one simple sentence.
He didn't gain abilities dying, he didn't change his clothes and haircut, he isn't a strange soul with particular abilities, he hasn't changed his horns, he hasn't forgotten his sandals, he isn't smaller than before, he hasn't changed his way of talking and acting, he didn't give an insignificant power-up to Boruto, he just isn't Momoshiki, he is a new guy that can stop time, read fates, stop the ennemy's movements from distance like Kaguya in the anime fillers, and be invisible from non byakugan users.These base abilities seems strong, that guy may be able to give a significant power-up to Boruto.He can be a guy Kaguya feared.That can be interesting for Orochimaru...



I like your idea that this guy have given Boruto what will make him lose everything, it really smells manipulation.
 
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If he could, he would've foresaw his ass getting handed back to him on sliver platter before he even thought of messing with Naruto and Sasuke.:lmao:
 
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I'm personally not sold on the idea momoshiki can see the future but I think boruto thinks he can so we'll see him manipulate that for him to work towards his goal. It be ironic if boruto gets an ability to see the future tho
 

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I'm personally not sold on the idea momoshiki can see the future but I think boruto thinks he can so we'll see him manipulate that for him to work towards his goal. It be ironic if boruto gets an ability to see the future tho
Agreed.

he can't even predict his own fate...this momoshiki is lame fodder ..so are all villain otsutsukis
:lmao:

Oh damm, do you think sasuke will confront boruto about this soon?
The last chapter hinted at it, but I suspect it probably won't happen until something serious comes along with the seal and Boruto

If he could, he would've foresaw his ass getting handed back to him on sliver platter before he even thought of messing with Naruto and Sasuke.:lmao:
True :lmao:

We've seen many ghosts or souls in the manga, all of them have a chakra like silhouette while vanishing.Momoshiki, as you and Boruto call him, disappeared in smoke.That doesn't look like any of the souls we saw (Hagoromo, Obito, Dan, the edo-tensei releases...).
Every ghost that we saw giving power to someone did it in the minds of the receivers, it was never in the physical world.
Dan's soul entered Tsunade's body and contacted Tsunade's soul to give her strength, Hagoromo's soul was in contact with Naruto's and Sasuke's soul when he gave them the seals, and Obito's soul came into Kakashi's body to contact his soul and give him power.This guy is just directly interacting with Boruto in the physical world, and we never saw a soul do that.

If Momo could read fates during the battle, he wouldn't have lost because he would know the future and act accordingly.

How can a guy that knows he has no fate say that he can't read his own fate?That's nonsense or bad expression.

How can Momo give a significant power-up to Boruto?He has not a strong chakra, not a huge quantity of it and even not jutsu out of our imagination.

How did Momo gain powers that would have saved him during the fight?Invisibility from non Byakugan users, it's not like if noone was able to see souls, in fact everyone can see souls moving in our world, it isn't a byakugan feat.
The ability to stop the ennemy's movements without contact.
The ability to "stop time" or something like that.
And the ability to read fates from distance.

I don't like that much your idea that the reason why Momo gave power to Boruto is because Momo saw no power in Boruto.I really think he sees something, and that something convinced him to give power to Boruto.

I prefer the idea that this a new guy, that will answer all the points that I brought in one simple sentence.
He didn't gain abilities dying, he didn't change his clothes and haircut, he isn't a strange soul with particular abilities, he hasn't changed his horns, he hasn't forgotten his sandals, he isn't smaller than before, he hasn't changed his way of talking and acting, he didn't give an insignificant power-up to Boruto, he just isn't Momoshiki, he is a new guy that can stop time, read fates, stop the ennemy's movements from distance like Kaguya in the anime fillers, and be invisible from non byakugan users.These base abilities seems strong, that guy may be able to give a significant power-up to Boruto.He can be a guy Kaguya feared.That can be interesting for Orochimaru...



I like your idea that this guy have given Boruto what will make him lose everything, it really smells manipulation.
I agree. It is possible that he thinks Boruto is a bit special, but it is hard to tell as of now.
 

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IDK about him (Momo) being able to see the future or fate because his rinne wasn't even complete like Kaguya's RinneSharingan an she couldn't see the future or the fate of her, her kids or any1 for that matter future/fate nor Hogoromo an Hamura.. (Even though they're not full blooded)

His words may be just to manipulate lil Boruto into looking for more power.. I'm leaning towards him falling behind his squad as far as
abilities an he'll seek somethin more that Naruto an his sensei Sasuke isn't given him or teaching him..

He's been outclassed by his teammates already in the chuunin exams so he's inferior to them apart from killing Momo (With the help of kages & demi-gods) an the fact that he's the son of the Hokage is the only reason he was there to begin with..
 

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IDK about him (Momo) being able to see the future or fate because his rinne wasn't even complete like Kaguya's RinneSharingan an she couldn't see the future or the fate of her, her kids or any1 for that matter future/fate nor Hogoromo an Hamura.. (Even though they're not full blooded)

His words may be just to manipulate lil Boruto into looking for more power.. I'm leaning towards him falling behind his squad as far as
abilities an he'll seek somethin more that Naruto an his sensei Sasuke isn't given him or teaching him..

He's been outclassed by his teammates already in the chuunin exams so he's inferior to them apart from killing Momo (With the help of kages & demi-gods) an the fact that he's the son of the Hokage is the only reason he was there to begin with..
> Well different Rinnegan's have different abilities, but yeah the Byakugan was never stated to have any kind of future-seeing shit. And Momoshiki's ability for his Rinnegan is chakra absorption, and sending it back.

> I feel the same way about the manipulation bit. Though considering what he has shown thus far, I think it is the opposite. I'd say he's doing just fine.

> What do you mean by outclassed? Sasuke explained why he brought him to the fight, most of which didn't have to do with Naruto.
 

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I just think he, being an alien, can see boruto's fate, just as he stated. Perhaps also because he was a ghost he could see it. There is a lot still unanswered for
If he could then he should have seen Boruto was going to win, beforehand. ( even if he couldn't see his own- he could see it indirectly looking at Boruto winning) He can see it no better than Neji. They just make a calculated guess.
 

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> Well different Rinnegan's have different abilities, but yeah the Byakugan was never stated to have any kind of future-seeing shit. And Momoshiki's ability for his Rinnegan is chakra absorption, and sending it back.

> I feel the same way about the manipulation bit. Though considering what he has shown thus far, I think it is the opposite. I'd say he's doing just fine.

> What do you mean by outclassed? Sasuke explained why he brought him to the fight, most of which didn't have to do with Naruto.
Well what I mean by outclassed is that he used a cheating device to win at all the exams an his teammates used their own abilities to win.. I'm pretty sure he felt less then them (Though not explained) an is why he used the tool.. (Along with his father not being around to train him an all) IMO he was behind them but in the end he picked up on the aspect of using your own strength.

Boruto is not like Naruto, He can learn at a faster rate because he doesn't have a bijuu stunting his CC at a young age but that's not to say that he's going to be over his teammates in battle all the time..

Oh!, Momo seem to imply that he's (Boruto) is weak in a since that he will do what is needed to win because he isn't strong enough to win on his own. Sasuke was this way in part1 Naruto. (The seal/CM)
The whole he's a god deal is Momo being a dik toward a species he see as inferior... He's no god if he is dead.. (They seal Kaguya,EH)
 

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Well what I mean by outclassed is that he used a cheating device to win at all the exams an his teammates used their own abilities to win.. I'm pretty sure he felt less then them (Though not explained) an is why he used the tool.. (Along with his father not being around to train him an all) IMO he was behind them but in the end he picked up on the aspect of using your own strength.
It was kind of explained that Boruto used the ninja tool as a means to cheat because he didn't want to actually put effort into the examinations himself. Like for example, when Boruto first got the KOTE device, he was easily deceived by Katasuke because Sasuke called his Rasengan puny, so he used the device to train instead.

In the Chunin Exams, instead of actually trying himself, he used the device. It could be a mixture of not believing in himself, although I think the majority of it goes down to Boruto's attitude.

I mean like in the first exam, the flag test, he literally just gave up right as he fell down. He didn't even try, which is why I have a hard time adjusting to the fact that he's skills were just not par with everyone else's.

Boruto is not like Naruto, He can learn at a faster rate because he doesn't have a bijuu stunting his CC at a young age but that's not to say that he's going to be over his teammates in battle all the time..
I think his skill set is pretty large compared to his team mates. Looking outside of Mitsuki's obvious Sage Mode hacks, Boruto does have three elemental natures under his belt (Mitsuki/Sarada are stated to have 1 each, and a jutsu for each. Boruto was stated to have three different jutsu for each element). Not to mention he has the Rasengan, and the Vanishing Rasengan.

Naruto at the start of Shippuden was pretty much Rasengan + variants (as in Oodama Rasengan) and shadow clones. Boruto's not even his age yet and has elemental nature usage, shadow clones, Rasengan + variant, and little shuriken jutsu skill.

I'd say that he can keep his own right now. SM Mitsuki would eclipse him for sure in terms of power, and I don't really see Sarada being an issue until she reaches Mangekyo Sharingan. 3T isn't as impressive as it used to be.

Oh!, Momo seem to imply that he's (Boruto) is weak in a since that he will do what is needed to win because he isn't strong enough to win on his own. Sasuke was this way in part1 Naruto. (The seal/CM)
The whole he's a god deal is Momo being a dik toward a species he see as inferior... He's no god if he is dead.. (They seal Kaguya,EH)[/QUOTE
Where did Momoshiki imply that? I thought Naruto was implying Momoshiki was the one who needed to steal power in order to grow stronger xD.

But anyway I do agree on one part, Momoshiki probably gave him the seal because he was an easy target. He has no special powers, so maybe something bad will happen because he gets drunk with it?

IDK
 
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