This post is hopefully partly educational from my end, but more so from your end for I'm less knowledgeable than you all combined and many individuals here. I will begin now. When I say we know, it's I believe we know.
Goal:
What I'd like this thread to be about is how one acquires their second and beyond elemental jutsu. Further, to produce clarity that distinguishes combining elements from kekkei genkei.
Kekkei Genkei distinction:
As well, I believe we know that having more than two plus elemental affinities and combining them into a jutsu produces a blood line jutsu.
Kekkei genkei seemed to be discovered when the user is younger than Naruto and under duress. Haku and the Sharingan are the two I can think of (maybe Kimimaru too).
Ice (water + wind) and wood (earth + water) are the two I can think of. Each time we have seen a regular shinobi use multiple elements, they do so sequentially not simultaneously.
I believe that is the distinction between the two. Kekkei genkei are simulataneous combinations, while regular jutsu are sequential combinations.
Finally, we know that all users, except the rinnegan shinobi, are restricted to a maximum of four elements out of five (lightning > earth > water > fire > wind > lightning(repeated to complete a circle where the element to the left is superior to the element succeeding it on the right). Kakuzu may have been an exception since he had five hearts from different shinobi. Given that it is conjecture that ones physical heart is the source of primary elemental affinity.
:kakashi:
Example: After the time skip during the bell test with Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura, Kakashi uses four elements, but he does so sequentially. On the other hand, we see Yamato/Tenzo, use water in one hand with earth in the other to form wood during Naruto's elemental training. I believe that is an example of the distinction between the two. This is why Naruto will not learn ice, unless he digs up Haku's DNA, finds Kabutomaru(whatever his name is), and has him do some work. He may have his own kekkei genkei from his parents we don't know of yet. That's in another thread for discussion though.:naruto:
Elemental affinity:
Naruto has learned to combine spatial recomposition of chakra with elemental composition of wind to create his wind rasengans. Wind rasengan and Wind shuriken release rasengan ( the latter is forbidden, but I think it will no longer be the case after senjutsu training). Everyone wants to know what his second element will be. While we have conjectured what it will be, we have not yet (to my knowledge) how he would learn it. We also know that jounin in general know at least two elements.
Elemental chakra paper:
Recall the special elemental paper that Naruto cut, indicating his primary affinity was wind. I wonder if such paper also crumples a little or something less obvious that shows what a secondary affinity, i.e. one that is less strong. Perhaps the paper was sliced very cleanly, but crumpled a little too. I think that means lightning (crumpling), but that's not important.
:headband:
Because jounin tend to know at least two elements, I doubt that they waste time with trial and error, though it's a possibility. Therefor it is possible that there is a method to learning ones secondary and beyond elemental affinity. They may use the above method, or they may simply concentrate their chakra to the paper but try to focus on not using wind or their primary element. There may also be a different test than the one Naruto used to determine wind. I'm not sure that's possible. They may also try the simplest jutsu of an element (ex. fire ball) to guide them.
Genetics:
They may use family history to guide them. Naruto's mother was from Whirlpool country so she was likely water, and we know nothing of his father. This is unclear though. We saw Sarutobi (3rd Hokage) use fire and earth against Orochimaru, but Asuma was wind in affinity. We know nothing about his mother.
:sasuke:
Given that some clans like the Uchiha clan were all fire affinity (that's the criteria for being an Uchiha I think Sasuke's dad said, or a coming of age, I forget), it may be genetic. The genetics may be complicated and require an interaction between the parents DNA during conception. Given that Sasuke had fire affinity by his clan, and I believe lightning affinity from his chakra, it may be a combination of genetics for one affinity and chakra for another.
No secondary affinity:
Finally, there may not be a secondary elemental affinity. Shinobi may simply go through a process of learning jutsu of different elements without an affinity for them. I have a feeling that it may be similar to this, but not completely lacking in affinity. The reason is that they could then simply choose what jutsu to learn.
That covers my thoughts on how one discovers their secondary and beyond elemental affinities. I appreciate your input, since I want to know. This post is long, and somewhat confusing to read. If you want, tell me to edit it, and I'll clean it up. Thanks, hope it was helpful and fun.
Goal:
What I'd like this thread to be about is how one acquires their second and beyond elemental jutsu. Further, to produce clarity that distinguishes combining elements from kekkei genkei.
Kekkei Genkei distinction:
As well, I believe we know that having more than two plus elemental affinities and combining them into a jutsu produces a blood line jutsu.
Kekkei genkei seemed to be discovered when the user is younger than Naruto and under duress. Haku and the Sharingan are the two I can think of (maybe Kimimaru too).
Ice (water + wind) and wood (earth + water) are the two I can think of. Each time we have seen a regular shinobi use multiple elements, they do so sequentially not simultaneously.
I believe that is the distinction between the two. Kekkei genkei are simulataneous combinations, while regular jutsu are sequential combinations.
Finally, we know that all users, except the rinnegan shinobi, are restricted to a maximum of four elements out of five (lightning > earth > water > fire > wind > lightning(repeated to complete a circle where the element to the left is superior to the element succeeding it on the right). Kakuzu may have been an exception since he had five hearts from different shinobi. Given that it is conjecture that ones physical heart is the source of primary elemental affinity.
:kakashi:
Example: After the time skip during the bell test with Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura, Kakashi uses four elements, but he does so sequentially. On the other hand, we see Yamato/Tenzo, use water in one hand with earth in the other to form wood during Naruto's elemental training. I believe that is an example of the distinction between the two. This is why Naruto will not learn ice, unless he digs up Haku's DNA, finds Kabutomaru(whatever his name is), and has him do some work. He may have his own kekkei genkei from his parents we don't know of yet. That's in another thread for discussion though.:naruto:
Elemental affinity:
Naruto has learned to combine spatial recomposition of chakra with elemental composition of wind to create his wind rasengans. Wind rasengan and Wind shuriken release rasengan ( the latter is forbidden, but I think it will no longer be the case after senjutsu training). Everyone wants to know what his second element will be. While we have conjectured what it will be, we have not yet (to my knowledge) how he would learn it. We also know that jounin in general know at least two elements.
Elemental chakra paper:
Recall the special elemental paper that Naruto cut, indicating his primary affinity was wind. I wonder if such paper also crumples a little or something less obvious that shows what a secondary affinity, i.e. one that is less strong. Perhaps the paper was sliced very cleanly, but crumpled a little too. I think that means lightning (crumpling), but that's not important.
:headband:
Because jounin tend to know at least two elements, I doubt that they waste time with trial and error, though it's a possibility. Therefor it is possible that there is a method to learning ones secondary and beyond elemental affinity. They may use the above method, or they may simply concentrate their chakra to the paper but try to focus on not using wind or their primary element. There may also be a different test than the one Naruto used to determine wind. I'm not sure that's possible. They may also try the simplest jutsu of an element (ex. fire ball) to guide them.
Genetics:
They may use family history to guide them. Naruto's mother was from Whirlpool country so she was likely water, and we know nothing of his father. This is unclear though. We saw Sarutobi (3rd Hokage) use fire and earth against Orochimaru, but Asuma was wind in affinity. We know nothing about his mother.
:sasuke:
Given that some clans like the Uchiha clan were all fire affinity (that's the criteria for being an Uchiha I think Sasuke's dad said, or a coming of age, I forget), it may be genetic. The genetics may be complicated and require an interaction between the parents DNA during conception. Given that Sasuke had fire affinity by his clan, and I believe lightning affinity from his chakra, it may be a combination of genetics for one affinity and chakra for another.
No secondary affinity:
Finally, there may not be a secondary elemental affinity. Shinobi may simply go through a process of learning jutsu of different elements without an affinity for them. I have a feeling that it may be similar to this, but not completely lacking in affinity. The reason is that they could then simply choose what jutsu to learn.
That covers my thoughts on how one discovers their secondary and beyond elemental affinities. I appreciate your input, since I want to know. This post is long, and somewhat confusing to read. If you want, tell me to edit it, and I'll clean it up. Thanks, hope it was helpful and fun.
