Difference between Sasuke and Madara's Rinnegan Awakening.
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Naruto becomes a pseudo Juubi Jin as shown when he gets TSB. Juubi was awakened by taking in a tiny bit of Kuruma and Hachibi.
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Useless plot point in your theory, while my theory makes use of the speech between Hashirama and Sasuke.
Transcendence
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This is obvious.
Hashirama's DNA (Partial amounts of Yang) and the massive Yin, lead to the awakening of the Rin'negan, albeit with Tomoe. The awakening of the tomoe on top of the normal Rin'negan is likely due to the overwhelming amount of Yin from Hagoromo and we know that the Tomoe's in this manga are a representation of Yin, as the Uchiha's Sharingan have it as does the Juubi's Dojutsu, and those both represent Yin. It hastened the mutation since Madara had much less Rikudou chakra overall whereas Sasuke's was in abundance and mixed, but it was dominantly Yin, with a bit of Yang, enough to awaken the Rin'negan. Madara himself stated Sasuke awakened the Rin'negan. And to say he can't access the full power is fallacious. He accessed Bansho Tenin (pulling the CT's), Chibaku Tensei, both Deva Paths, Outer Path to absorb the Bijuu's chakra and Preta Path against Naruto. That's more than enough sample evidence to conclude that he can use all the Paths on top of Amenotejikara.
Hashirama's DNA (Partial amounts of Yang) and the massive Yin, lead to the awakening of the Rin'negan, albeit with Tomoe. The awakening of the tomoe on top of the normal Rin'negan is likely due to the overwhelming amount of Yin from Hagoromo and we know that the Tomoe's in this manga are a representation of Yin, as the Uchiha's Sharingan have it as does the Juubi's Dojutsu, and those both represent Yin. It hastened the mutation since Madara had much less Rikudou chakra overall whereas Sasuke's was in abundance and mixed, but it was dominantly Yin, with a bit of Yang, enough to awaken the Rin'negan. Madara himself stated Sasuke awakened the Rin'negan. And to say he can't access the full power is fallacious. He accessed Bansho Tenin (pulling the CT's), Chibaku Tensei, both Deva Paths, Outer Path to absorb the Bijuu's chakra and Preta Path against Naruto. That's more than enough sample evidence to conclude that he can use all the Paths on top of Amenotejikara.
Transcendence
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Why do you conveniently forget that their powers come directly from Kaguya whom herself is the Juubi and by extension, the Bijuu's? Oh wait, you're too stupid to realize that and have Madara's **** too far down your throat.
TSB is obtained by having the Six Paths Senjutsu. You get that by either becoming Juubi's Jinchuuriki or having Hagoromo's Senjutsu. Naruto obtained it through the latter.
Is your reading comprehension honestly this bad? He's talking about Madara, who possess Indra's Chakra as his previous reincarnation, Hashirama's/Ashura's Chakra by taking Hashirama's Chakra, and Kurama's Chakra as Juubi's Jinchuuriki. That is how he could come out, and did it by getting out of his lower remains.
''So it's Hagoromo who gave you those techniques'' - Techniques referring to the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei.
What speech?
Naruto gained it on his own gaining a tiny bit of each bijuu.
Which is essentially why Hago only appears after
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. Techniques, referring to the seals as she had only appeared and they did not fight yet.
The whole talk Hashirama has with Sasuke, its completely pointless if Sasuke simply never put Hashirama's chakra to use. He does which is how he gets the rinnegan.
Naruto had bijuu chakra before he received the power up and still didn't have the mode, heck he still asks for their chakra when doing attacks. How can his cloak be using their chakra? Makes no sense...
KisuneUchiha
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Then why the tomoe? The sosp can be divided into having two abilities...
1.) Eye power (Yin/Rinnegan/Doujutsu)
And 2.) Body Power (Yang/Sage Mode/ Senjutsu)
If Sasuke has the power of only one Rinnegan, that would be inferring that he has only 1/4th of the Sages power, which would be in direct conflict with the manga which has clearly stated that he has HALF of the power of the sosp
He had every bijuu bar one tails and 8 tails before he even faced Madara, and there was zero indication of him having anything remotely close to RM until sage gave him senjutsu of sixpaths.
Even still assuming what you're saying is true, why would naruto ask for their chakra if he can use it on his own for his cloak? Or why didn't he ask for their chakra when using the cloak? Again makes no sense. Better to just stick with the manga, which says they were given the powers.
KisuneUchiha
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In the pictures you can obviously see that there is an extreme focus on their hands (the ones with the seals on them btw) or do you lack reading comprehension?
This is the last reply, fodder.
End of discussion.
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Or he appeared at the moment the Hokages came, since he wished to talk with them.
She didn't need to fight them. She knows the techniques via her fight with her sons who had them.
It's useless because Kishimoto never made use of it. Just like how he didn't make use of the Rikudou Weapons foreshadowing its use to seal Madara away. So invalid. And as I and manga mentioned, Hashirama didn't have Ashura's Chakra as it reincarnated to Naruto. Therefore, he got it from Hagoromo.
End of discussion.
Um no. He wouldnt have gotten to that point until he had a tiny bit of each. The juubi couldnt awaken until he had gotten a tiny bit of Kuruma and Hachibi.
What does this even mean? Did he not actively talk with Kuruma once they become friends when they fought. This proves nothing.
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dont listen to butthurt clowns who say he didnt awaken it. yes he did awaken it due to getting hagos yin chakra (and perhaps from some hashiramas cells). manga has established hagos chakra is the reqirement in awakening the rinegan, madara got that by mixing indra and ashuras chakra. on the other hand sasuke got half of that chakra from the man himself hence it sped up the process massively making hes left Ems eye change to rinnegan. hagoromo didnt give him the rinnegan physically, what he gave him was hes chakra which is what allowed sasuke awaken that rinnegan. even madara acknowledge sasuke did
and yes you are right, it does have the power of two rinnegans as sasuke used CT which is the full power of deva alongside having hes own special technique in amenotejikara.
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hes rinnegan
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and yes you are right, it does have the power of two rinnegans as sasuke used CT which is the full power of deva alongside having hes own special technique in amenotejikara.
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