Did Naruto and Sasuke ever surpass JJ Madara?

[Holy God]

Well you forget she absorbed the world's worth of people chakra...she didn't just absorb shinobi in the alliance chakra she use God Nativity World of Trees to absorb chakra all over the world...well Godara did that but didn't get a chance to absorb the chakra because we'll bz and we all know what happened after that...

I don't think the world includes anyone other than the nations we've been shown in the manga? Everyone at that time also had pitifully weak chakra reserves compared to even a single Tailed Beast. I don't see it adding up to even 9 Tailed Beasts (times 4+) let alone 4+ ten-tails.

 

[wanderingcactus]

nope... not possible..

each one of them only has half the power JJ madara or obito had..

still to this day, they cant 1v1 any JJ level people.

 

[Holy God]

Yea I think that's the only technique he can use. But Kaguya also ate the fruit which was somehow more chakra than the Juubi. And the next fruit didn't grow yet. So it makes sense she had more chakra than Madara did.

All of Kaguya's original chakra (including from the Holy Fruit) was divided into the Tailed Beasts. She had more from absorbing other people in the Fourth Shinobi World War.

 

[Styles]

All of Kaguya's original chakra (including from the Holy Fruit) was divided into the Tailed Beasts. She had more from absorbing other people in the Fourth Shinobi World War.

Well her chakra was shinju fruit which was all the chakra in NV. All the chakra after was decided into everyone via nishuu. And the chakra she had is what made Madara implode. The chakra she had was far more than what he could handle.

 

[Godara Uchiha]

I don't think the world includes anyone other than the nations we've been shown in the manga? Everyone at that time also had pitifully weak chakra reserves compared to even a single Tailed Beast. I don't see it adding up to even 9 Tailed Beasts (times 4+) let alone 4+ ten-tails.

No that's were you are worng...

Shinobi like Ay was stated by Karin " I have never seen so much chakra in one place " which means he alone has bijuu level chakra, then tsunade who had bijuu level chakra, then shinobi like oro and kabuto who both have beyond bijuu level chakra, there are alot of shinobi that have bijuu level chakra those 3 alone rival the 9 bijuu in chakra amount so adding in billions of people more would put who chakra amount and the amount her dimension swap jutsu uses above Godara's amount...after Kaguya took over Godara sasuke did say he couldn't believe the amount of chakra she had and that she had way more than Godara so it's fair to say her chakra amount may have been 3 or 4 times greater and if that's the case then her jutsu would have required more chakra, which is the point of having such a large reservoir of chakra because it's needed to use such large scale techs such as swapping dimensions

 

[SenseiSama]

Naruto absorbed all the nature energy in the surrounding area. Madara recieved all peoples chakra in the world while being paralyzed.

He didn't absorb all the SA chakra, just a portion of it otherwise Kaguya wouldn't be able to absorb more during the fight

This is what Madara's body was absorbing before it exploded

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This is what Naruto absorbed (enough to fill a few mountains)

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The amount of energy Kurama gathered was comparable to the amount of energy Kaguya absorbs which Madara can't handle

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Despite having Hashi cells, Madara isn't a Senju therefore doesn't have the body to use the Senjutsu to its full extent like Naruto or Ashura.

His body was never strong enough to use the amount of chakra required for RinneSharingan which is why Kaguya took over his body similar to a bijuu taking over their host.

 

[Holy God]

Well her chakra was shinju fruit which was all the chakra in NV. All the chakra after was decided into everyone via nishuu. And the chakra she had is what made Madara implode. The chakra she had was far more than what he could handle.

Her chakra is that of the Tailed Beasts though, nothing more. Sure, Hagoromo spread his chakra with some people, but then they had children who could make their own chakra and so on, even though Kaguya's chakra, the Tailed Beasts, lived on. I also think Madara could have handled the chakra had it not been for Black Zetsu's interference. Even Hagoromo warned Naruto and Sasuke to stop him before the second Chakra Fruit was born.

No that's were you are worng...

Shinobi like Ay was stated by Karin " I have never seen so much chakra in one place " which means he alone has bijuu level chakra, then tsunade who had bijuu level chakra, then shinobi like oro and kabuto who both have beyond bijuu level chakra, there are alot of shinobi that have bijuu level chakra those 3 alone rival the 9 bijuu in chakra amount so adding in billions of people more would put who chakra amount and the amount her dimension swap jutsu uses above Godara's amount...after Kaguya took over Godara sasuke did say he couldn't believe the amount of chakra she had and that she had way more than Godara so it's fair to say her chakra amount may have been 3 or 4 times greater and if that's the case then her jutsu would have required more chakra, which is the point of having such a large reservoir of chakra because it's needed to use such large scale techs such as swapping dimensions

There are literally only three people said to have rivaled the chakra of a single Tailed Beast and those are Kisame and the third/fourth Raikage, the former two of which are dead. Orochimaru and Kabuto aren't even close. Adding that to the fact that there aren't "billions" of people on the planet (even the Shinobi Alliance only had 80,000) and that many died, there's no way they can amount to more than four ten-tails. You have to consider that most of the population are weaker than Kakashi who said Naruto alone with his chakra compressed still has four times more than him before learning Sage Mode. Even Sasuke was surprised at the amount of chakra BSM Naruto was handling, and that was half of Kurama.

 

[Jokule67]

He didn't absorb all the SA chakra, just a portion of it otherwise Kaguya wouldn't be able to absorb more during the fight

This is what Madara's body was absorbing before it exploded

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This is what Naruto absorbed (enough to fill a few mountains)

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The amount of energy Kurama gathered was comparable to the amount of energy Kaguya absorbs which Madara can't handle

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Despite having Hashi cells, Madara isn't a Senju therefore doesn't have the body to use the Senjutsu to its full extent like Naruto or Ashura.

His body was never strong enough to use the amount of chakra required for RinneSharingan which is why Kaguya took over his body similar to a bijuu taking over their host.

Madara was paralyzed by black zetsu so of course he cant handle chakra of that maginetude why dont you get that.

Madara could easily utilize the chakra of IT tree if he could control his body.

And there is no proof that Naruto had more chakra than madara. Literally none.

Your fanfics are worse than filler.

 

[Styles]

Her chakra is that of the Tailed Beasts though, nothing more. Sure, Hagoromo spread his chakra with some people, but then they had children who could make their own chakra and so on, even though Kaguya's chakra, the Tailed Beasts, lived on. I also think Madara could have handled the chakra had it not been for Black Zetsu's interference. Even Hagoromo warned Naruto and Sasuke to stop him before the second Chakra Fruit was born.



There are literally only three people said to have rivaled the chakra of a single Tailed Beast and those are Kisame and the third/fourth Raikage, the former two of which are dead. Orochimaru and Kabuto aren't even close. Adding that to the fact that there aren't "billions" of people on the planet (even the Shinobi Alliance only had 80,000) and that many died, there's no way they can amount to more than four ten-tails. You have to consider that most of the population are weaker than Kakashi who said Naruto alone with his chakra compressed still has four times more than him before learning Sage Mode. Even Sasuke was surprised at the amount of chakra BSM Naruto was handling, and that was half of Kurama.

The chakra fruit >> Juubi's chakra > other bijuu's chakra though. You need the bijuu's and shinju tree to have Kaguya's full power. And possibly the fruit that will bloom too. I think Kaguya would have took over even without his interference honestly.

 

[Holy God]

The chakra fruit >> Juubi's chakra > other bijuu's chakra though. You need the bijuu's and shinju tree to have Kaguya's full power. And possibly the fruit that will bloom too. I think Kaguya would have took over even without his interference honestly.

Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit and thus attained all of it's chakra. Kaguya merged with the Holy Tree therefore becoming the ten-tails, so it and the Chakra Fruit have the same amount of chakra (at that time). She, thus the Chakra Fruit, was divided by Hagoromo into the Tailed Beasts. Is there anything you see wrong with this? She had to definitely be stronger during the war. We'll have to just disagree with the Madara thing though since there isn't anything to confirm either side, nor does it really have anything to do with the above.

 

[Styles]

Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit and thus attained all of it's chakra. Kaguya merged with the Holy Tree therefore becoming the ten-tails, so it and the Chakra Fruit have the same amount of chakra (at that time). She, thus the Chakra Fruit, was divided by Hagoromo into the Tailed Beasts. Is there anything you see wrong with this? She had to definitely be stronger during the war. We'll have to just disagree with the Madara thing though since there isn't anything to confirm either side, nor does it really have anything to do with the above.

But the thing is even though Obito Madara etc was Juubi jin a new chakra fruit was suppose to have grown. Which is more chakra even as a JJ.

True.

 

[Holy God]

But the thing is even though Obito Madara etc was Juubi jin a new chakra fruit was suppose to have grown. Which is more chakra even as a JJ.

True.

Yes, the Chakra Fruit would consist of all the new chakra collected by the people under Infinite Tsukuyomi. I don't understand what you're trying to point out by this?

 

[Warlocks]

Nope...

 

[Scryed]

No they havent.

2 on 1 they beat him but not individually.

 

[Scryed]

The chakra fruit >> Juubi's chakra > other bijuu's chakra though. You need the bijuu's and shinju tree to have Kaguya's full power. And possibly the fruit that will bloom too. I think Kaguya would have took over even without his interference honestly.

Apparently Hagoromo spread her chakra accross humanity during his time as a JJ before creating the Bijuu.

So that would be more than Juubi+Shinju.

 

[Uchihakil]

This is common sense, they won't ever surpass 2 eyed jj madara, 3 eyed jj madara > 2 eyed jj madara, madara was nerfed soo bad it was'nt funny
- MS techniques restricted
- limbo using the originals ability restricted
- him using PS/SS restricted as a jj
- I'm pretty sure he can use yotmotsu hirasaga, it does'nt drain chakra like amenotominaka etc
Just for naruto and sasuke to fight madara, unrestricted madara is waaaaay stronger than the two (individually), the dude has the brain, the eyes, the body, the wisdom, the chakra, the immortality, the chakra draining abilities (preta and mouktun), the defence (PS, tsb, mouktun, preta, immortal body etc), the fire power (shinra, juubi damas, SS, PS, etc) he has almost everything they have + greater reserves, meaning his would be stronger (as seen from his CT, which maddt called raindrops

 

[Honord Sage]

Fact Kaguya defeated Madara with no effort,fact Naruto and Sasuke defeated Kaguya and survived Madara. Thus Naruto and Sasuke have surpass dead and defeated Madara. Who found out He was used all along by Black Zetzu and Kaguya what a Fool.

 

[Edogawa]

They have not surpassed him even together. Theoretical situation where Kishimoto's hack writing does not restrict Madara from combining the power of the Jubi and Rinnegan could in a minute overwhelm the duo by sheer power. If Madara was capable of using a Genjutsu and Mokuton on planetary scale, then same application can be made for Perfect Susanoo + Jubi together. Naruto's and Sasuke's most powerful attacks still do not have anywhere the output as the Jubi's V4 TBB. Madara could combine that TBB with PS to easily create a greater destructive force. He can deploy surprise attacks via Yomotsu Hirasaka, which Sasuke cannot react to as seen against Kaguya. That said Jutsu could divide them and make it easier to low diff them.

The duo weren't able to defeat fodders such as Shin or Kinshiki; they certainly aren't going stand a chance against Madara with that level.

The author explicitly said Madara was too powerful for the author to unknowingly know how he could beat him. Madara's full potential, unrestricted by plot, is by far the single most powerful character; he completely transcended the power limit in Naruto. Only prime Hagoromo can defeat him.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

No he is above them.

Way more chakra
Immortality and OP regeneration
More firepower (Quad Juubidama)
Both RInnegan and Rikudo senjutsu
Rinne Sharingan