[Question] Did Zoro & Sanji even showed off their Haki yet ?

[ToshiZO]

Ok, you're right about a few of these.

The first one... no man, that wasn't Armament she was talking about. There are more than 1 type of haki you know, she was referring to his Observation, dodging those attacks. Why would he show AH, that early, against a pacafista?

The second one, you can't see his hand. But since he was able to go through a logia like that, yeah it's safe to assume that was Haki, and his hand was black. You can't claim that it wasn't when you can't see it, an more often than not, it is.

I don't see any Haki in that third one, and if there was some that was just observation Haki.

But the ones with Caesar, you're right on. I don't see any black on those, I'll take my L.

I can't believe you guys think I'm just making up BS though, you see me here giving you manga quotes, manga facts and definitions. It seems like this is a pointless debate, where we're just thinking different things.

I'll give you the first one because it wasn't all too clear. But Law taking Smokers heart, was without the use of armament: hardening. Prior to the attack it showed his hand on a separate panel. Oda purposefully left it normal.

From what I can tell there are two versions of armament. Regular armament and armament hardening. Bushouhaki Kouka is what its called I believe.

What I don't understand is how you previously downright ignored that Zoro made a logia bleed in Logia form, it was no different from that last panel where Luffy made Caesar bleed with a jet pistol, but Luffy doesn't have the demonic aura now does he?

Why making this into a zoro vs sanji. I never even said anything about that. Maybe that's why you deserve neg rep.

Also, why quote me and say something completely irrelevant. If you have something against me just send me a message.

If you look carefully at the thread title you would notice this is about Zoro's and Sanji's haki. So in fact none of my comments were irrelevant, it's a fact that both Zoro and Sanji haven't shown any significant haki up till now, and it is Luffy who is stealing the show when it comes to that department.

To answer your question. I can't rate it on that scale because I'm 0 butthurt, negging you was most satisfying.

haha you're a waste of time dude.

Jet Hawk was not hyping anything, we were simply trying to explain how Zoro infact has shown CoA to KingSmoke, yet as always you had to sneak in an irrelevant comment which had nothing to do with what he was saying.

 

[Love Cook]

Jet Hawk was not hyping anything, we were simply trying to explain how Zoro infact has shown CoA to KingSmoke, yet as always you had to sneak in an irrelevant comment which had nothing to do with what he was saying.

Cry me a river, he called me out in one of his comments. So here I am.

It's not irrelevant because once again this topic is about Zoro and Sanji using haki. Other than that tiny tiny scratch on Monet's cheek Zoro didn't use haki. Neither has Sanji shown any feats.

So to answer this question with the most irrelevant answer: No, they haven't shown anything yet. Hopefully there will be more. But they will have to do it quick because Luffy has been using it for three arcs now and they're dragging behind.

Now go waste your time on irrelevant ceasar panels.

 

[ToshiZO]

Cry me a river, he called me out in one of his comments. So here I am.

It's not irrelevant because once again this topic is about Zoro and Sanji using haki. Other than that tiny tiny scratch on Monet's cheek Zoro didn't use haki. Neither has Sanji shown any feats.

So to answer this question with the most irrelevant answer: No, they haven't shown anything yet. Hopefully there will be more. But they will have to do it quick because Luffy has been using it for three arcs now and they're dragging behind.

Now go waste your time on irrelevant ceasar panels.

haha you try waaaay too hard to keep Zoro tied to Sanji. Relax dude, just cause Zoro showed a CoA feat and Sanji didn't its not the end of the world. Sanji showed better CoO feats, if that makes you feel better.

 

[Love Cook]

haha you try waaaay too hard to keep Zoro tied to Sanji. Relax dude, just cause Zoro showed a CoA feat and Sanji didn't its not the end of the world. Sanji showed better CoO feats, if that makes you feel better.

Are you stupid ? Im not trying anything.

The title is literally Zoro AND Sanji, my answer is No, THEY haven't shown anything yet. I'm not trying anything, just stating facts.

Give it a try instead of fanboying around.

 

[ToshiZO]

haha dude is straight up in denial. Too desperate my friend.

"Did Zoro & Sanji even showed off their Haki yet ?"

Answer: Yes they have. Zoro has shown both CoA and CoO, Sanji has shown CoO.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Are you stupid ? Im not trying anything.

The title is literally Zoro AND Sanji, my answer is No, THEY haven't shown anything yet. I'm not trying anything, just stating facts.

Give it a try instead of fanboying around.

I really dont understand what the argument is about. Zoro HAS shown he can use arnament while Sanji has been stated to. Neither has had significant usage. Im not sure whether your saying its not been significant or he hasnt shown it.

 

[Bogard]

Fujitora didn't show black haki. His haki must be fodder

 

[Itachi Minato]

Fujitora didn't show black haki. His haki must be fodder

I dont think anyone said eithers hakis is fodder. They are just arguing whether Zoro has shown it or not.

 

[Love Cook]

I really dont understand what the argument is about. Zoro HAS shown he can use arnament while Sanji has been stated to. Neither has had significant usage. Im not sure whether your saying its not been significant or he hasnt shown it.

I've stated multiple times that I know that Zoro used it on Monet's cheek, but the haki usage from 2/3 of the Monster Trio is really lacking when compared to Luffy, who has been using it on a whole other level in the past 3 arcs.

That's why I'm saying that the need to step up their haki game, before they get left behind by Luffy. But ToshiZO has a hard time understanding what I'm saying, that's why my comments might seem a bit repetitive.

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't have a hard time understanding at all. I know exactly what you are trying to do here. Which is why I said its irrelevant.

 

[Bogard]

I dont think anyone said eithers hakis is fodder. They are just arguing whether Zoro has shown it or not.

Well i've read that Zoro didn't show haki because the one on Monet's cheek was fodder(considering it wasn't seen to be black)

 

[Love Cook]

Well i've read that Zoro didn't show haki because the one on Monet's cheek was fodder(considering it wasn't seen to be black)

No that is not what I said, read more careful.

Zoro undeniably used haki on Monet's cheek, but I said that the next step would be a black coating on Zoro's swords. That would be a significant step.

Then there were people claiming that such a thing is impossible/invisible

On which I responded that Smoker/Vergo/Z already basically did the same thing.

All because we know that Zoro and Sanji HAVE haki, but they haven't really shown their level of it yet.

We've seen Vergo in full body, we've seen Luffy with two limbs and we've seen Zoro and Sanji with basically nothing.

So I don't say that because Zoro's haki wasn't black (which would be impossible for a flying slash) that it doesn't count as haki, because he did cut a logia. All I'm saying is that it's time to do a bit more.

 

[ultraChalk]

Let's just get back to the main thing, him cutting her cheek. I feel like you guys are ignoring my main point here, completely ignoring it.

Monet said herself, 'his blood lust is palpable.' Can you explain this and prove me wrong? Zoro was striking with his blood lust when he sliced her in half. Tashigi confirms that wasn't Haki. She says 'palpable', which means that a FORCE can be felt or touched. His blood lust, was that force. She felt it an it sliced her. I'm not making up a dumb theory here I'm going off of her exact quote.

Just explain why she would make a comment on his prowess if he was using haki, that would be completely irrelevant then.

 

[ToshiZO]

No that is not what I said, read more careful.

Zoro undeniably used haki on Monet's cheek, but I said that the next step would be a black coating on Zoro's swords. That would be a significant step.

Then there were people claiming that such a thing is impossible/invisible

On which I responded that Smoker/Vergo/Z already basically did the same thing.

All because we know that Zoro and Sanji HAVE haki, but they haven't really shown their level of it yet.

We've seen Vergo in full body, we've seen Luffy with two limbs and we've seen Zoro and Sanji with basically nothing.

So I don't say that because Zoro's haki wasn't black (which would be impossible for a flying slash) that it doesn't count as haki, because he did cut a logia. All I'm saying is that it's time to do a bit more.

this last line is what renders the rest of your post irrelevant.

Is the question: Did Sanji and Zoro show the full power of their haki?

Or is it: Did Sanji and Zoro show haki?

you keep bringing up that Zoro's haki was weak, which is irrelevant, the strength of it does not matter, the fact that its there does.

Let's just get back to the main thing, him cutting her cheek. I feel like you guys are ignoring my main point here, completely ignoring it.

Monet said herself, 'his blood lust is palpable.' Can you explain this and prove me wrong? Zoro was striking with his blood lust when he sliced her in half. Tashigi confirms that wasn't Haki. She says 'palpable', which means that a FORCE can be felt or touched. His blood lust, was that force. She felt it an it sliced her. I'm not making up a dumb theory here I'm going off of her exact quote.

Just explain why she would make a comment on his prowess if he was using haki, that would be completely irrelevant then.

c'mon dude. You already admitted you were wrong that his sword didn't have to be black to display haki. Now you're gonna stretch this again? What he did to Monet was no different than what Luffy did to Caesar.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Let's just get back to the main thing, him cutting her cheek. I feel like you guys are ignoring my main point here, completely ignoring it.

Monet said herself, 'his blood lust is palpable.' Can you explain this and prove me wrong? Zoro was striking with his blood lust when he sliced her in half. Tashigi confirms that wasn't Haki. She says 'palpable', which means that a FORCE can be felt or touched. His blood lust, was that force. She felt it an it sliced her. I'm not making up a dumb theory here I'm going off of her exact quote.

Just explain why she would make a comment on his prowess if he was using haki, that would be completely irrelevant then.

Tashigi never said he didn't cut her cheek with Haki, it wasn't until he cut her in half that Tashigi commented with "He didn't use Haki!"

The palpable thing wasn't literal, it's the same way people say "You can feel the rage, the sadness, etc." It's an expression that just means his blood lust, his killing intent, is enormous and prominent.

In other to touch a Logia, you need Haki, Sea Stone, or to catch them off-guard in their human form.
Monet was transformed, he had no Sea Stone, so what does that leave? Even if his blood lust could be touched, even it was an actual physical thing, how many physical things have we seen be ineffective? The G5 bullets were physical, they passed through Monet. The Marines' swords and bullets are physical, and they passed through Ace. We've seen Luffy's physical fists pass through Smoker. We've seen physical bullets pass through Crocodile. Just being physical isn't enough.

 

[cryhwks]

Zoro obviously cut Monet's cheek with Haki and when he cut her in half he wasn't.

And anyone who thinks he wasn't using Haki when he cut her cheek is an idiot for the sake of being an idiot.

Because he clearly cut her cheek with Haki because he obviously drew blood and I don't see how you can legitimately think otherwise.

 

[Black Mamba]

@love cook @kingsmoke

lool sorry bros, but zoro did use CoA

 

[Itachi Minato]

@love cook @kingsmoke

lool sorry bros, but zoro did use CoA

Love cook was already agreeing with that. His point is jsut that they have shown barely anyhting compared to Luffy which is true. @ somebody who said Sanji wont be as good as CoA its pretty much confirmed he wont be. Sanjis specialty is CoO while Zoro is CoA.

 

[Black Mamba]

Love cook was already agreeing with that. His point is jsut that they have shown barely anyhting compared to Luffy which is true. @ somebody who said Sanji wont be as good as CoA its pretty much confirmed he wont be. Sanjis specialty is CoO while Zoro is CoA.

ah i see, i read his first comment and didn't see the "impressive" part, completely my fault.

the point i was tryna make across was zoro did use CoA,whether or not if it was impressive or not. which is what the OP asked