Did Rikudo Kurama get bigger?

[Passerby]

Did Rikudo Half Kurama get bigger? Or is he still the same size?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

He seems like the same size. What makes you think otherwise?

 

[Gerkak]

Nothing to suggest it did.

 

[Passerby]

He seems like the same size. What makes you think otherwise?

Because then Sasuke's PS is the same size as his leg Susanoo?

 

[Gerkak]

Because then Sasuke's PS is the same size as his leg Susanoo?

Seems to be the case

 

[Ambivalence]

Yeah, it did. Both Naruto and Sasuke's respective avatars grew immensely after their Rikudou boost. Kurama's avatar was shown to be

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, not to mention that, like Sasuke in his EMS PS (which is equal in size with his Legged V3), he's shown to be much

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, compared to

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. Naruto and Sasuke was practically taking up half the head of their respective avatars, which clearly isn't the case afterwords.

Seems to be the case

Lmao, there are still people that believe this idiocy.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

theres no way rikudo rinne sasukes PS is the same size as ems sasuke's legged susano.

theres no other explanation half kurama avatar got bigger after rikudo boost

 

[Xlad]

No, it got digger.

 

[TheSages456]

by simply looking at the panels, the average reader would not get the impression that kurama grew in size.

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but if sasukes PS is the same size as madaras, then that would mean that narutos avatar grew regardless of what it looks like.

i dont know where people are getting this imaginary "rikudo PS" from though. this notion that naruto and sasuke possess half of hagoromos chakra was already debunked numerous times, but it seems that the majority lacks sense.


sasukes PS would be boosted by the rinnegans chakra, but that does nothing for its actual power or size as shown with madara. it just turns the construct into a rinnegan-made susano, giving it resistance to infinite tsukiyomi.

narutos avatar would be the only one boosted since its being enhanced by narutos six paths sage mode.

 

[Warlocks]

Yeah, it did. Both Naruto and Sasuke's respective avatars grew immensely after their Rikudou boost. Kurama's avatar was shown to be

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, not to mention that, like Sasuke in his EMS PS (which is equal in size with his Legged V3), he's shown to be much

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, compared to

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. Naruto and Sasuke was practically taking up half the head of their respective avatars, which clearly isn't the case afterwords.



Lmao, there are still people that believe this idiocy.

yep you are right
how can any1 denys that

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here we have seen Rikudo Kurama big as a mountain or bigger

 

[Gerkak]

Lmao, there are still people that believe this idiocy.

There are scans that show different, kishi's drawings aren't always to scale. Since the manga or the data book didn't say it grew then how can you be sure it happened? There is no idiocy here

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It getting bigger is nothing but your opinion, anyone can just post scans and suggest what they want.

 

[Michael]

Kurama got bigger but not due to Rikudou Chakra, but because he is whole again. After the war the other half was resealed within Naruto, as seen in the last and gaiden full kurama is alot bigger and also darker in color.

 

[Ambivalence]

There are scans that show different, kishi's drawings aren't always to scale.

I won't deny that Kishimito is sometimes inconsistent with his drawing, but you've got no counter to what I posted. Furthermore, even Madara's PS was shown to be roughly the size of a mountain [

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], also along with Kurama [

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] and it's a fact 100% Kurama is around that size as well (if it stands). The scan I posted where the Kurama Avatar was falling clearly showed it being the size of a mountain. 50% Kurama is nowhere near that size, therefore saying it didn't grow after the Rikudou boost is wrong, therefore saying Rikudou Sasuke's PS = his EMS V3 is idiocy.

Then there's the fact that I'm talking about their teen versions. Naruto's avatar as an adult is as big as 100% Kurama without a doubt. Unless you start showing me PS head jewel comparisons again. :lol

Since the manga or the data book didn't say it grew then how can you be sure it happened?

Uh, what? :lol That's like saying how can I be sure the manga Shinjuu stump is much bigger than the Boruto movie one - nobody in the manga/databook said anything about one being bigger, so I guess they're the same size, huh? No - fans of the series already deduced the size comparison. There are a lot of similar examples. It's called drawing conclusions.

 

[Gerkak]

I won't deny that Kishimito is sometimes inconsistent with his drawing, but you've got no counter to what I posted. Furthermore, even Madara's PS was shown to be roughly the size of a mountain [

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], also along with Kurama [

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] and it's a fact 100% Kurama is around that size as well (if it stands). The scan I posted where the Kurama Avatar was falling clearly showed it being the size of a mountain. 50% Kurama is nowhere near that size, therefore saying it didn't grow after the Rikudou boost is wrong, therefore saying Rikudou Sasuke's PS = his EMS V3 is idiocy.

I posted scans after my first post. I have already shown that there are times when the avatars and of BM naruto and RSM naruto are drawn to be the same size are you going to deny that? I never spoke about their adult versions so that doesn't matter here.

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As you can see at times they are drawn to be the same size you can't deny this even if you want to. I don't know why size is such a problem, obviously PS>other levels of susanoo in power.

Uh, what? :lol That's like saying how can I be sure the manga Shinjuu stump is much bigger than the Boruto movie one - nobody in the manga/databook said anything about one being bigger, so I guess they're the same size, huh? No - fans of the series already deduced the size comparison. There are a lot of similar examples. It's called drawing conclusions.

If there is no room for doubt then there is no need to bring the manga or DB into it. An example of this is despite inconsistencies in drawing it is obvious that Juugo is taller and bigger than sasuke no matter what panel they are seen together in, only difference being the degree by which juugo is taller and bigger fluctuates due to said inconsistencies. Yeah I know what drawing conclusions is but it seems like you are drawing it from inconclusive evidence, you only accept evidence that suits what you want to believe. If there are other examples maybe you should consider the ones I posted and learn from them *_*

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

I won't deny that Kishimito is sometimes inconsistent with his drawing, but you've got no counter to what I posted. Furthermore, even Madara's PS was shown to be roughly the size of a mountain [

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], also along with Kurama [

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] and it's a fact 100% Kurama is around that size as well (if it stands). The scan I posted where the Kurama Avatar was falling clearly showed it being the size of a mountain. 50% Kurama is nowhere near that size, therefore saying it didn't grow after the Rikudou boost is wrong, therefore saying Rikudou Sasuke's PS = his EMS V3 is idiocy.

Then there's the fact that I'm talking about their teen versions. Naruto's avatar as an adult is as big as 100% Kurama without a doubt. Unless you start showing me PS head jewel comparisons again. :lol



Uh, what? :lol That's like saying how can I be sure the manga Shinjuu stump is much bigger than the Boruto movie one - nobody in the manga/databook said anything about one being bigger, so I guess they're the same size, huh? No - fans of the series already deduced the size comparison. There are a lot of similar examples. It's called drawing conclusions.

I posted scans after my first post. I have already shown that there are times when the avatars and of BM naruto and RSM naruto are drawn to be the same size are you going to deny that? I never spoke about their adult versions so that doesn't matter here.

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As you can see at times they are drawn to be the same size you can't deny this even if you want to. I don't know why size is such a problem, obviously PS>other levels of susanoo in power.



If there is no room for doubt then there is no need to bring the manga or DB into it. An example of this is despite inconsistencies in drawing it is obvious that Juugo is taller and bigger than sasuke no matter what panel they are seen together in, only difference being the degree by which juugo is taller and bigger fluctuates due to said inconsistencies. Yeah I know what drawing conclusions is but it seems like you are drawing it from inconclusive evidence, you only accept evidence that suits what you want to believe. If there are other examples maybe you should consider the ones I posted and learn from it *_*

BM Kurama and Naruto

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RSM Kurama and Naruto

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Its clear size is same and look at Full Kurama size

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DId Kurama increase in size back then when Naruto used SM together with BM ? No it has same size as Minato Kurama.

Where is stated that senjutsu increase size of something. That is stupid idea some idiot come with.

 

[Itachi Edo]

I don't believe so. He's looked the same size to me

 

[Ambivalence]

I posted scans after my first post. I have already shown that there are times when the avatars and of BM naruto and RSM naruto are drawn to be the same size are you going to deny that? I never spoke about their adult versions so that doesn't matter here.

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Lol, mind explaining what those scans are supposed to prove? You literally just gave me a few pictures of BM and RSM avatars that look the same, and expect me to determine their size is the same? They're not even drawn next to an object that we can measure their size with, you literally just posted random pictures. Or am I to understand because they look similar they're the same size?

As you can see at times they are drawn to be the same size you can't deny this even if you want to.

Except I'm not denying it. That doesn't matter because RSM Naruto's KA was drawn multiple times to be much bigger than his BSM one, and there are no inconsistencies in size with the latter one, like BSM KA being as big as a mountain or Naruto being tiny compared to the BSM Kurama Avatar's head. This obviously means BSM is one size, and RSM is another. You've also posted no counters to any of the scans in my original post, or the one where I compare Madara's PS with 100% Kurama to mountains and then RSM Naruto's Avatar. All you do is say ''hurr, inconsistency'' and call it a day, even though I've already explained why it's non-applicable, instead show me why I'm wrong with size scaling. So please, address the points I've mentioned.

I don't know why size is such a problem, obviously PS>other levels of susanoo in power.

Completely irrelevant to anything. Saying Rikudou Sasuke's PS = his EMS V3 in size is stupid. Not going to sugarcoat it.

If there is no room for doubt then there is no need to bring the manga or DB into it. An example of this is despite inconsistencies in drawing it is obvious that Juugo is taller and bigger than sasuke no matter what panel they are seen together in, only difference being the degree by which juugo is taller and bigger fluctuates due to said inconsistencies.

I can't even understand what you're saying with this part of your post, or how Juugo and Sasuke are remotely similar and somehow can be compared to Naruto's Kurama Avatar post and pre-boost. The two instances are incomparable.

Yeah I know what drawing conclusions is but it seems like you are drawing it from inconclusive evidence

Inconclusive evidence? You mean the same evidence you completely ignored and haven't countered, the one I mentioned two points up? Right.

you only accept evidence that suits what you want to believe.

Lmao. This coming from the guy that gives me random pictures of similar-looking avatars and calls them the same size is truly ironic.

 

[TheSages456]

No, it'd mean the chakra powered up his eyes to the extent where he could form it, and as he is still utilizing the chakra as he uses the Susanoo, the Susanoo would be powered by his chakra and Kurama's chakra, thus it's far stronger than what it normally would be without Kurama's chakra. Sasuke being able to form Perfect Susanoo on his own w/o Naruto's chakra means that he doesn't need Kuramas chakra to form a legged variant. So where is "the chakra is what let him obtain the power to form a legged variant" even coming from?

sasukes susano was far stronger than it was prior, because it evolved. narutos chakra empowered sasukes eyes and with these empowered eyes, sasuke could manifest a V3 legged susano and PS shortly after.

prior to narutos chakra, sasuke at most could manifest a V3 susano without legs. after gaining narutos chakra, he finally manifested a legged V3 susano. after narutos chakra left him, his eyes retained the power to form this susano. afterwards, he could manifest PS.

i already gave you an example of another susano user whos susano gained no increase from six paths power, yet you're still claiming that sasukes V3 susano was on another level than it would normally be. nope, im not going to indulge that. that point alone without a shadow of a doubt, would make my stance correct and yours wrong.

Susanoo is Ninjutsu. Ninjutsu gets stronger the stronger your chakra gets. That's already a fact, especially since Susanoo is a manifestation of the user's chakra. Not sure where you are getting the underlined from when a Madara w/ a real Rinnegan has never once been shown in this Manga. Using Edo Madara's PS as a reference point makes no sense when Edo Madara's Rinnegan is 100% fake. When his real Rinnegan with it's actual power doesn't give his Susanoo a boost then we can use that as evidence.

the manga has already stated what the drawbacks are to an edo tensei rinnegan. a work of edo tensei cannot summon the gedo mazo. thats it. saying that the eye possesses no six paths power doesnt make any sense, nor is it remotely supported by the manga.

edo madaras rinnegan using rinnegan jutsu at all already disproves the silly notion of him not possessing the six paths power. madaras mere existence is irrefutable evidence of susanos power only increasing with evolution, outside of things such as biju PS and iso susano.

 

[Gerkak]

Lol, mind explaining what those scans are supposed to prove? You literally just gave me a few pictures of BM and RSM avatars that look the same, and expect me to determine their size is the same? They're not even drawn next to an object that we can measure their size with, you literally just posted random pictures. Or am I to understand because they look similar they're the same size?

I didn't think I needed to explain this to you but here goes, look at the size of naruto inside the avatars, use that to scale. You act like you haven't done the same thing :lol. You want to say it is bigger by showing me scans of it close to mountains that they themselves aren't drawn to scale. You can find faults in the posts of others but not your own.

Except I'm not denying it. That doesn't matter because RSM Naruto's KA was drawn multiple times to be much bigger than his BSM one, and there are no inconsistencies in size with the latter one, like BSM KA being as big as a mountain or Naruto being tiny compared to the BSM Kurama Avatar's head. This obviously means BSM is one size, and RSM is another. You've also posted no counters to any of the scans in my original post, or the one where I compare Madara's PS with 100% Kurama to mountains and then RSM Naruto's Avatar. All you do is say ''hurr, inconsistency'' and call it a day, even though I've already explained why it's non-applicable, instead show me why I'm wrong with size scaling.

Lol obviously you didn't read or think carefully about anything I have posted. You say RSM avatar has been drawn "many" times larger than BM avatar, my scans contradict this you disregarded them simply because you disagree nothing else. By your logic RSM avatar is larger than

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since even that kurama isn't bigger than the mountains that

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. I don't know how BM avatar which is the size of

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can ever be the size of a mountain when is smaller than its complete state unless you are going to admit the mountains you are so fond of are not drawn to scale as well.

Completely irrelevant to anything. Saying Rikudou Sasuke's PS = his EMS V3 in size is stupid. Not going to sugarcoat it.

Never needed you to sugar coat anything. You saying 50% kurama is larger than 100% kurama is also stupid.

I can't even understand what you're saying with this part of your post, or how Juugo and Sasuke are remotely similar and somehow can be compared to Naruto's Kurama Avatar post and pre-boost. The two instances are incomparable.

They are comparable, drawing inconsistencies are common in the manga but no one questions that juugo is larger than sasuke because it is clear in every panel. However whether you choose to believe it or not and I am not the only one who believes this it isn't clear that RSM avatar is bigger than BM avatar given all the scans posted in this thread. There are instances where it is bigger and there are instances where it isn't, contrary to what you are saying there is nothing conclusive.

Inconclusive evidence? You mean the same evidence you completely ignored and haven't countered, the one I mentioned two points up? Right.

Already countered this and yes it is inconclusive and I ignored nothing, rather it is you who ignored my evidence by using mountains that even you can't prove are the same size.

Lmao. This coming from the guy that gives me random pictures of similar-looking avatars and calls them the same size is truly ironic.

That isn't what I did at all, look at naruto inside the avatars he is drawn the same size relative to the avatar's head in both scans. You use mountains I used naruto's size. You only want to pick yours and want to ridicule mine. How unfortunate that you ignore evidence :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

sasukes susano was far stronger than it was prior, because it evolved. narutos chakra empowered sasukes eyes and with these empowered eyes, sasuke could manifest a V3 legged susano and PS shortly after.

prior to narutos chakra, sasuke at most could manifest a V3 susano without legs. after gaining narutos chakra, he finally manifested a legged V3 susano. after narutos chakra left him, his eyes retained the power to form this susano. afterwards, he could manifest PS.

i already gave you an example of another susano user whos susano gained no increase from six paths power, yet you're still claiming that sasukes V3 susano was on another level than it would normally be. nope, im not going to indulge that. that point alone without a shadow of a doubt, would make my stance correct and yours wrong.



the manga has already stated what the drawbacks are to an edo tensei rinnegan. a work of edo tensei cannot summon the gedo mazo. thats it. saying that the eye possesses no six paths power doesnt make any sense, nor is it remotely supported by the manga.

edo madaras rinnegan using rinnegan jutsu at all already disproves the silly notion of him not possessing the six paths power. madaras mere existence is irrefutable evidence of susanos power only increasing with evolution, outside of things such as biju PS and iso susano.

Underlined makes no sense. Why would his eyes retain the same power they had with the boost after the boost has already left him? :lol

Then I'm only focusing on your only support point, which still makes no sense.

The Manga never once stated, implied or showed that the only drawback of an Edo Rinnegan was that Gedo Mazo can't be summoned. He summoned the Mazo, and they wondered if that was possible because his eye was fake. What the Manga says and what you are saying it said are obviously two different things. The underlined is an irrelevant point to make when you can't even prove that a fake eye created by Edo Tensei can't replicate the Rinnegan's abilities without containing the same chakra it contains.

Madara's Rinnegan being fake is enough to end any and all comparisons you are trying to draw here anyway. Madara's Rinnegan isn't a real Rinnegan so why it contain the same power and give the same perks as the real one? The "Rinnegan" Madara uses as an Edo Tensei isn't even the actual set of eyes Madara awakened that were stated to contain Rikudo's power. :lol So yeah, no. The drawbacks of a fake eye don't go the real eye.

Then there's Obito shitting his pants at the thought of both eyes being used together and their true power being unleashed. Yet Madara had both Rinnegan eyes as an Edo Tensei.

Then you cite Bijuu PS when Bijuu PS gets stronger for almost the same reason Kurama's chakra made Sasuke's V3 Susanoo stronger. Because a stronger chakra was introduced to the Susanoo. Which is why Sasuke's PS went from matching 1 Kurama Avatar to matching 3 in close combat.