Did Naruto and Sasuke ever surpass JJ Madara?

[Guntah]

Naruto and Sasuke never got to fight Madara at his prime, that being his Juubi Jin self with two Rinnegan and one Rinnesharingan.

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What I wanna know is if them, as full adults have individually surpassed Juubi Jin Madara and why.

 

[SenseiSama]

Yes, he made it clear they had half of his power

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Sasuke has the superior eye power and by VoTE 2 Naruto was able to use more chakra than Madara's body can handle

 

[90sKids98]

Nope Anyone that says otherwise is delusional

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Indvidually it's hard to say. I'd like to think they would be, just cause time :sdo: but peace brings lazy ways lol I'd say if they're not they're close and together as adults low diff him. Just my .02 though

 

[Styles]

3rd eye just gave him IT though. He doesn't have the chakra to use her dimension Justu's. And teen Naruto and Sasuke was already > 1 Rinnegan Madara and rek'd his CT when he had his other Rinnegan too. Since then they've only gotten stronger Madara is just Immoral.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

They kill JJ Madara without the tree absorbed which grants immortality since adult versions are much faster and powerful but otherwise he's an indestructible meteor hurling killing machine.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Individually nope. 2 on 1 yes

 

[Holy God]

No. Together as adults they have a chance at beating Madara as we know him, but we didn't even get a glimpse at the stuff he should be able to do.

3rd eye just gave him IT though. He doesn't have the chakra to use her dimension Justu's.

I'm pretty sure that's just Databook nonsense. It wasn't said for Yomotsu Hirasaka, but if it even were true for Amenominaka that'd mean that the technique uses more chakra than the ten-tails Madara had, which doesn't seem accurate in the least considering she used it multiple times.

 

[Godara Uchiha]

Hell no


He said they each had half of his power not that 1 was half as powerful as him...the difference is he was saying sasuke had a rinnegan like him but that doesn't mean godara's rinne = Sasuke rinne and he was saying he has rikudo senjutsu just like naruto not that either is more potent than the other...


He was already leagues above them skill and tactics wise and experience...I think for sure both were faster moving but not too fast that he can't react to them or counter them because once he got his second rinne they couldn't even touch him...

Godara just stalled them and they couldn't even get to him anymore after he got his 2nd rinne and rinne-sharingan...

Let's be honest Godara was the most nerfed ever, he didn't use a ps whem he had rinnegan or hashirama's sm that would have made him more powerful than them no need for becoming the juubi Jin, ass a Jin he was able to use kamui something obito thought was impossible yet Godara did it the first try so I don't see a reason why Godara can't use ps as juubi jin which would have made him achieve a certain level that would have been way beyond Kaguya and her dimension swaps...even his limbo clones were supposed to be able to do everything he could do even perform ninjutsu but they were restricted to physical taijutsu...anyway it is known Madara didn't like using the same techniques a lot so we can argue that's the reason that he didn't use ps against them, hell he didn't even use ps against the bijuu before he extracted the bijuu into the Gedo Mazo so that was the beginning of the ultimate nerfed in manga history

Current naruto and sasuke no nerfing of Godara still lose, everything momo did after he absorbed kinshiki is only a portion of what Godara should have been doing...creating elemental monsters and having a rikudo enhanced ps that could perform all his ninjutsu and having all 4 of his limbo clones being his equal and with all his powers...Kishi literally only had one way to defeat Godara and that was to change the history of Black Zetsu, I really believe he thought of bz's history change when he realized he didn't have a way for Godara to be defeated...

 

[Godara Uchiha]

3rd eye just gave him IT though. He doesn't have the chakra to use her dimension Justu's. And teen Naruto and Sasuke was already > 1 Rinnegan Madara and rek'd his CT when he had his other Rinnegan too. Since then they've only gotten stronger Madara is just Immoral.

Moron the ct's were just to stall them so he could perform Infinite Tsukoyami and it worked...your so simple minded you actually think he used them to defeat naruto and sasuke with

 

[Styles]

No. Together as adults they have a chance at beating Madara as we know him, but we didn't even get a glimpse at the stuff he should be able to do.



I'm pretty sure that's just Databook nonsense. It wasn't said for Yomotsu Hirasaka, but if it even were true for Amenominaka that'd mean that the technique uses more chakra than the ten-tails Madara had, which doesn't seem accurate in the least considering she used it multiple times.

Well in general Kaguya have more chakra than Madara. And she used it like 3-4? Times with Yomotsu Hirasaka and ran low on chakra and had to steal some from the people in IT.

Moron the ct's were just to stall them so he could perform Infinite Tsukoyami and it worked...your so simple minded you actually think he used them to defeat naruto and sasuke with

:lol Moron? Is CT not the strongest deva path technique? Did Naruto and Sasuke not rek it with ease? And when did I say he tried to kill them with it? Lol read before you try calling someone a moron fam it only makes you look like an idiot.

 

[HENI]

They surpassed him as teens.

 

[Godara Uchiha]

Well in general Kaguya have more chakra than Madara. And she used it like 3-4? Times with Yomotsu Hirasaka and ran low on chakra and had to steal some from the people in IT.

:lol Moron? Is CT not the strongest deva path technique? Did Naruto and Sasuke not rek it with ease? And when did I say he tried to kill them with it? Lol read before you try calling someone a moron fam it only makes you look like an idiot.

Godara use them and even referred to them as raindrops, meaning small in power scaling and insignificant just distractions...they were just distractions, which worked he was trying to distract naruto and sasuke long enough to perform IT and it worked case closed... #Bodied&Soloed


CT is not the most powerful deva path jutsu one can argue Almighty Push is...when both used by tendo pain, almighty push destroyed a village and instantly killed hundreds if not thousands for sure while ct barely couldn't contain a 8 tailed kyuubi with half it's power...

CT used by rikudo enhanced beings seem to be used more effectively and efficiently but almighty push was never used by rikudo enhanced beings because it if can move a village them if done by a rikudo enhanced individual it would have been able to move a body of land much larger, btw I never said you said it was used to kill them, I only went after what you said and you seem to emphasize on ct and it's power and used that as you example as to why they surpassed him because they destroy those ct's with ease is what you said, my counter was those ct's were just distractions nothing more nothing less so they cannot be used as an accurate way to gauge his per vs there's then and currently

 

[Holy God]

Well in general Kaguya have more chakra than Madara. And she used it like 3-4? Times with Yomotsu Hirasaka and ran low on chakra and had to steal some from the people in IT.

Yeah, Kaguya used Amenominaka four times before absorbing more chakra, so if Amenominaka actually took more chakra than the ten-tails and Madara's own reserves to use even once, that'd mean she has more than four times the ten-tails' chakra. I don't see the weak Shinobi Alliance providing anything near that amount, especially since she hadn't even absorbed all of theirs. Yomotsu Hirasaka was used by her pretty freely though so it could be assumed that it'd be usable by Madara if he even had the same techniques as her.

 

[Godara Uchiha]

Nothing they have shown that can beat him...

Individually naruto loses low diff current or vote2...Godara just summons the Gedo Mazo and it rips the kyuubi I from Naruto that results in a big as L for naruot...

Or Godara casts IT and gg naruot again


Vs Sasuke


Godara actually has to fight but between himself and his limbo clones they would over power sasuke who won't have the bijuu to aid in his power so


Of Godara just puts them in a barrier and he releases multiple juubidamas gg sasuke

 

[Jokule67]

No individuallu they have not surpassed him at full power nor did they even fight him at full power.

 

[Jokule67]

Yes, he made it clear they had half of his power

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Sasuke has the superior eye power and by VoTE 2 Naruto was able to use more chakra than Madara's body can handle

Naruto absorbed all the nature energy in the surrounding area. Madara recieved all peoples chakra in the world while being paralyzed.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

What,Hell naw. Individually or together,jj madara was never surpassed. The only ones who are and who will forever only be on madara's level of power are hamura,hagoromo,kaguya. These three along with hybrid madara are on a whole different tier. So far no other character is in their tier .

 

[Godara Uchiha]

Yeah, Kaguya used Amenominaka four times before absorbing more chakra, so if Amenominaka actually took more chakra than the ten-tails and Madara's own reserves to use even once, that'd mean she has more than four times the ten-tails' chakra. I don't see the weak Shinobi Alliance providing anything near that amount, especially since she hadn't even absorbed all of theirs. Yomotsu Hirasaka was used by her pretty freely though so it could be assumed that it'd be usable by Madara if he even had the same techniques as her.

Well you forget she absorbed the world's worth of people chakra...she didn't just absorb shinobi in the alliance chakra she use God Nativity World of Trees to absorb chakra all over the world...well Godara did that but didn't get a chance to absorb the chakra because we'll bz and we all know what happened after that...

 

[Styles]

Yeah, Kaguya used Amenominaka four times before absorbing more chakra, so if Amenominaka actually took more chakra than the ten-tails and Madara's own reserves to use even once, that'd mean she has more than four times the ten-tails' chakra. I don't see the weak Shinobi Alliance providing anything near that amount, especially since she hadn't even absorbed all of theirs. Yomotsu Hirasaka was used by her pretty freely though so it could be assumed that it'd be usable by Madara if he even had the same techniques as her.

Yea I think that's the only technique he can use. But Kaguya also ate the fruit which was somehow more chakra than the Juubi. And the next fruit didn't grow yet. So it makes sense she had more chakra than Madara did.

Possibly but she took chakra from every living being in the NV that was in IT but that's a possibility if it's enough to refill her reserves.