Difference between Minato /Tobirama and Gai

[KingHashirama]

According to a lot of folks in the base Gai is faster than Minato and Tobirama in 7th gate.. only issue is.. hes really not. And folks are acting like 7th Gate Gai showed some super duper speed that put him automatically above Tobirama and Minato.. well thats a big misconception.. He technically is faster than them... and then he isn't.



Tobirama and Minato from the start were never on Gai's level as far as body speed goes.. anyone who claims they were is wrong. They are physically inferior. Despite both being drastically faster than 6th gate gai in travel speed via shunshin.. they can't replicate this:

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The most used scan to claim Gai is faster than Minato:

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^^^ I'm not gonna get into the plain out difference in those scenarios, should be visible to most.

- Gai pops up in front of Madara with crazy speed, while madara is in the little cover positon ( arm in front of your face and squinting to see through a bright light/explosion like Kakashi/Minato/Gaara were).

- Minato pops up in front of Madara with FTG speed , while Madara standing perfectly fine.

- Gai then proceeds to use his non-matched taijutsu skills with the enhanced speed he already had, which Minato wasn't on the level of even with Gai in only 6th gate or 5th gate

- Minato once he pops up with FTG in front of Madara has nowhere near the striking speed of someone like Gai, had no explosivness << nowhere near the same level as taijutsu of Gai.


^^^^^^^^^ the above was the difference in taijutsu skills... just like how in the battle the word "taijutsu" is emphasized over and over..The same word that has never been used for Minato or Tobirama in the entire manga.


When it comes to speed of Traveling and using speed skills like FTG.. Minato is still superior to Gai. Gai is simply better in Taijutsu.

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So if Gai is faster than Minato, due to his taijutsu skills and striking speed.. then he doesn't even need the 7th gate for that... he shits on Tobirama/Minato's striking speed in the 6th gate. But no clue why people use the reference of him displaying his taijutsu skills.

Somebody with who is skilled in fighting and can go to 100mph in speed , not just foot but physically.. will seem faster in a fight, compared to a guy who can only go 120 mph in simply distance speed. Sure the guy with 120 mph can approach the enemy faster.. but he doesn't have anywhere near the striking speed of the other guy to give a challenge..

 

[Tyris]

Guy solos those hyped fodder

 

[Troyg39]

I'll say one thing and then this entire thing should be put to rest.

The guy that's the fastest hit their targets first. If Gai is fast enough to hit Madara, he's fast enough to hit Madara. If you can't say that about Minato (my favorite), then he's not as fast. Gai in 8th Gate would hit Minato with FTG first. Sage Senjutsu>Frog Senjutsu. Minato loses at his fastest.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'll say one thing and then this entire thing should be put to rest.

The guy that's the fastest hit their targets first. If Gai is fast enough to hit Madara, he's fast enough to hit Madara. If you can't say that about Minato (my favorite), then he's not as fast.

Thats false. Hitting requires striking speed, which requires Taijutsu training.. which Gai shits on Minato even in base... yet he can't match Minato's traveling speed without going into the upper gates.

Gai in base also superior to Minato in base when it comes to body control. Minato Ftg'd in and out in the short distance of clash between the orbs and 8th Gate Gai.

 

[Troyg39]

Thats false. Hitting requires striking speed, which requires Taijutsu training.. which Gai shits on Minato even in base... yet he can't match Minato's traveling speed without going into the upper gates.

Gai in 8th gate is faster than Minato with FTG and in Frog Senjutsu. Sage Senjutsu>FTG and Frog Senjutsu. He can do more damage than Kurama Modes. Naruto never did that type of damage to Madara in any form prior to getting Sage Powers.

Gai moves faster than Minato can travel and strike. It's that simple

 

[KingHashirama]

Gai in 8th gate is faster than Minato with FTG and in Frog Senjutsu. Sage Senjutsu>FTG and Frog Senjutsu. He's faster than He can do more damage than Kurama Modes. Naruto never did that type of damage to Madara in any form prior to getting Sage Powers.

Gai moves faster than Minato can travel and strike. It's that simple

FTG =/= striking speed.. you are mentioning FTG as if FTG somehow gives him Taijutsu skills he didn't have.

Gai in 6th gate has faster striking speed than Minato with senjutsu.

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Gai in 6th gate is nowhere near this speed:

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"Faster than Minato can travel".. uh no.

FTG is still the fastest thing in the manga. Giving user the ability to be only 1-2 meters in front of 8th gate Gai's attack, and having them poof before it even connects.

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[Troyg39]

FTG =/= striking speed.. you are mentioning FTG as if FTG somehow gives him Taijutsu skills he didn't have.

Gai in 6th gate has faster striking speed than Minato with senjutsu.

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Gai in 6th gate is nowhere near this speed:

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"Faster than Minato can travel".. uh no.

FTG is still the fastest thing in the manga. Giving user the ability to be only 1-2 meters in front of 8th gate Gai's attack, and having them poof before it even connects.

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Bold: The faster man is never the one that gets hit. Gai's striking speed is faster than Minato's. He'll land and hit a target faster than even Minato can travel and land a hit.'

Except a hit from 8th Gate Gai on Minato will die from that hit.

Unless you are saying Minato can somehow dodge or tank a decisive blow for him that someone faster than him couldn't, /thread

EDIT: Had to edit just to tell you that comparing the a young 4TH Raikage to a 8th gate Gai and young Minato reflexes to Sage Madara isn't a very good argument

 

[BlacLord™]

TL;DR - Gai has better striking speed where the FTG duo have better shunshin and reflexes.

 

[KingHashirama]

Bold: The faster man is never the one that gets hit, the faster man is the one that doesn't get killed. Gai's striking speed is faster than Minato's. He'll land and hit a target faster than even Minato can hit.'

Except a hit from 8th Gate Gai on Minato will die from that hit.

Unless you are saying Minato can somehow dodge or tank a decisive blow for him that someone faster than him couldn't, /thread

@when it hits him, and if it hits him.

By someone faster than him you are referring to JJ Madara? Can you show me the scan of JJ Madara poofing in near an instant in front 8th Gai's attack? no.. in which way does that make JJ Madara faster in traveling speed?

JJ Madara was also, in case you didn't notice, partially caught off-guard. And once Gai was able to get close.. his taijutsu skills were too good compared to JJ Madara's.

lol no Juubi's jinchuriki is faster than FTG. There is already a scan of Minato showcasing traveling speed faster than JJ Madara or Gai via FTG.

Let me know when this guy:

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can replicate this:

[video=youtube;rjAk9ihnI_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAk9ihnI_I[/video]



And then do tell me who we consider to be the ffastest man in the world.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Difference is Gai soloes them both.

 

[Troyg39]

@when it hits him, and if it hits him.

By someone faster than him you are referring to JJ Madara? Can you show me the scan of JJ Madara poofing in near an instant in front 8th Gai's attack? no.. in which way does that make JJ Madara faster in traveling speed?

JJ Madara was also, in case you didn't notice, partially caught off-guard. And once Gai was able to get close.. his taijutsu skills were too good compared to JJ Madara's.

lol no Juubi's jinchuriki is faster than FTG. There is already a scan of Minato showcasing traveling speed faster than JJ Madara or Gai via FTG.

Let me know when this guy:

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can replicate this:

[video=youtube;rjAk9ihnI_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAk9ihnI_I[/video]



And then do tell me who we consider to be the ffastest man in the world.

Bold: Right, he couldn't touch him because he wasn't fast enough to travel and strike him. He wasn't even fast enough to react to him. Gai moves and attacks faster than Sage Madara can react. He can certainly move and attack faster than Minato can handle.

Unless you are saying Minato has a relfex level higher than Sage Senjutsu reflexes, you have no argument. You used a young 4th Raikage speed attack as an example of an 8th Gate Gai speed attack against a young regular Minato relfex level vs a Sage Madara reflex level.

His reflexes have been shown to be slower than Gai's striking speed through Sage Madara. Gai's striking speed>Minato's relfexes. And that's a fact. You have no argument

 

[nandachikara]

ftg stomps in travel speed(shushin),gai has unrivaled striking speed...still no where near instant(teleport) though like minato's speed.

nice thread bro

 

[sagemode07]

Guy solos those hyped fodder

What did I just read
Guy can't hit Tobirama outside of 7/8 gate, and Tobirama can avoid any attack with ftg
Get wrecked son

 

[Troyg39]

Difference is Gai soloes them both.

Viola. And thus my point. Gai's striking speed>Minato's best relfexes. Not even Sage Madara's reflexes could dodge the Gai's striking Speed. Gai's travel AND attack speed couldn't even do that. Gai's striking speed>Sage Madara's relfexes>Minato's relfexes and Minato's travel AND attack speed

 

[KingHashirama]

Bold: Right, he couldn't touch him because he wasn't fast enough to travel and strike him. He wasn't even fast enough to react to him. Gai moves and attacks faster than Sage Madara can react. He can certainly move and attack faster than Minato can handle.

Unless you are saying Minato's has a relfex level higher than Sage Senjutsu reflexes, you have no argument. You used a young 4th Raikage speed attack as an example of an 8th Gate Gai speed attack against a young regular Minato relfex level vs a Sage Madara reflex level.

And that's a fact. You have no argument

7th Gate Gai and 8th gate gai barely no dodging speed feats. While you were shown a scan of, where Minato was able to come between the black orbs and then poof once the black orbs made contact, while 8th gate gai's attack was nearly close to him. Your claim of him not being able to dodge the hit from JJ Madara, doesn't take anything away from a feat he showcased later on. Furthermore, MADARA DID REACT... he wasn't fast enough tho, he stepped back, however Gai's explosive and taijutsu movements allowed him to keep up with him. .. and guess what? Minato on the other hand went POOF right a mere feet or 2 feet away from Gai.



^^^^ You have failed to provide a counter to the scan that showed the 8th gai speed vs FTG.. and have been going on about "faster striking speed = Faster traveling speed".. when the whole logic behind that is stupid as hell.. and isn't even realistic.

Fastest man in the world = Guy who can travel from point A to point B the fastest.... NOT the guy who kicks and punches the fastest. Otherwise you would have boxers and kick boxers as the fastest people in the world, due to the fact they shit on Usain Bolt, in dodging/striking speed.. But that is not the case.

Minato has better reflexes than a JJ Madara who was caught by a surprise? hell yea he does. JJ Madara has no where near the speed of FTG... only thing that matches FTG speed is Sasuke's eye technique. That is it. FTG is the fastest ability in this series.

 

[Troyg39]

7th Gate Gai and 8th gate gai barely no dodging speed feats. While you were shown a scan of, where Minato was able to come between the black orbs and then poof once the black orbs made contact, while 8th gate gai's attack was nearly close to him. Your claim of him not being able to dodge the hit from JJ Madara, doesn't take anything away from a feat he showcased later on.



^^^^ You have failed to provide a counter to the scan that showed the 8th gai speed vs FTG.. and have been going on about "faster striking speed = Faster traveling speed".. when the whole logic behind that is stupid as hell.. and isn't even realistic.

Fastest man in the world = Guy who can travel from point A to point B the fastest.... NOT the guy who kicks and punches the fastest. Otherwise you would have boxers and kick boxers as the fastest people in the world, due to the fact they shit on Usain Bolt, in dodging/striking speed.. But that is not the case.

Minato has better reflexes than a JJ Madara who was caught by a surprise? hell yea he does. JJ Madara has no where near the speed of FTG... only thing that matches FTG speed is Sasuke's eye technique. That is it. FTG is the fastest ability in this series.

He doesn't need to dodge. He can move and land a hit faster than Minato can react. Minato has not shown a feat that can dodge something as fast as Gai's striking speed in 8th Gate. Gai in 8th Gate has already proven his striking speed is faster than a higher level of relfexes that Minato has against Madara's Sage Senjutsu. Madara's Sage Senjutsu proved he was faster than Minato with FTG. He dealt a blow first. Sage Madara couldn't land a blow against Gai's 8th Gate striking speed. He couldn't react fast enough.

A 4th Raikage Speed level attack is not on the same level as an 8th Gai attack, so it's invalid. Prove Minato has a higher reaction level than Sage Madara or he can't land a blow faster than Gai can land a blow. And Gai only needs one blow

 

[KingHashirama]

He doesn't need to dodge. He can move and land a hit faster than Minato can react. Minato has not shown a feat that can dodge something as fast as Gai's striking speed in 8th Gate. Gai in 8th Gate has already proven his striking speed is faster than a higher level of relfexes that Minato has against Madara's Sage Senjutsu. Madara's Sage Senjutsu proved he was faster than Minato with FTG. He dealt a blow first. Sage Madara couldn't land a blow against Gai's 8th Gate striking speed. He couldn't react fast enough.

A 4th Raikage Speed level attack is not on the same level as an 8th Gai attack, so it's invalid. Prove Minato has a higher reaction level than Sage Madara or he can't land a blow faster than Gai can land a blow. And Gai only needs one blow

@Bold, scan???


Madara already reacted to 8th Gate gai, he casually engulfed himself... lol, he needed Minato/Kakashi/Gaara/Lee's help.. Minato also reacted to that speed. Madara couldn't dodge it, because he doesn't have FTG. Minato did due to having FTG.


Why are you mentioning Ay over and over?? lol. FTG is drastically superior to the Raikage's speed. I didn't even mention Ay.. only showed him in a gif that i used to compare him to 6th Gate Gai.. who has faster striking speed than the Minato who dodged Ay's attack. Since you were claiming fastest striking speed = fastest traveling speed.


I don't know how VVVVVVVVVV this is possible without being able to react.

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[Troyg39]

@Bold, scan???


Madara already reacted to 8th Gate gai, he casually engulfed himself... lol, he needed Minato/Kakashi/Gaara/Lee's help.. Minato also reacted to that speed. Madara couldn't dodge it, because he doesn't have FTG. Minato did due to having FTG.


Why are you mentioning Ay over and over?? lol. FTG is drastically superior to the Raikage's speed. I didn't even mention Ay.. only showed him in a gif that i used to compare him to 6th Gate Gai.. who has faster striking speed than the Minato who dodged Ay's attack. Since you were claiming fastest striking speed = fastest traveling speed.


I don't know how VVVVVVVVVV this is possible without being able to react.

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Wasn't him at his fastest

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Notice he was physically fast enough to distort space. That's light travel. Show Minato dodging an attack that fast. No? Ok. I'm going to watch a movie with my girl now

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

without FTG Gai is faster. He has faster striking speed and movement speed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Wasn't him at his fastest

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Notice he was physically fast enough to distort space. That's light travel. Show Minato dodging an attack that fast. No? Ok. I'm going to watch a movie with my girl now

Just like he was fast enough to create fire balls out of his hand. His strike was fast, not his travel speed. Your Favorite Minato can't create fire balls with physical movement.. but hes faster than 6th gate gai who can. Unless you want to change your mind regarding that ??

All of Gai's abilities such as Hirudora and etc are about his striking speed.


And even in that scan, Madara was able to react to Gai.. And further more, he was able to see Gai coming from couple meters away.. and you are saying the same Minato who poofed on contact with the black orbs won't be able to dodge him, become someone who doesn't have FTG couldn't? wtf.

FTG is a space/time manipulating jutsu .. Gai distorted space with physical movement.. Minato can't do that. However, that doesn't mean FTG is slower..