Discuss my essay question :D

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Well, I almost agree with the opposite of your prompt, but disregarding that, in order to succesfully look at your prompt you need to think about how over 80% of people stay in the same social class as their parents (ie. the suffering of kids without money doesn't make them get more money and do better in life) Then it's also easy to look at crises(which naturally cause suffering) In the holocaust, the jews that were stuck in concentration camps became very solitary and self-caring people and actually were willing to let their own family members die in order to get food. Also, look at what happens immediately after a disaster such as a hurricane or earthquake, people rob and riot to get things for themselves more often than working together to achieve a common goal with their neighbors
 

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Well, I almost agree with the opposite of your prompt, but disregarding that, in order to succesfully look at your prompt you need to think about how over 80% of people stay in the same social class as their parents (ie. the suffering of kids without money doesn't make them get more money and do better in life) Then it's also easy to look at crises(which naturally cause suffering) In the holocaust, the jews that were stuck in concentration camps became very solitary and self-caring people and actually were willing to let their own family members die in order to get food. Also, look at what happens immediately after a disaster such as a hurricane or earthquake, people rob and riot to get things for themselves more often than working together to achieve a common goal with their neighbors
Very good point, i was trying to go with it makes it better people hoping that when shit goes wrong, ill become a better person
 

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Very good point, i was trying to go with it makes it better people hoping that when shit goes wrong, ill become a better person
well that actually goes more with what I really believe lol. Hidden qualities emerge from people when they are in dangerous situations. Unknown thriftiness emerges from people during financial crises, leadership also comes out in people to help the suffering many. and oftentimes in crises social and econimic lines are broken for people to come together (ie after hurricane katrina the underclass in the slums and the high class have worked together to rebuild their houses and their city)
 

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A) 'Suffering does not make us better people, it just makes us miserable' - discuss.


Ok well what do you guys think. So far ive got we learn from our mistakes lol
This sounds like a question in an R.E exam xD

Well basically, it depends on the person. Some people can learn from suffering and some peope can wollow in it.
 

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I don't know if you still need people's opinion, but I do agree with the quotation ypu presented.

Things don't just happen for a mere chance, like Squiremarcus tried to show us. Staying in the same social class as your parent's isn't an obligation. Actually, unless you do work, you'll get in a much lower social class. And if you work, the chances are that your upgrade class.

With that being said, nothing, or at least almost nothing, comes to you easily. Things don't just fall on your lap. You need to work to acomplish your objectives. If you sit comfortably on your sofa and do nothing, nothing will happen. But "suffering", as in work, difficulties, are the ones that will make you progress.
 

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A) 'Suffering does not make us better people, it just makes us miserable' - discuss.


Ok well what do you guys think. So far ive got we learn from our mistakes lol
I've had this same type of question before :p

I believe my response was something to this affect:

If there was no suffering, there would be no compassion. If nothing bad ever happened, we wouldn't feel compelled to help people and we'd all just be horribly self-centered people.

But because there is suffering and everyone goes through it, you generally try to help people out because you understand what they're going through and hope that when the day comes where you're suffering that someone will be there for you.
 

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Thanks for your opinion

I need as many opinions as i can get.

Also if anyone knows of augustines theodicy that they would like to apply to this then id be very happy
Go first then. Explain us that and then apply it. I'll follow from your quote.

I've had this same type of question before :p

I believe my response was something to this affect:

If there was no suffering, there would be no compassion. If nothing bad ever happened, we wouldn't feel compelled to help people and we'd all just be horribly self-centered people.

But because there is suffering and everyone goes through it, you generally try to help people out because you understand what they're going through and hope that when the day comes where you're suffering that someone will be there for you.
I disagree with this. And even though you'd like to think that people join together in those situations, the truth is that it doesn't happen all the time. In fact, I think you missed the meaning of the word suffering here.

I believe that he said suffering as in hardship, difficulties and work. It's not about pain and sadness. This is suffer as in you must suffer from work, in a way. And is kinda like:

Work is hard, but without work you don't progress
 

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Go first then. Explain us that and then apply it. I'll follow from your quote.



I disagree with this. And even though you'd like to think that people join together in those situations, the truth is that it doesn't happen all the time. In fact, I think you missed the meaning of the word suffering here.

I believe that he said suffering as in hardship, difficulties and work. It's not about pain and sadness. This is suffer as in you must suffer from work, in a way. And is kinda like:

Work is hard, but without work you don't progress
Well, better person... in that case, you just need to make your way with the words, because it all depends on your own understanding on the "good-bad" stuff.
Also, I agree with Kiwii that you must explain what kind of suffering we are talking about here.
 

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Because you can suffer gives reason for you to work for the outcome of not suffering. Pain and fear are the most common motivators for any person.
 

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In an ideal world there should be no suffering, I know it's the typical phrase when you want to say "bear with it". But really, suffering shouldn't be allowed.

Though going directly into the question, suffering makes us better in a point. It serves as a "wake up" or "come on" call from the outer world. if it isn't oriented towards an evil purpose, like brainwashing.

What doesn't kill, makes you stronger, that's what they say. Too, suffering is implied in life so as we get to know suffer, we leanr to get stornger with it, to bear with it. Let's say adapt to it.

So yeah, suffering by a natural cause(self-defence, death, crisis), is good because it makes us stronger against it. But purposely caused suffering(electrical shocks, torture) doesn't make us better just adapts us to avoid that sensation by not doing what cause it.

Conductism, a current of psicology, shows this is real. A conditioned response.
 

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yeah but i was talking along the lines of "do my essay for me please" :p
Let the guy live his life :/. He os just asking what we think about it, and personally, i think its true because i aint had my life easy one bit, and i am indeed miserable, however it makes you very strong as an individual, which allows you to hide the misery so it doesnt spread.
 
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