Maybe you´re just so retarded that i have to bring the same points over an over for you to get it.
No. See, what I'm asking here is for you to change your perception. As I read your post I noticed something. You view Naruto as a grey morality series, while OP is more of a black and white morality. That's according to you. Well that's just great. Your skewed perception of what OP is is contributing to this misunderstanding. You see Luffy as the ideal definition of a hero when he's not. You don't see Naruto as a hero when he really is.
Get that silly notion out of your head first, then we talk.
You said before that one piece has more realism than naruto but infact it´s the opposite, garp just sat like a good dog for how the world would react to him if he saved ace, in naruto, kakashi father didn´t abandon anyone and did the right thing despite the consequences, although in the end he got trashed even by the ones he saved, naruto has more of that real-life feeling, ****in common sense man! Your family or your job, anyone would pick family, it´s human nature.
No, Garp steeled himself into thinking what it would cause the world if he disobeyed orders and took off like a madman. Kakashi's father did the right thing, but he lacked 2 things. First would be position, next would be reputation. Acting as a hero doesn't equate to real-life feeling, being conflicted over 2 different things equates to real-life feeling.
You say Garp is a dog. That dog is known as a Hero of the Marines. It just so happened that the son of his friend the Pirate King entrusted to him was a pirate and he can't do anything to save him. If it was so easy then Garp would've done it a long time ago. If he went back on the Marine Principle of Justice he spent decades to uphold and enforce, wouldn't that make him a hypocrite?
You really are a pain in the ass.
My point was that the justice that the world government represents isn´t really true cuz that´s not how the higher ups view it and they have showed it in their actions.
Mass murder for the sake of a secret is justice? Wake up, if they were actually honest about it their actions then i wouldn´t mind it, as i said, what the head thinks, the body will follow.
No, YOU are more of a pain than I am. Here I am explaining why Garp isn't a dog of the Marines, yet here you are futilely whining why he is. This is my last post in this thread and if you think he still is a dog then it'll be your problem not mine.
WE KNOW THAT YOU THINK THE WORLD GOVERNMENT DOESN'T REPRESENT JUSTICE BECAUSE OF ALL THE MASS MURDER THEY DID IN OHARA AND THE OTHERS. Well dude, I guess you didn't realize you're seeing just one side of the coin. When WB died, did you see how many panels showed citizens dancing for joy? I guess you didn't, since your selective vision filters out anything remotely positive for the Marines. And I see you have a fixed vision of what Justice is. Would you like to know how your dear police force interrogates suspects, even though most of them are innocent? They would never tell the public, simply because they don't need to know. If everyone needed to explain everything they did, then mothers and fathers would be talking to their children about *** as early as 4 years old. Governments would need to explain why their projects have to have commissions for the different officials involved.
Do you know why prostitutes are doing things the way they are? It's because they don't know anything aside from that kind of job. You think they prefer being passed around for cash? I'm pretty sure almost all of them prefer to be with a man to care for and be cared of, but knowing you with your fixed sense of childish justice, you'd label them as whores or sluts and be on your way. That, my friend, is how skewed your view on Garp, and on the WG as a whole, is.
Obama is just all talk, he know how to give good speeches and excuses but he doesn´t act and he don´t give a crap.
When i said there was no right or wrong, i was refering to the obama/bin laden scenario that you brought up cuz none of them are good and there is also alot of bullshit going on in the midst that i don´t give a shit.
If you don't give a shit why do you care? If Obama is just all talk, do you know how to run a country better than him?
Because i know garp is good dammit but his actions weren´t!
And here I am explaining why his actions were like that!
Naruto isn´t about good and evil, actually one piece has more of that, some guy wrecks shit, luffy arrives and goes "i´m gonna kick you ass!", he beats him, they pack up and on to the next island where the same thing happens, how the hell is that more realistic then naruto?
Whoever opposes luffy(the main character) is a bad guy automatically, one piece has that classical good vs bad about it and you get that the person is bad and for no reason.
That´s not how it is in naruto, there is no real bad guy, just people who have different values and beliefs and that´s what i like about the series, they actually have gone into deepth with the whole hatred thing that you have things to protect and hate the one who takes that away and that stuff.
You don´t get that in one piece, sure naruto goes "i´m gonna kick your ass" but it´s not as simple as in one piece and it´s more real-life then one piece.
Now you're just knocking on the formulaic way Oda tells his stories. Have you heard of the saying, 'it's not the goal, but it's the journey that matters'? Guess not. Here I will be explaining why OP is not about good and evil. Man I feel like a nerd, and I'm supposed to be earning daily bread.
First of all, ninjas with big balls of chakra aren't realistic in the slightest. An orange jumpsuit wearing ninja screaming his next attack isn't realistic. His values aren't realistic in the slightest. What part of "I will save everyone" is realistic? You know that's never gonna happen in real life and you know it.
OP's formulaic storytelling is irrelevant when you're talking about a fictional series being realistic. When we talk about something like that, you don't take note of how the story is written, or how the art is drawn. It's how the characters react in certain situations, and when we break it down, evaluate whether this will be how people will react in real life. That my friend, is how judging how realistic a manga series is.
Let's compare the 'War Arcs' of both series.
In Naruto we have the Shinobi Alliance vs Madara. In One Piece we have Pirates vs the World Government. In that alone, we see that OP wins this department, but I'm not gonna go there.
The Shinobi Alliance wants to save their world from Madara. The citizens fervently hope for their victory so that they can return to their peaceful lives as soon as possible. They then put their hopes in a boy who has the Kyuubi inside of him, treating him as their savior. If you noticed, Naruto is getting the Jesus treatment lately, starting from the Pein Arc. Naruto wants to be Hokage, but with all this Madara going on, not to mention his unfinished business with Sasuke, he changes his goal to saving the Ninja World.
Madara on the other hand, just wants to carry out his plan of using the moon. But to accomplish that, he wants to get everyone out of the way, and get the Bijuus, even destroy a few villages in the process by way of the Akatsuki. He even goes as far to make corpses fight for him, all in the name of success. Oh, and don't forget the meteors, which he didn't consider that if he destroyed the planet he was in he'd naturally fail.
In that sense, we clearly see who's the hero, who's on the side of good, and who's bad. No one wants Madara to win. The SA represent Lawful Good, since what they want is for the betterment of everybody except the bad guys. Madara is Chaotic Evil, for he stops at nothing to achieve his goal. If you don't see what I'm getting at, then too bad for you.
The WB Pirates and his associates want to save Ace. Most people want them to fail, since Ace is Roger's son. Some people want them to win though, since they're the ones protecting their land after all. Their cause is good and noble. But because they're pirates, however good their intentions are there will always be that seed of doubt and bias since they're pirates. That's how it works and nothing can be done about it.
The Marines and the World Government plan to execute Ace. Most people want them to win since they represent the good side of the world. What people don't know is that the whole thing is a show of power. They want to discourage people from becoming pirates by defeating the World's Strongest Man and one of the strongest crews in the Grand Line. There isn't any necessary reason why Ace should be lingering on top of that metal stand, they just want to show that they're more powerful, and the people want to see the 'good guys' win.
See the grey morals? Pirates can be good, but because of their negative reputation, they're usually considered bad. Marines can be bad, but because of their positive reputation, they're considered good people. Why do you think Luffy was shot at in Drum Island? Why do you think Tonjit preferred Aokiji's help more than Luffy's? Tonjit knows that Luffy is a good guy, but he trusts the Marines more since that's what they're known for, even if he's known Aokiji for less time than Luffy.
People have different morals. People who have known good pirates are more likely to deal a softer hand to other pirates than people who have known only the bad ones. That right there is a prime example of why OP is greyer than you would think. In the pirates' perspective, Luffy is the hero of the war. In the citizens' and Marines' perspective however, the real hero of the war is Akainu. He's the only one who did anything noteworthy after all, and that is to succeed in killing Ace. We may see that what Akainu did was a bad thing and that Ace isn't entirely bad, but the in-verse people don't see it that way. All they know is that Ace is a bad person, a pirate, and Gol D. Roger's son.
One more thing, you said the people are powerless against the government, we have numbers and it is us that the government serves, it can´t change that and it damn sure can´t afford using force to keep us quiet cuz that would be a waste.
The government does what the people wants, a democracy government that is, they can´t do jack squat against the people and even if they could the won´t cuz as i said, it would be a waste.
Not all governments work like you want them to. How about just killing the insurgents altogether, just like what Fidel Castro did? Don't care if you can rule with an iron fist, so as long as the country is running like a well-oiled machine.
Open your eyes, not all things can be solved with acts of heroism. Do you think every Christian during the Persecution told the truth? No, some of them lied to survive and pass on the faith. That's the dirty truth, but you would see it as dishonorable since "they didn't tell the truth". Try to expand your horizons kid.
