TheSages456
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also as far as the mountain argument that i see going on is concerned.
you see the "boosh" text? thats where kurama was.
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Did Rikudo Kurama get bigger?
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TheSages456
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you're stating that an eye that has already used the six paths abilities, possesses no six paths power. :lol
let that sink in, because what you are saying makes no sense.
you're saying that edo madara possesses no six paths power. the manga says that he does. theres nothing to discuss here.
you're making up random stipulations such as the bold that you claim i have to prove, yet you havent posted any evidence for why this would be the case.
i want you to think about what you're posting and tell me how this implies that edo madaras rinnegan possesses no six paths power when its blatantly stated that he does possess this power.
sasukes susano became stronger because sasuke was empowered by narutos chakra, allowing susano to evolve.
biju PS is stronger since it combines chakra from all of the biju into their original form, using PS as a vessel.
no, these arent even close to being the same thing and lets not pretend as such when i already posted an example that ends this debate.
Ambivalence
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Seems the stupid ''error 502'' is gone.
So tell me, do you really think that the above is the same as:
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Yeah, RSM Kurama has been drawn in a way that shows Naruto taking a sizable part of its mouth while making a BD similar to BM/BSM Kurama. However, Naruto's also been drawn in RSM Kurama only to look like he's the
And by the same token, RSM Kurama is also somehow equal to V3 in size, despite the case being clearly different with the scans I've posted.
2. This ''drawn to scale'' you keep using is just an empty way to say that you don't know yourself how they are portrayed, why that matters, or how one is drawn compared to the other. The mountains in one of the scans aren't the same size as the ones in the other. Does that matter when talking about RSM Kurama's size? No, because BM Kurama is not comparable to any mountain, therefore it isn't as big as RSM Kurama.
On top of all that there's you somehow reaching the conclusion I somewhere said the mountains RSM Kurama crashed into were bigger than the ones Full Kurama was portrayed next to. I'm comparing the way both Kuramas are portrayed, not the mountains themselves. Already explained why the mountains size or them being ''drawn to scale'' doesn't matter. The impact resulting in RSM Kurama's crash was bigger than the mountains, it doesn't mean Kurama himself was bigger, or if he was, then those mountains are smaller than the ones Full Kurama cut, which is still irrelevant, since BM Kurama would never have been made to seem like it's the size of any mountain.
Then there's you agreeing with the scan that guy posted, even though the cloud of smoke is much larger than the spot he marked just because the speech bubble came from there. Lastly, you can clearly see the rubble around the crash site which is the size of the mountains in the background. That little area he outlined somehow making that much bigger area of impact is laughable.
Though I somewhat do agree with your last sentence.
That's what you did? I couldn't tell what that first image meant since it was so small that I couldn't even see Naruto. Here's the full image (as much as NB allows it, so open it in a new tab and zoom it) of your scan:
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So tell me, do you really think that the above is the same as:
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Yeah, RSM Kurama has been drawn in a way that shows Naruto taking a sizable part of its mouth while making a BD similar to BM/BSM Kurama. However, Naruto's also been drawn in RSM Kurama only to look like he's the
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, compared to
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. This is actually the same thing in Sasuke's case - that previous scan shows he takes up a large part of the V3's head, and here we have Rikudou Sasuke in his PS [
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]. Oh, but I forgot, EMS V3 is equal to PS in size. And by the same token, RSM Kurama is also somehow equal to V3 in size, despite the case being clearly different with the scans I've posted.
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are not the same size as
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, no matter how you try to twist it, and there's no scan that can convince me otherwise. Like... I can't even put into words how ridiculous it is to think BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke's avatars are the same size post-boost, not only because of the scans, but because of the fact that their chakra is immensely larger afterwords, giving their avatars a size boost as well as a power one.All your scans do is show BM's size. Nothing else. Naruto has never been drawn as small as I already showed with RSM Kurama, nor was BM Kurama ever drawn and compared to a mountain. You're obviously still trying to say that size is inconsistent, which is only the case with RSM Kurama.
1. The mountains in the scans are clearly not the same size, which doesn't even matter. Full Kurama was already shown to be smaller than the ones in VoTE. Assume they're larger than your average mountain. Full Kurama would then be comparable to a small/medium-sized mountain, while Half Kurama, who is
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, wouldn't be comparable to any mountain, no matter how big or small. If even Full Kurama wasn't the size of those mountains, there is no way 50% Kurama would appear to be around the size of any mountain. And yet, RSM Kurama did appear that way, meaning that there is no way it's the size of BM Kurama, who would've been tiny compared to them.2. This ''drawn to scale'' you keep using is just an empty way to say that you don't know yourself how they are portrayed, why that matters, or how one is drawn compared to the other. The mountains in one of the scans aren't the same size as the ones in the other. Does that matter when talking about RSM Kurama's size? No, because BM Kurama is not comparable to any mountain, therefore it isn't as big as RSM Kurama.
On top of all that there's you somehow reaching the conclusion I somewhere said the mountains RSM Kurama crashed into were bigger than the ones Full Kurama was portrayed next to. I'm comparing the way both Kuramas are portrayed, not the mountains themselves. Already explained why the mountains size or them being ''drawn to scale'' doesn't matter. The impact resulting in RSM Kurama's crash was bigger than the mountains, it doesn't mean Kurama himself was bigger, or if he was, then those mountains are smaller than the ones Full Kurama cut, which is still irrelevant, since BM Kurama would never have been made to seem like it's the size of any mountain.
Then there's you agreeing with the scan that guy posted, even though the cloud of smoke is much larger than the spot he marked just because the speech bubble came from there. Lastly, you can clearly see the rubble around the crash site which is the size of the mountains in the background. That little area he outlined somehow making that much bigger area of impact is laughable.
RSM Kurama is as big as Rikudou Sasuke's PS, which is as big as Madara's PS. Scans that show the immense difference between his V3 and PS are in my first point, and honestly, anyone can tell claiming Rikudou PS and EMS V3 are equal in size is stupid without even having to look at any scans.
Sorry, but it is not the same. At all. For this to be applicable, Juugo would have to have two sizes - 100% Juugo and 50% Juugo. Half Juugo would be shorter than Sasuke in every panel. After a powerup, which is different than getting his other half back, he starts getting shown to be taller than Sasuke in some panels, even though his full power isn't back, which is pretty much the case with RSM Kurama. The inconsistencies with its size started only after the Rikudou boost.
Though I somewhat do agree with your last sentence.
This size nonsense has already been addressed. Your evidence boils down to putting words in my mouth and drawing conclusions from trying to say mountains being different in size = RSM Kurama and Full Kurama being non-comparable, which is not the case.
Already addressed. Basically, I've never denied Naruto being drawn to RSM Kurama's head has sometimes been same as his BM Kurama portrayal, since that is obvious. When Naruto has been drawn in his BM/BSM avatar to be as miniature as the the scans I posted in my first point instead of taking up Kurama's mouth, or has been drawn to be equal to Sasuke's PS (which is >>> his V3), or has been drawn in the same scan as a mountain (doesn't even have to be next to it, any viewpoint will do) so that he seems comparable to it, that's where I can be convinced, even though BSM Kurama can never be portrayed around the size of any mountain, as I already said, nor can it be the size of Sasuke's PS.
Again, when you can show me Naruto's size being way smaller than what should be the standard for Half Kurama, or have any mountains BSM Kurama conveniently crashed in, then we can talk. Right now you're just using one point and ignoring the other because it suits your case.
I don't ignore any evidence, all you've said has been addressed and countered. Though I will admit I came off rude. You're definitely not biased or anything, you're actually one of the better members here, so I am sorry if I appeared condescending.
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Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was a bit busy today. Indeed it seems like you have countered my points, I can agree with you in this case. No need to apologize it is alright.Seems the stupid ''error 502'' is gone.
That's what you did? I couldn't tell what that first image meant since it was so small that I couldn't even see Naruto. Here's the full image (as much as NB allows it, so open it in a new tab and zoom it) of your scan:
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So tell me, do you really think that the above is the same as:
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Yeah, RSM Kurama has been drawn in a way that shows Naruto taking a sizable part of its mouth while making a BD similar to BM/BSM Kurama. However, Naruto's also been drawn in RSM Kurama only to look like he's theYou must be registered for see links, compared toYou must be registered for see links. This is actually the same thing in Sasuke's case - that previous scan shows he takes up a large part of the V3's head, and here we have Rikudou Sasuke in his PS [You must be registered for see links][You must be registered for see links]. Oh, but I forgot, EMS V3 is equal to PS in size.
You must be registered for see linksare not the same size asYou must be registered for see links, no matter how you try to twist it, and there's no scan that can convince me otherwise. Like... I can't even put into words how ridiculous it is to think BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke's avatars are the same size post-boost, not only because of the scans, but because of the fact that their chakra is immensely larger afterwords, giving their avatars a size boost as well as a power one.
All your scans do is show BM's size. Nothing else. Naruto has never been drawn as small as I already showed with RSM Kurama, nor was BM Kurama ever drawn and compared to a mountain. You're obviously still trying to say that size is inconsistent, which is only the case with RSM Kurama.
1. The mountains in the scans are clearly not the same size, which doesn't even matter. Full Kurama was already shown to be smaller than the ones in VoTE. Assume they're larger than your average mountain. Full Kurama would then be comparable to a small/medium-sized mountain, while Half Kurama, who isYou must be registered for see links, wouldn't be comparable to any mountain, no matter how big or small. If even Full Kurama wasn't the size of those mountains, there is no way 50% Kurama would appear to be around the size of any mountain. And yet, RSM Kurama did appear that way, meaning that there is no way it's the size of BM Kurama, who would've been tiny compared to them.
2. This ''drawn to scale'' you keep using is just an empty way to say that you don't know yourself how they are portrayed, why that matters, or how one is drawn compared to the other. The mountains in one of the scans aren't the same size as the ones in the other. Does that matter when talking about RSM Kurama's size? No, because BM Kurama is not comparable to any mountain, therefore it isn't as big as RSM Kurama.
On top of all that there's you somehow reaching the conclusion I somewhere said the mountains RSM Kurama crashed into were bigger than the ones Full Kurama was portrayed next to. I'm comparing the way both Kuramas are portrayed, not the mountains themselves. Already explained why the mountains size or them being ''drawn to scale'' doesn't matter. The impact resulting in RSM Kurama's crash was bigger than the mountains, it doesn't mean Kurama himself was bigger, or if he was, then those mountains are smaller than the ones Full Kurama cut, which is still irrelevant, since BM Kurama would never have been made to seem like it's the size of any mountain.
Then there's you agreeing with the scan that guy posted, even though the cloud of smoke is much larger than the spot he marked just because the speech bubble came from there. Lastly, you can clearly see the rubble around the crash site which is the size of the mountains in the background. That little area he outlined somehow making that much bigger area of impact is laughable.
RSM Kurama is as big as Rikudou Sasuke's PS, which is as big as Madara's PS. Scans that show the immense difference between his V3 and PS are in my first point, and honestly, anyone can tell claiming Rikudou PS and EMS V3 are equal in size is stupid without even having to look at any scans.
Sorry, but it is not the same. At all. For this to be applicable, Juugo would have to have two sizes - 100% Juugo and 50% Juugo. Half Juugo would be shorter than Sasuke in every panel. After a powerup, which is different than getting his other half back, he starts getting shown to be taller than Sasuke in some panels, even though his full power isn't back, which is pretty much the case with RSM Kurama. The inconsistencies with its size started only after the Rikudou boost.
Though I somewhat do agree with your last sentence.
This size nonsense has already been addressed. Your evidence boils down to putting words in my mouth and drawing conclusions from trying to say mountains being different in size = RSM Kurama and Full Kurama being non-comparable, which is not the case.
Already addressed. Basically, I've never denied Naruto being drawn to RSM Kurama's head has sometimes been same as his BM Kurama portrayal, since that is obvious. When Naruto has been drawn in his BM/BSM avatar to be as miniature as the the scans I posted in my first point instead of taking up Kurama's mouth, or has been drawn to be equal to Sasuke's PS (which is >>> his V3), or has been drawn in the same scan as a mountain (doesn't even have to be next to it, any viewpoint will do) so that he seems comparable to it, that's where I can be convinced, even though BSM Kurama can never be portrayed around the size of any mountain, as I already said, nor can it be the size of Sasuke's PS.
Again, when you can show me Naruto's size being way smaller than what should be the standard for Half Kurama, or have any mountains BSM Kurama conveniently crashed in, then we can talk. Right now you're just using one point and ignoring the other because it suits your case.
I don't ignore any evidence, all you've said has been addressed and countered. Though I will admit I came off rude. You're definitely not biased or anything, you're actually one of the better members here, so I am sorry if I appeared condescending.
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Which is irrelevant. Who ever told you that Six Paths Chakra is needed to use the Six Paths abilities? Definitely not the Manga. Like any other jutsu, the chakra for the jutsu comes from the user.
The Manga never said anything about the fake replica Rinnegan.
I don't need to make up random stipulations. You are practically taking two different objects and stating that X object has Y objects benefits because it looks the same even though X and Y are different things. The real Rinnegan is a physical eye that contains strong chakra. The fake Rinnegan is a fake representation created by Edo Tensei. They aren't even physical eyes so when you can actually show me that the fake is the same as the real one (Which again, makes no sense as it's FAKE for a reason), then we can talk about this "stronger chakra doesn't make your Ninjutsu stronger". Lmfao.
No, it's blatantly stated that Alive Madara obtained Hagoromo's power, and then that power awakened his Rinnegan. Not only was it never stated that the Rinnegan contains the Six Paths Power, that's alive Madara with a real eye. Not a fake one. Stop trying to transfer the benefits of a real eye to a fake eye.
Repeat of what was already addressed. Not only is the addition of legs not an evolution, (so what you are getting at doesn't even make a shred of sense. Only time Susanoo evolves is when it goes from V1, to V2 to V3 to V4 to PS. Legged Susanoo is the same exact Susanoo but with a lower body, thus more chakra is being used to form it. ) the chakra is still in use and the chakra was still being used to form Sasuke's Susanoo. Thus it's power will jump like every other Ninjutsu that has ever been boosted by Kurama's power. Using examples you can't even properly prove isn't going to negate Manga fact.
-We have Madara's Ribcage Susanoo being able to block Ay and Tsunade's attacks while Ay smashed through Sasuke's Ribcage alone. Yet somehow all Susanoo are equal because........
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Lmao. Cut the BS. All you are doing here is repeating what was shown in the Manga without actually admitting WHY it got stronger. We are talking about WHY, not what happened. :lol And I've already told you why it got stronger. Bijuu PS is stronger because a stronger chakra (Juubi's chakra) was merged with Sasuke's Susanoo. AKA Sasuke's chakra. You've shown me Edo Madara w/ a fake eye and are attempting to give the real eye's upsides to the fake eye when they aren't even the same thing.
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Of course the Rikodou chakra empowered Kurama Avatar was much larger and stronger than before. Many people object to this due to manga scaling inaccuracies but their opinion is obviously flawed. And the reason why Naruto manifested a Kurama Avatar rather than "Kurama beast" like other jinchuurikis was because of the possibility of size variation which could keep it neck in neck with Sasuke's PS and its size variations.
TheSages456
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:lol who says that you need six paths sage chakra to use six paths senjutsu? it was never stated, so obviously thats the most logical conclusion.
yes, you need six paths chakra in order to use six paths power. the rinnegan itself produces this. there is no rinnegan user that naturally produces the six paths chakra throughout their body except for ten tails madara, ten tails obito, hagoromo and momoshiki.
obitos eye possesses the uchihas power. kakashi feeds the eye with his own chakra to use kamui. obito and nagatos rinnegan possesses the six paths power and they fed the eye with their own chakra to use its jutsus. the same exact thing applies to edo nagato and edo madara. they arent magically an exception because the 4 tails said that their rinnegan was a work of edo tensei.
even though edo madara was stated to possess hagoromos power? :lol im supposed to indulge this absurd conspiracy theory you randomly conjured up and not the what the manga puts out for its readers in black and white?
its fake because of the way its created, therefore cant summon the gedo mazo. thats all that was stated. you're extrapolating the 4 tails statement with absolutely no evidence to mean that it possesses no six paths power when thats fundamentally impossible.
the bold is a strawman. dont fabricate my argument when you cant form a proper rebuttal to the original point.
hagoromos eyes dont contain the six paths power?
you know about the rinnegan abilities that nagato used when he controlled pain and when he was revived right? those are six paths powers.
naruto: It’s called the six path of pain…\\ he has the power of the rikudou sennin that’s why he is so strong!!\\
nagato was stated to possess hagoromos power and on top of him possessing an edo tensei rinnegan, he isnt even the original wielder.
-kabuto states that madara can now touch a part of hagoromos power.
-madara simply states that kabuto wasnt the one that created this power.
-after madara drops a meteor, kabuto says "this is the rikudou sennin’s power…\\ wonderfull\\".
its already blatantly stated that edo madara possesses hagoromos power, the six paths power. shouldve been obvious by his rinnegan though.
inb4, what does kabuto and naruto know? kishi wants to mislead his readers.
i have already proven my point, above and beyond whats necessary. you're advocating for "no six paths power rinnegan user". :lol
you havent brought a single statement which implies that edo tenseis rinnegan doesnt provide the six paths power(impossible) while i have provided the opposite.
madaras ribcage was destroyed by both boosted Ei and tsunade. it didnt tank their assault and madara used a bigger ribcage than sasuke, hence its spine.
kuramas chakra isnt forming sasukes susano. susano can only be created from the uchihas chakra. kuramas chakra is augmenting sasukes eye powers, which boost his susano.
this susano created from sasukes boosted eye powers became a V3 susano with legs.
no, the creature made of biju chakra that sasuke was controlling inside his PS is what was so strong. his actual PS, which would the layer of armor over it, did not change.
you're fighting a losing battle here. you havent brought any even resembling a manga scan or statement when it comes to proving the points that you're asserting.
assuming you respond again, if you keep bringing up points that are blatantly nonsense, it will be ignored in my next response.
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