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Re: THEORY: all of tobis theorys are correct
Intersting very interesting
Intersting very interesting
Did this Chapter Really Confirm Tobi being Obito...?
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Who SHOULD Tobi be, if not Obito
People seem rather...distraught by the latest chapter...Just curious, who should Tobi be according to what you thought up till now and explain your evidence.....Im assuming theres some reason behind this uproar..i hope at least
People seem rather...distraught by the latest chapter...Just curious, who should Tobi be according to what you thought up till now and explain your evidence.....Im assuming theres some reason behind this uproar..i hope at least
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So Tobi is a Uchiha, you should know what that means...
So a little while ago I made what I thought to be a pretty good thread about the possibility of both Senju and Uchihas being able to get the Rinnegan. No it wasn't your typical one where a Naruto fanboy was just trying to find ways to give Naruto every jutsu in the world. It was actually well thought out and used Nagato as it's primary source of argument.
This may get lengthy, so for those with less time, the main point of the thread I made now is that Tobi being a Uchiha proves that Nagato's eyes are not transplanted. Just skip to the end of the thread if you can figure out where I'm going with this just off of that little bit.
~Old Thread~
^The old thread that will explain in detail my main point for this one. It was a long on as well, so I'll summarize it for you.
~Old Thread Summary~
In the thread I was saying that Nagato's Rinnegan was naturally awakened (no transplant). Nagato doesn't have any Sharingan moves, so to me that says his Rinnegan isn't a sharingan-evolved one. Both Senju and Uchiha can obtain a differnt version of the Rinnegan with some of the same moves as well as moves unique to the clan. Basically:
Senju Rinnegan=Physical moves=creation of all things, moon, paths, etc
Uchiha Rinnegan=Spritiual/Mental Moves=Sharingan based moves, genjutsus, paths etc
Basically the way they obtain the Rinnegan is through the yin and yang concept. Uchiha's get it by increasing their physical energy (i.e. Madara awakening Rinnegan before death) and the Senju can awaken theirs by increasing their mental/spiritual energy. Since Senju don't have the sharingan, they dont get the mental moves that the sharingan offers with their Rinnegan, they just get the physcical stuff. And without harishima's cells, I dont think it would've been possible for Madara to do the moon thing he did against the Kages.
If this is a little confusing, please read the full thread, it was explained in more detail.
~Conclusion~
The main argument at first was the idea that Nagato not being a Uchiha meant he wasn't supposed to be able to use the sharingan moves that his Rinnegan had. At the time of writing this thread, I assumed that Tobi was a Uchiha. Since Tobi was using the same Rinnegan that Nagato was, and people strongly felt that Nagato's eye came from Madara, who evolved his from the sharingan, then that would mean if Tobi were a Uchiha, he should have the Uchiha move-set in the Rinnegan. But he doesn't, he just has everything that Nagato had.
Before, it wasn't proven that Tobi was a Uchiha, so when I said ofcorse people natrually jumped on that and bascially said I had a good theory, but that hole was too large to accept it. Well now that Tobi has been proven to be Uchiha, yet he obviously can't use any sharingan moves with his Rinnegan (he had to get one rinnegan and a separate sharingan remember?) that can only mean that Nagato's Rinnegan didn't originate from a sharingan, but through more natrual means. What do you guys think?
So a little while ago I made what I thought to be a pretty good thread about the possibility of both Senju and Uchihas being able to get the Rinnegan. No it wasn't your typical one where a Naruto fanboy was just trying to find ways to give Naruto every jutsu in the world. It was actually well thought out and used Nagato as it's primary source of argument.
This may get lengthy, so for those with less time, the main point of the thread I made now is that Tobi being a Uchiha proves that Nagato's eyes are not transplanted. Just skip to the end of the thread if you can figure out where I'm going with this just off of that little bit.
~Old Thread~
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^The old thread that will explain in detail my main point for this one. It was a long on as well, so I'll summarize it for you.
~Old Thread Summary~
In the thread I was saying that Nagato's Rinnegan was naturally awakened (no transplant). Nagato doesn't have any Sharingan moves, so to me that says his Rinnegan isn't a sharingan-evolved one. Both Senju and Uchiha can obtain a differnt version of the Rinnegan with some of the same moves as well as moves unique to the clan. Basically:
Senju Rinnegan=Physical moves=creation of all things, moon, paths, etc
Uchiha Rinnegan=Spritiual/Mental Moves=Sharingan based moves, genjutsus, paths etc
Basically the way they obtain the Rinnegan is through the yin and yang concept. Uchiha's get it by increasing their physical energy (i.e. Madara awakening Rinnegan before death) and the Senju can awaken theirs by increasing their mental/spiritual energy. Since Senju don't have the sharingan, they dont get the mental moves that the sharingan offers with their Rinnegan, they just get the physcical stuff. And without harishima's cells, I dont think it would've been possible for Madara to do the moon thing he did against the Kages.
If this is a little confusing, please read the full thread, it was explained in more detail.
~Conclusion~
The main argument at first was the idea that Nagato not being a Uchiha meant he wasn't supposed to be able to use the sharingan moves that his Rinnegan had. At the time of writing this thread, I assumed that Tobi was a Uchiha. Since Tobi was using the same Rinnegan that Nagato was, and people strongly felt that Nagato's eye came from Madara, who evolved his from the sharingan, then that would mean if Tobi were a Uchiha, he should have the Uchiha move-set in the Rinnegan. But he doesn't, he just has everything that Nagato had.
Before, it wasn't proven that Tobi was a Uchiha, so when I said ofcorse people natrually jumped on that and bascially said I had a good theory, but that hole was too large to accept it. Well now that Tobi has been proven to be Uchiha, yet he obviously can't use any sharingan moves with his Rinnegan (he had to get one rinnegan and a separate sharingan remember?) that can only mean that Nagato's Rinnegan didn't originate from a sharingan, but through more natrual means. What do you guys think?
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Re: I dont think Tobi is Obito
i dont think it was the same person when he had long hair, when he was controlling the mizu and when he seen itachi; i think it was shisui' body at that point thats why they couldn't find his body and why he completely controlled the mizu with ka
i dont think it was the same person when he had long hair, when he was controlling the mizu and when he seen itachi; i think it was shisui' body at that point thats why they couldn't find his body and why he completely controlled the mizu with ka
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Is Obito really Obito???
Remember when Tobi attacked Konoha and Fought Minato?
Remember when Minato threw the Kunai through his Tobi's head and teleported there and Rasengan'ed him?
If Tobi is Obito, then why didn't Obito see that coming.
Obito should've seen that was coming due to his training with minato back in the day.
Instead, Tobi fell for it.
I'm just saying, could Obito be someone else faking him?
Remember when Tobi attacked Konoha and Fought Minato?
Remember when Minato threw the Kunai through his Tobi's head and teleported there and Rasengan'ed him?
If Tobi is Obito, then why didn't Obito see that coming.
Obito should've seen that was coming due to his training with minato back in the day.
Instead, Tobi fell for it.
I'm just saying, could Obito be someone else faking him?
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Re: So Tobi is a Uchiha, you should know what that means...
I don't like Naruto Uzamaki.
I don't like Naruto Uzamaki.
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Re: Obito
I do not want to see another badass villain (or at least he was before we saw his face) turn good due to Naruto's pathetic speech.
And Naruto does not need the Rinnegan or the Sharingan. That would just be ridiculous.
I do not want to see another badass villain (or at least he was before we saw his face) turn good due to Naruto's pathetic speech.
And Naruto does not need the Rinnegan or the Sharingan. That would just be ridiculous.
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Re: Is Obito really Obito???
What???
Seriously, did the manga not confirm that Tobi=Obito?
What???
Seriously, did the manga not confirm that Tobi=Obito?
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Tobi is Obito: Confirmed. So stop
I see people saying that Tobi isn't Obito even after seeing his face. Seriously? Why people like to complicate their lives by stupid theories even when there are facts? :sy:
Anyway i must say that i'm disappointed. Tobi is Obito? Really?:sy: Where is Kishi going with this BS? There is too much explanation needed. Hope Kishi already knows what he is doing. But how will he explain all that? Too much contradictions. What will i do now? Maybe i should stop the manga:flaw:
I see people saying that Tobi isn't Obito even after seeing his face. Seriously? Why people like to complicate their lives by stupid theories even when there are facts? :sy:
Anyway i must say that i'm disappointed. Tobi is Obito? Really?:sy: Where is Kishi going with this BS? There is too much explanation needed. Hope Kishi already knows what he is doing. But how will he explain all that? Too much contradictions. What will i do now? Maybe i should stop the manga:flaw:
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Re: So Tobi is a Uchiha, you should know what that means...
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Re: Is Obito really Obito???
Who knows, Minato trained Kakashi more closely than Obito cause he wanted to teach him more about teamwork, Idk If Obito ever saw rasengan or FTG before that fight.
Who knows, Minato trained Kakashi more closely than Obito cause he wanted to teach him more about teamwork, Idk If Obito ever saw rasengan or FTG before that fight.
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BUT THE PROBLEM IS:
We know that mangekyo sharingan lose its light and the user will go blind.
HOW THE HELL obito or his occupied body is using MS without losing the light???????
We know that mangekyo sharingan lose its light and the user will go blind.
HOW THE HELL obito or his occupied body is using MS without losing the light???????
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Re: ~The Official: I TOLD YOU SO THREAD~ Spoiler Alert
so i must say "WOW"?
so i must say "WOW"?
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Re: I dont think Tobi is Obito
That's a good point actually. Perhaps it could also have even been Madara or Izuna themselves....but just really old, which is why Izuna maybe needed a body switch.
The reason why I say this is because the long hair tobi had almost identical bangs to Izuna, and Izuna had a long ponytail which the long haired tobi didn't have. He could have done that to give the impression of it being Madara.
That's a good point actually. Perhaps it could also have even been Madara or Izuna themselves....but just really old, which is why Izuna maybe needed a body switch.
The reason why I say this is because the long hair tobi had almost identical bangs to Izuna, and Izuna had a long ponytail which the long haired tobi didn't have. He could have done that to give the impression of it being Madara.