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In the season finale Eobard Thawne apparently ceases to exist so does that mean Barry's Mother never dies? If Eobard was never born then the mother won't die right? And Grodd will never get his power....
Did you see The Flash season finale?
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AlexanderGiuma
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Saw it at 6 am in the morning(Romanian Time Zone) And for your information,Eddie being Eobard`s ancestor killed himself,thus Eobard dissapearing.Also you forgot about Zolomon.
Ps. Try to read the comics if you didn`t until now.
Ps. Try to read the comics if you didn`t until now.
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I know that. So now whatever Eobard has done won't happen, thus Barry's mother doesn't die
Zolomon is for Wally West not Barry Allen
im pretty sure it doesn't erarse his actions, there would be way to many implications, it prob just deletes him, if what ur saying is true they wouldnt even remember it happened after it happened. everything he did stays.
i tried searching for and torrenting dc comics once, but man oh man i cant even wrap my head around all the different versions. maybe its just me but it seems to chatoic unless u get the paper version
Well if he never existed then Eddie would have had no reason to kill himself so then he would have existed and on and on and on.... He existed up to that point then stopped, but everything he did before has to remain for Eddie to have killed himself. This includes Barrys' mother
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I just watched it, and it was so awesome, I really wished they showed him closing that black hole though. btw dat Jay Garrick helmet.
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I'm more confused about Eddie killing himself to get rid of Eobard. I understand why it works on face value, BUT, in the comics Eobards ancestor turns out to be Barry's twin brother. Does this mean Eddie is Barry's twin separated at birth? They don't look the same age though. And if it isn't then him killing himself should have no real effect.
There's always the "future is unavoidable" scenario and while Eddie was Eobards link originally it may be destiny or fate or whatever that makes a different Thawne(Eddie's cousin or maybe brother we never heard about) Eobards ancestor now that Eddie is dead.
Jay's helmet popping out was one of the highlights for me. I was a little bitter with the ending, I mean it wasn't even a quality episode end let alone a season finale, how do you just end with him running into a black hole?
Did any of you guys catch the Stan Lee jab? I thought it was a funny poke at Marvel. I forget who(most likely Cisco maybe Wells, says Excelsior at one point)
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It was simply amazing. What a finale, what a show!
I knew Barry would not save his mom. Future Flash stopping him was just a very good scene. Barry saying goodbye to his mother was such an emotional scene, props to Grant.
I did not see Eddie shooting himself.
I knew Barry would not save his mom. Future Flash stopping him was just a very good scene. Barry saying goodbye to his mother was such an emotional scene, props to Grant.
I did not see Eddie shooting himself.
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I think the one that said Excelsior was martin stein, he jokek about wether he would say Excelsior or Excalibur, I cringed a bit there, since everyone knows that's Lee's catchphrase. But yeah I was expecting a better ending, future Flash costume was great though, and the mentioning of Rip Hunter for the Legends of Tomorrow, they even sneaked Hawkgirl in this episode.
Did you also saw Caitlin's Killer Frost while he was in the speedforce?
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I must have missed Killer Frost, I loved the Rip Hunter reference sense I'm reading Booster Gold right now. Is Rip in Legends of Tomorrow, I hadn't read that?
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TL;DR: Felt Flash didn't get to be the hero of his own series.
Just got done watching it and honestly I was a bit disappointed well actually a lot by it mainly because no matter what The Flash can't get his own win and doesn't feel like the hero. All that build up to the fight with Reverse-Flash and Green Arrow takes the win. I mean yeah Barry and Firestorm got a few blows in but the one who did the most damage to Reverse-Flash was Green Arrow first with the nanites to sap his speed then either the nanites again or a tranquiler to knock him out. This bothered me immensely, if I wanted Oliver Queen to save the day I would have finished watching Arrow. I tried to look past that and then again they take Flash's victory after he watched his mother die no less. It was pretty much known at least to me that it was going to happen that way just because it was an adaptation of Flashpoint but I mean coming off of that then having the entire win taken by Eddie Thawne killing himself seemed to kill the entire sense of buildup that was there. In a way I wanted it to be able to transition into The Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox for my own reasons as I felt it would be a nice way to top it off.
Even with that I felt the entire time that the Flash/Barry Allen at least this one wasn't getting to make his own decisions. He wasn't the hero, no matter how much he tried to be. Even his future self stopped to tell him not to save his mom. His entire life he was manipulated by Reverse-Flash, then even when he gets the chance to make his own final decision to save his mom or not another version of him tells him not to. I guess you could reason that he wasn't going to do it anyway but it would have been much better and held so much more weight at least to me if Barry Allen made that decision on his own not under the counsel of his future self. Those three instances, Green Arrow taking the first win, Future Flash telling him not to, and Eddie Thawne killing himself take the heroism aspect out of it for me. The show is titled The Flash he's the hero, not Oliver Queen and Eddie Thawne who oddly enough save the day.
Maybe it's just because The Flash is my favorite super hero but it just bothers me that throughout the entire series he has no genuine control over anything. This even goes beyond just the instances that bothered me the most. His love life for instance. Eddie Thawne killing himself takes all of the buildup/power out of the whole relationship thing. He works to go against what he predetermined was his fate then bam out of nowhere just goes "well it doesn't matter I'll off myself and save the day."
Another thing, he's seems so afraid of the Speed Force. The Flash I know embraces the Speed Force. He makes it his ***** becomes one with it, then jokes about it.
Edit: The only real time Barry gets to make his own true decision it blows up in his face. I'm referring to when he tries to transport the Metas to safety. The only time Barry Allen makes his own choice without anyone telling him what to do or manipulating him from behind the scenes it blows up literally and he still gets manipulated by someone.
I did like all the little nods to things like Jay Garrik's helm but ffs let the superhero be the superhero. ._.
Just got done watching it and honestly I was a bit disappointed well actually a lot by it mainly because no matter what The Flash can't get his own win and doesn't feel like the hero. All that build up to the fight with Reverse-Flash and Green Arrow takes the win. I mean yeah Barry and Firestorm got a few blows in but the one who did the most damage to Reverse-Flash was Green Arrow first with the nanites to sap his speed then either the nanites again or a tranquiler to knock him out. This bothered me immensely, if I wanted Oliver Queen to save the day I would have finished watching Arrow. I tried to look past that and then again they take Flash's victory after he watched his mother die no less. It was pretty much known at least to me that it was going to happen that way just because it was an adaptation of Flashpoint but I mean coming off of that then having the entire win taken by Eddie Thawne killing himself seemed to kill the entire sense of buildup that was there. In a way I wanted it to be able to transition into The Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox for my own reasons as I felt it would be a nice way to top it off.
Even with that I felt the entire time that the Flash/Barry Allen at least this one wasn't getting to make his own decisions. He wasn't the hero, no matter how much he tried to be. Even his future self stopped to tell him not to save his mom. His entire life he was manipulated by Reverse-Flash, then even when he gets the chance to make his own final decision to save his mom or not another version of him tells him not to. I guess you could reason that he wasn't going to do it anyway but it would have been much better and held so much more weight at least to me if Barry Allen made that decision on his own not under the counsel of his future self. Those three instances, Green Arrow taking the first win, Future Flash telling him not to, and Eddie Thawne killing himself take the heroism aspect out of it for me. The show is titled The Flash he's the hero, not Oliver Queen and Eddie Thawne who oddly enough save the day.
Maybe it's just because The Flash is my favorite super hero but it just bothers me that throughout the entire series he has no genuine control over anything. This even goes beyond just the instances that bothered me the most. His love life for instance. Eddie Thawne killing himself takes all of the buildup/power out of the whole relationship thing. He works to go against what he predetermined was his fate then bam out of nowhere just goes "well it doesn't matter I'll off myself and save the day."
Another thing, he's seems so afraid of the Speed Force. The Flash I know embraces the Speed Force. He makes it his ***** becomes one with it, then jokes about it.
Edit: The only real time Barry gets to make his own true decision it blows up in his face. I'm referring to when he tries to transport the Metas to safety. The only time Barry Allen makes his own choice without anyone telling him what to do or manipulating him from behind the scenes it blows up literally and he still gets manipulated by someone.
I did like all the little nods to things like Jay Garrik's helm but ffs let the superhero be the superhero. ._.
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Hey is this a plot hole? Remember Eobard told Barry that the only way can travel back to his mothers murder is if he remembers the exact location of it right? Then how did Eobard go their in the first place? How the hell can he imagine a time in which he was never even present?
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History books maybe? Once he learned Flash was Barry he must have looked up Barry's history and saw where he lived as a child. Or maybe he just focused on young Barry and let the Speed Force guide him there.
@pawsx no I hadn't seen that. I've heard rumors about Booster Gold getting film treatment but not sure if it's a show or movie either way I hope it happens.