Did Kishi retconned this fact about Naruto’s skills?

[minamoto]

Sure.


Because everything is relative. Naruto's chakra gene whether he inherited the full potential or not, are still stronger and more suitable for Kyuubi than rest of the village. So when I say stronger I mean it in the same manner.



Nagato was not Senju. There is no source linking him to Senjus. If you have, please provide the authentic source and links. Karin's mom had same abilities and so did Karin way before she joined Oro.



I take it, I hit the nail on the head.

Madara says nagato was in leneage of senjus....isn't this source evidence for u????..

 

[Avani]

[SIZE= 4][B ]Madara says nagato was in leneage of senjus....isn't this source evidence for u????..[/B][/SIZE]

Uzumaki were supposed to be related to the Senju branch, and it was also stated that Madara gave his Rinnegan to an Uzumaki, whose trademark was red hair. The connection Madara referred to was not detailed much, so was he referring to- the remote ancient one or nearer is unknown. Link me if databook provided some more solid information.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Uzumaki were supposed to be related to the Senju branch, and it was also stated that Madara gave his Rinnegan to an Uzumaki, whose trademark was red hair. The connection Madara referred to was not detailed much, so was he referring to- the remote ancient one or nearer is unknown. Link me if databook provided some more solid information.

They are distantly related to the Senju like the Uchiha, Hyuga, and Kaguya clans are. Kushina states that there was lots of intermarriage between the Senju and Uzumaki clans. Which would explain why Nagato has both Senju and Uzumaki lineage, as well as Naruto.

Karin’s mother only exists in the anime version.

 

[Avani]

They are distantly related to the Senju like the Uchiha, Hyuga, and Kaguya clans are. Kushina states that there was lots of intermarriage between the Senju and Uzumaki clans. Which would explain why Nagato has both Senju and Uzumaki lineage, as well as Naruto.

Karin’s mother only exists in the anime version.

You repeated what I said. Anyway since at some point some red haired Asura descendants (and possible Senju lineage) with strong life force decided to start their own Uzumakies clan and we do not hear of many Senjus with fancy traits apart from Hashirama, I don't think it's fair to discredit Uzumakies of their own preferred identity.

Karin's mom is beside the point. Her chakra healing ability is not result of experiments. She was studied by Oro and Kabuto to copy her pre-existing healing power.

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And her chains, though relatively weaker, are similar to Kushina. That too is not result of experiments.

 

[minamoto]

Uzumaki were supposed to be related to the Senju branch, and it was also stated that Madara gave his Rinnegan to an Uzumaki, whose trademark was red hair. The connection Madara referred to was not detailed much, so was he referring to- the remote ancient one or nearer is unknown. Link me if databook provided some more solid information.

i havn't understood what u mean... ...but manga clearly says that uzumakis are of senju bloodline..

 

[salamander uchiha]

You repeated what I said. Anyway since at some point some red haired Asura descendants (and possible Senju lineage) with strong life force decided to start their own Uzumakies clan and we do not hear of many Senjus with fancy traits apart from Hashirama, I don't think it's fair to discredit Uzumakies of their own preferred identity.

Karin's mom is beside the point. Her chakra healing ability is not result of experiments. She was studied by Oro and Kabuto to copy her pre-existing healing power.

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And her chains, though relatively weaker, are similar to Kushina. That too is not result of experiments.

Those abilties of Karin's you refer to aren't Kekkei Genaki or classified as such. Kabuto pretty much studied and replicated them he went onto emphasise the qualities of the Uzumaki clan red hair and life force. I'm pretty sure the jutsu are connected to using lifeforce. You could say an Uzumaki can take maximum benefit of them because they have stronger lifeforce. The chains aren't a kekkei genkai either they're classified as hiden jutsu.

Nagato's a complicated case we kbow nect to nothing about him and it was emphasised by Zetsu that he's a senju descendant. I accept the Uzuamki are a branch of the Senju but it could be that he has something more in him.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

You repeated what I said. Anyway since at some point some red haired Asura descendants (and possible Senju lineage) with strong life force decided to start their own Uzumakies clan and we do not hear of many Senjus with fancy traits apart from Hashirama, I don't think it's fair to discredit Uzumakies of their own preferred identity.

No, I’m saying they are not related in the way you think. The Uzumaki and Senju merely share a common ancestor. The Uzumaki did not branch off/descended from the Senju. So Nagato’s Senju linage comes from the intermarriage between the clans which Kushina mentioned.

 

[Avani]

i havn't understood what u mean... ...but manga clearly says that uzumakis are of senju bloodline..

All of them are bloodline of S06P but not all of them are Otsutsuki anymore.

Those abilties of Karin's you refer to aren't Kekkei Genaki or classified as such. Kabuto pretty much studied and replicated them he went onto emphasise the qualities of the Uzumaki clan red hair and life force. I'm pretty sure the jutsu are connected to using lifeforce. You could say an Uzumaki can take maximum benefit of them because they have stronger lifeforce. The chains aren't a kekkei genkai either they're classified as hiden jutsu.

Nagato's a complicated case we kbow nect to nothing about him and it was emphasised by Zetsu that he's a senju descendant. I accept the Uzuamki are a branch of the Senju but it could be that he has something more in him.

Exactly where are you leading with this line of argument?

Did I use the words KG? I said she was experimented on because of her unique ability. Otherwise Kabuto didn't need to study her. Kabuto replicated abilities of Juggo and Suigetsu too. By implanting senju cells Madara duplicated Hashirama's abilities and some jutsus which were unique to him. So I don't see why I should assume Kabuto did anything more to adjust those cells for himself. And I implied nothing more than that. About " hidden Jutsu" : Yea that too- it changes nothing in the context of me counting it among Uzumaki abilities- it's their hidden jutsu- so far limited to them.

If you strip them off their hidden jutsu/s, or special chakra abilities then exactly what's left for them to set them apart?

In current Boruto series they have taken Oro and Kabuto's work ahead and making gadgets to duplicate almost all the techs/jutsus anyway. So the whole elitism connected with it somewhat collapsing onto itself.

No, I’m saying they are not related in the way you think. The Uzumaki and Senju merely share a common ancestor. The Uzumaki did not branch off/descended from the Senju. So Nagato’s Senju linage comes from the intermarriage between the clans which Kushina mentioned.

That's only an speculation. You shouldn't be presenting them as a fact.

About how Uzumakis are connected to Senjus: even that is being argued by others like Minamoto above. You say they were separate clans from get to go and Minamoto suggests they branched off. So you guys bring your sources to settle on that too.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Exactly where are you leading with this line of argument?

Only pointing something out.

Did I use the words KG? I said she was experimented on because of her unique ability. Otherwise Kabuto didn't need to study her. Kabuto replicated abilities of Juggo and Suigetsu too. By implanting senju cells Madara duplicated Hashirama's abilities and some jutsus which were unique to him. So I don't see why I should assume Kabuto did anything more to adjust those cells for himself. And I implied nothing more than that. About " hidden Jutsu" : Yea that too- it changes nothing in the context of me counting it among Uzumaki abilities- it's their hidden jutsu- so far limited to them.

If you strip them off their hidden jutsu/s, or special chakra abilities then exactly what's left for them to set them apart?

No you never said KG I made a reference to it to clear something up. I know Kabuto replicated their abilities via study hidden jutsu can be replicated. All that is required is the necessary skills/tools. Hashi cells are a different issue they can't really compare since they bear a KG within them.

You're right in that hiden jutsu are theirs and they are what set clans apart from one another. I don't think anybody was trying to discredit them as a form of identity.

In current Boruto series they have taken Oro and Kabuto's work ahead and making gadgets to duplicate almost all the techs/jutsus anyway. So the whole elitism connected with it somewhat collapsing onto itself.

This is true we'll see where it goes.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

"Remember, it’s been stated that Minato made the seal in such a way that Naruto’s chakra mixes with Kurama’s and that allows his body to produce massive amounts of chakra. It’s the reason given to why he was so bad at Justus at the very start. It’s the reason given to why he was so bad at Justus at the very start"

When was the bold ever stated?

Edit: Wow, after commenting here I checked my notifications and noticed that I received a comment from you on the "Hinata's body is godly" thread". But I can't see it since the thread was removed. I wonder what you said.

 

[Uverdore9]

"Remember, it’s been stated that Minato made the seal in such a way that Naruto’s chakra mixes with Kurama’s and that allows his body to produce massive amounts of chakra. It’s the reason given to why he was so bad at Justus at the very start. It’s the reason given to why he was so bad at Justus at the very start"

When was the bold ever stated?

Edit: Wow, after commenting here I checked my notifications and noticed that I received a comment from you on the "Hinata's body is godly" thread". But I can't see it since the thread was removed. I wonder what you said.

It says his chakra control was weaker as per kakashi.

 

[Uverdore9]

All of them are bloodline of S06P but not all of them are Otsutsuki anymore.



Exactly where are you leading with this line of argument?

Did I use the words KG? I said she was experimented on because of her unique ability. Otherwise Kabuto didn't need to study her. Kabuto replicated abilities of Juggo and Suigetsu too. By implanting senju cells Madara duplicated Hashirama's abilities and some jutsus which were unique to him. So I don't see why I should assume Kabuto did anything more to adjust those cells for himself. And I implied nothing more than that. About " hidden Jutsu" : Yea that too- it changes nothing in the context of me counting it among Uzumaki abilities- it's their hidden jutsu- so far limited to them.

If you strip them off their hidden jutsu/s, or special chakra abilities then exactly what's left for them to set them apart?

In current Boruto series they have taken Oro and Kabuto's work ahead and making gadgets to duplicate almost all the techs/jutsus anyway. So the whole elitism connected with it somewhat collapsing onto itself.




That's only an speculation. You shouldn't be presenting them as a fact.

About how Uzumakis are connected to Senjus: even that is being argued by others like Minamoto above. You say they were separate clans from get to go and Minamoto suggests they branched off. So you guys bring your sources to settle on that too.

Avani, I think Uzumaki arent related to the Senju. They are only stated to be distant relatives and Uzumaki has shown more connections to the Uchiha than Senju.

Though Why Nagato alone inherited from the Senju might mean his father/mother is from the Senju lineage. Remember he's the Third Sage Of Six Paths. We can become Sage only if we contain all the bloodlines descended from the Sage.