Did Kishi Job Sasuke?

[saradax]

The hate is real.

Let me fix this for you:

Sasuke vs Haku - Sasuke fought Haku for a good while and was able to keep up with his speed, he even gave his life to save Naruto's ass then the rage happened.

Sasuke vs Orochimaru - considering he was genin and one was a sanin, Sasuke did a lot of damage. He even impressed Orochimaru which decided to mark him. That's the equivalent of Boruto actually doing damage to Naruto or Sasuke.

Sasuke vs Yoroi - Sasuke won even if he couldn't use his chakra because of his mark. He won simply with taijutsu against a full grown man, that's impressive.

Sasuke vs Gaara - Sasuke won their first match then Gaara won because of the tailed beast inside of him meanwhile Sasuke couldn't use his curse mark.

Sasuke vs Sound 4 - 4 against 1? Wow, impressive. Let's forget that Sasuke surpasses all of them by the end of that arc. Not to mention Sasuke barely got out of hospital and just fought Naruto in the same day.

Sasuke vs Naruto - Sasuke wins after Naruto said he'll break every bone in his body. Then he leave his ass in the rain half-dead.

Sasuke vs Naruto, Sai, Sakura and Yamato - Sasuke rapes the new team 7 then almost kills them with Kirin if it wasn't for Orochimaru stopping him.

Sasuke vs Oro Round 2: Sasuke kills Orochimaru. The fact that he was weakened is irrelevant, he was able to counter the ritual inside of his body, no one else be able to do this.

Sasuke vs Deidara: Sasuke beat Deidara so bad he had to blow himself up out of salt.

Sasuke vs Itachi: No one won this fight.

Sasuke vs Bee: Sasuke was still injured from his fight with Itachi and had little no time to train with his new MS eyes. Since the time he had he spent to rest and heal.

Sasuke vs Raikage: Sasuke permanently cripples a kage, that's a damn feat.

Sasuke vs the Sand Siblings, Mei + Chojuro and Ohnoki: At this point Sasuke was chakra drained and almost blind, no matter that Karin healed him. He was still almost blind.

Sasuke vs Danzo: Sasuke plays Danzo like dummy and beats him so bad he has to blow himself up just like Deidara.


Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto: It's been made clear multiple times that Sasuke wanted to go all out but Itachi stopped him every time. Sasuke couldn't use his deadly abilities here because they needed him alive.

Sasuke was useless against Kaguya. lol

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Sasuke couldn't beat Kinshiki. lol

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[Char Aznable]

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The hate is real.

Let me fix this for you:

Sasuke vs Haku - Sasuke fought Haku for a good while and was able to keep up with his speed, he even gave his life to save Naruto's ass then the rage happened.

Sasuke vs Orochimaru - considering he was genin and one was a sanin, Sasuke did a lot of damage. He even impressed Orochimaru which decided to mark him. That's the equivalent of Boruto actually doing damage to Naruto or Sasuke.

Sasuke vs Yoroi - Sasuke won even if he couldn't use his chakra because of his mark. He won simply with taijutsu against a full grown man, that's impressive.

Sasuke vs Gaara - Sasuke won their first match then Gaara won because of the tailed beast inside of him meanwhile Sasuke couldn't use his curse mark.

Sasuke vs Sound 4 - 4 against 1? Wow, impressive. Let's forget that Sasuke surpasses all of them by the end of that arc. Not to mention Sasuke barely got out of hospital and just fought Naruto in the same day.

Sasuke vs Naruto - Sasuke wins after Naruto said he'll break every bone in his body. Then he leave his ass in the rain half-dead.

Sasuke vs Naruto, Sai, Sakura and Yamato - Sasuke rapes the new team 7 then almost kills them with Kirin if it wasn't for Orochimaru stopping him.

Sasuke vs Oro Round 2: Sasuke kills Orochimaru. The fact that he was weakened is irrelevant, he was able to counter the ritual inside of his body, no one else be able to do this.

Sasuke vs Deidara: Sasuke beat Deidara so bad he had to blow himself up out of salt.

Sasuke vs Itachi: No one won this fight.

Sasuke vs Bee: Sasuke was still injured from his fight with Itachi and had little no time to train with his new MS eyes. Since the time he had he spent to rest and heal.

Sasuke vs Raikage: Sasuke permanently cripples a kage, that's a damn feat.

Sasuke vs the Sand Siblings, Mei + Chojuro and Ohnoki: At this point Sasuke was chakra drained and almost blind, no matter that Karin healed him. He was still almost blind.

Sasuke vs Danzo: Sasuke plays Danzo like dummy and beats him so bad he has to blow himself up just like Deidara.


Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto: It's been made clear multiple times that Sasuke wanted to go all out but Itachi stopped him every time. Sasuke couldn't use his deadly abilities here because they needed him alive.

Sasuke was useless against Kaguya. lol

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Sasuke couldn't beat Kinshiki. lol

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I see a list of excuses above.

But no excuses for his 2nd fight against Naruto, or his inability to close on Shin Sr. Sasuke Chidori on Kinshiki didn't kill or maim him. Kinishki lived and fought the Gokage, before allowing himself to be absorbed by Momo.

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[ThelUchiha]

The hate is real.

Let me fix this for you:

Sasuke vs Haku - Sasuke fought Haku for a good while and was able to keep up with his speed, he even gave his life to save Naruto's ass then the rage happened.

Sasuke vs Orochimaru - considering he was genin and one was a sanin, Sasuke did a lot of damage. He even impressed Orochimaru which decided to mark him. That's the equivalent of Boruto actually doing damage to Naruto or Sasuke.

Sasuke vs Yoroi - Sasuke won even if he couldn't use his chakra because of his mark. He won simply with taijutsu against a full grown man, that's impressive.

Sasuke vs Gaara - Sasuke won their first match then Gaara won because of the tailed beast inside of him meanwhile Sasuke couldn't use his curse mark.

Sasuke vs Sound 4 - 4 against 1? Wow, impressive. Let's forget that Sasuke surpasses all of them by the end of that arc. Not to mention Sasuke barely got out of hospital and just fought Naruto in the same day.

Sasuke vs Naruto - Sasuke wins after Naruto said he'll break every bone in his body. Then he leave his ass in the rain half-dead.

Sasuke vs Naruto, Sai, Sakura and Yamato - Sasuke rapes the new team 7 then almost kills them with Kirin if it wasn't for Orochimaru stopping him.

Sasuke vs Oro Round 2: Sasuke kills Orochimaru. The fact that he was weakened is irrelevant, he was able to counter the ritual inside of his body, no one else be able to do this.

Sasuke vs Deidara: Sasuke beat Deidara so bad he had to blow himself up out of salt.

Sasuke vs Itachi: No one won this fight.

Sasuke vs Bee: Sasuke was still injured from his fight with Itachi and had little no time to train with his new MS eyes. Since the time he had he spent to rest and heal.

Sasuke vs Raikage: Sasuke permanently cripples a kage, that's a damn feat.

Sasuke vs the Sand Siblings, Mei + Chojuro and Ohnoki: At this point Sasuke was chakra drained and almost blind, no matter that Karin healed him. He was still almost blind.

Sasuke vs Danzo: Sasuke plays Danzo like dummy and beats him so bad he has to blow himself up just like Deidara.


Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto: It's been made clear multiple times that Sasuke wanted to go all out but Itachi stopped him every time. Sasuke couldn't use his deadly abilities here because they needed him alive.

Sasuke was useless against Kaguya. lol

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Sasuke couldn't beat Kinshiki. lol

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I didnt read all, but i just want to say about Sasuke/Itachi vs Kabuto fight - What did Sasuke do exactly? he was just standing in one place and holding his susano'o up


dont **** around

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[saradax]

I see a list of excuses above.

But no excuses for his 2nd fight against Naruto, or his inability to close on Shin Sr. Sasuke Chidori on Kinshiki didn't kill or maim him. Kinishki lived and fought the Gokage, before allowing himself to be absorbed by Momo.

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Umm... did you miss the part where Sasuke was chakra drained (since he just came from the Kaguya's dimensions) the whole fight and he didn't try to kill Shin since he needed him for info? What was Naruto's excuse for getting stabbed?

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Unless you count Sasuke protecting his daughter by taking those knifes in the back, Shin never directly hit him - even chakra drained as he was.

This is what happened to Shin after Sasuke gained his powers back, he had all of his bones crushed.

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The moment Sasuke Chidori'd Kinshiki's ass that gave the other kage an opportunity to restrain his body with clay. He didn't continue fighting until he merged with Momo.

 

[Char Aznable]

Umm... did you miss the part where Sasuke was chakra drained (since he just came from the Kaguya's dimensions) the whole fight and he didn't try to kill Shin since he needed him for info? What was Naruto's excuse for getting stabbed?

Remind me again what info Sasuke was trying to extract from Shin again? I seem to have forgotten Kishi's filler explanation.

As for Naruto, he was taken by surprise by Shin's mangekyou sharingan ability to control metal. Naruto tanked being impaled though.

Unless you count Sasuke protecting his daughter by taking those knifes in the back, Shin never directly hit him - even chakra drained as he was.

Sasuke spent every fight since the Gokage Summit power camping Susanno (even the ribcage). Then in Gaiden, he suddenly forgets how to cast his total defense or use a substitution jutsu, and has to shield Sarada with his body? Lame. Kishi jobbed Sasuke.

This is what happened to Shin after Sasuke gained his powers back, he had all of his bones crushed.

Why didn't he do this before?

The moment Sasuke Chidori'd Kinshiki's ass that gave the other kage an opportunity to restrain his body with clay. He didn't continue fighting until he merged with Momo.

It wasn't in the movie. Manga filler.

The anime is the truth!

 

[Char Aznable]

I didnt read all, but i just want to say about Sasuke/Itachi vs Kabuto fight - What did Sasuke do exactly? he was just standing in one place and holding his susano'o up


dont **** around

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Is that the best you can do?

Sasuke gets rekt'd

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[ThelUchiha]

Is that the best you can do?

Sasuke gets rekt'd

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Sasuke gets reked where? hebi Sasuke would blitz the shit out of Kabuto - Where is kabuto's speed?

 

[Shruikan]

Well pretty much every one of Naruto's opponents was nerfed so....

 

[ninjarasengan]

Well pretty much every one of Naruto's opponents was nerfed so....

Pretty much the same for Sasuke.

Haku was going easy because he didn't want to kill.
Naruto fought a gauntlet and chased after Sasuke before facing him
Naruto was weakened after going 4tails on orochimaru before the reunion with Sasuke.
Orochimaru's body was rejecting him...which Sasuke admitted was the reason he beat him.
Sasuke had a type match-up advantage over Diedara (Lightening super-effective)
Itachi was sick and trying to lose to Sasuke.
Team Hebi kept stealing Killer bee's victory and Bee was just trying to escape from his village and go on vacation.
Danzo was trying to conserve power to fight Tobi
Kaguya wanted his chakra
Naruto used up his chakra during the war.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

Worse, Deidara blew himself up.

XD

That's worse for Deidara not Sasuke considering Sasuke beat him to the point where he had to rely on a suicide explosion which still failed. I don't understand how you manager to interpret negative against Sasuke.

Pretty much the same for Sasuke.

Haku was going easy because he didn't want to kill.
Naruto fought a gauntlet and chased after Sasuke before facing him
Naruto was weakened after going 4tails on orochimaru before the reunion with Sasuke.
Orochimaru's body was rejecting him...which Sasuke admitted was the reason he beat him.
Sasuke had a type match-up advantage over Diedara (Lightening super-effective)
Itachi was sick and trying to lose to Sasuke.
Team Hebi kept stealing Killer bee's victory and Bee was just trying to escape from his village and go on vacation.
Danzo was trying to conserve power to fight Tobi
Kaguya wanted his chakra
Naruto used up his chakra during the war.

The Kyuubi's chakra heals Naruto. He went Kyuubi against Kimimaro so he wasn't weakened.

Naruto admitted that Sasuke was far stronger than him. Orochimaru even stated 3 tails Naruto wasn't even in his league.

So you're going to mention Sasuke's advantage and not Deidara's? Deidara had the element of surprised, intel, a preplanned counter against Sharingan Genjutsu, a preplanned strategy (landmines), and Tobi's assistance.

Tobi stated that Danzo was forced to go all out. He needed to keep Izanagi activated to counter Susano'o whose arrows were so fast that he couldn't even weave hand seals in time.

Naruto had his chakra replenished. He used Yang Kyuubi throughout the war who was replaced with the Yin Kyuubi. He also received chakra from each Biju aswell as the Sage.

 

[King Of Pop]

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The hate is real.

Let me fix this for you:

Sasuke vs Haku - Sasuke fought Haku for a good while and was able to keep up with his speed, he even gave his life to save Naruto's ass then the rage happened.

Sasuke vs Orochimaru - considering he was genin and one was a sanin, Sasuke did a lot of damage. He even impressed Orochimaru which decided to mark him. That's the equivalent of Boruto actually doing damage to Naruto or Sasuke.

Sasuke vs Yoroi - Sasuke won even if he couldn't use his chakra because of his mark. He won simply with taijutsu against a full grown man, that's impressive.

Sasuke vs Gaara - Sasuke won their first match then Gaara won because of the tailed beast inside of him meanwhile Sasuke couldn't use his curse mark.

Sasuke vs Sound 4 - 4 against 1? Wow, impressive. Let's forget that Sasuke surpasses all of them by the end of that arc. Not to mention Sasuke barely got out of hospital and just fought Naruto in the same day.

Sasuke vs Naruto - Sasuke wins after Naruto said he'll break every bone in his body. Then he leave his ass in the rain half-dead.

Sasuke vs Naruto, Sai, Sakura and Yamato - Sasuke rapes the new team 7 then almost kills them with Kirin if it wasn't for Orochimaru stopping him.

Sasuke vs Oro Round 2: Sasuke kills Orochimaru. The fact that he was weakened is irrelevant, he was able to counter the ritual inside of his body, no one else be able to do this.

Sasuke vs Deidara: Sasuke beat Deidara so bad he had to blow himself up out of salt.

Sasuke vs Itachi: No one won this fight.

Sasuke vs Bee: Sasuke was still injured from his fight with Itachi and had little no time to train with his new MS eyes. Since the time he had he spent to rest and heal.

Sasuke vs Raikage: Sasuke permanently cripples a kage, that's a damn feat.

Sasuke vs the Sand Siblings, Mei + Chojuro and Ohnoki: At this point Sasuke was chakra drained and almost blind, no matter that Karin healed him. He was still almost blind.

Sasuke vs Danzo: Sasuke plays Danzo like dummy and beats him so bad he has to blow himself up just like Deidara.


Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto: It's been made clear multiple times that Sasuke wanted to go all out but Itachi stopped him every time. Sasuke couldn't use his deadly abilities here because they needed him alive.

Sasuke was useless against Kaguya. lol

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Sasuke couldn't beat Kinshiki. lol

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Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

Was going to rip this thrash of a thread apart but you two beat me to it. Well said

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Naruto fought a gauntlet and chased after Sasuke before facing him

What gauntlet? The only full fledged battle I can remember him having is against kimi and manga never stated anything about that fight weakening him. He used kuramas chakra and lee interrupted anyways

Naruto was weakened after going 4tails on orochimaru before the reunion with Sasuke.

Orochimaruo already confirmed that sasuke is superior to 3t Naruto so base naruto not being at full power is irrelevant when he is inferior to his 3t self who is in turn inferior to sasuke. Him being fresh would have changed absolutely nothing based on that as sasuke was leagues above him. Then there is the fact that naruto was not alone, he had 3 other shinobi for help and they all got thrashed

Sasuke had a type match-up advantage over Diedara (Lightening super-effective)

Silly logic. Elemental advantage means shit if you are not strong enough to make the advantage count. By this clown logic, Ms sasuke should defeat Kcm naruto because has elemental advantage (enton) over naruto strongest jutsu (FRS). KCM naruto was flat out losing to 3rd Raikage despite having the elemental advantage(frs) to the 3rd raiton armour. Sasuke prevailed simply because he is capable enough and not just elemental advantage. Besides he spent most of that fight attempting to extract info from deidara while having no intel on him unlike the latter with sharingan genjutsu.

Team Hebi kept stealing Killer bee's victory and Bee was just trying to escape from his village and go on vacation.

Danzo was trying to conserve power to fight Tobi

The fact that he was totally exhausted and in the same drained state like sasuke in the end (They both admitted their attacks at the end would be their last) means he ended up using majority of his chakra eventually. What actually ended up happening>>>Danzo original intentions

Naruto used up his chakra during the war.

His base chakra was low sure, but he fought sasuke mostly with kuramas chakra/avatar and later on Mass NE so that's Irrelevant. Also prior to the fight, sasuke used 9Ct's and Genjutsu on 9 Bijuu while having maintain the CT so am pretty sure that would take some chakra as well

 

[Char Aznable]

Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

That's worse for Deidara not Sasuke considering Sasuke beat him to the point where he had to rely on a suicide explosion which still failed. I don't understand how you manager to interpret negative against Sasuke.



The Kyuubi's chakra heals Naruto. He went Kyuubi against Kimimaro so he wasn't weakened.

Naruto admitted that Sasuke was far stronger than him. Orochimaru even stated 3 tails Naruto wasn't even in his league.

So you're going to mention Sasuke's advantage and not Deidara's? Deidara had the element of surprised, intel, a preplanned counter against Sharingan Genjutsu, a preplanned strategy (landmines), and Tobi's assistance.

Tobi stated that Danzo was forced to go all out. He needed to keep Izanagi activated to counter Susano'o whose arrows were so fast that he couldn't even weave hand seals in time.

Naruto had his chakra replenished. He used Yang Kyuubi throughout the war who was replaced with the Yin Kyuubi. He also received chakra from each Biju aswell as the Sage.

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Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

Was going to rip this thrash of a thread apart but you two beat me to it. Well said


What gauntlet? The only full fledged battle I can remember him having is against kimi and manga never stated anything about that fight weakening him. He used kuramas chakra and lee interrupted anyways


Orochimaruo already confirmed that sasuke is superior to 3t Naruto so base naruto not being at full power is irrelevant when he is inferior to his 3t self who is in turn inferior to sasuke. Him being fresh would have changed absolutely nothing based on that as sasuke was leagues above him. Then there is the fact that naruto was not alone, he had 3 other shinobi for help and they all got thrashed


Silly logic. Elemental advantage means shit if you are not strong enough to make the advantage count. By this clown logic, Ms sasuke should defeat Kcm naruto because has elemental advantage (enton) over naruto strongest jutsu (FRS). KCM naruto was flat out losing to 3rd Raikage despite having the elemental advantage(frs) to the 3rd raiton armour. Sasuke prevailed simply because he is capable enough and not just elemental advantage. Besides he spent most of that fight attempting to extract info from deidara while having no intel on him unlike the latter with sharingan genjutsu.




The fact that he was totally exhausted and in the same drained state like sasuke in the end (They both admitted their attacks at the end would be their last) means he ended up using majority of his chakra eventually. What actually ended up happening>>>Danzo original intentions


His base chakra was low sure, but he fought sasuke mostly with kuramas chakra/avatar and later on Mass NE so that's Irrelevant. Also prior to the fight, sasuke used 9Ct's and Genjutsu on 9 Bijuu while having maintain the CT so am pretty sure that would take some chakra as well

So, you are both of the opinion that Sasuke was not jobbed? Even with the fights he had where he was beaten savagely, nearly killed and driven blind?

 

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So, you are both of the opinion that Sasuke was not jobbed? Even with the fights he had where he was beaten savagely, nearly killed and driven blind?

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He seems jobbed if you overlook information & misinterpret scenes. For example, i'll reiterate my points about the Raikage battle.

Sasuke evaded and tanked the Raikage's attacks, despite Shee stating his Lightning enhanced speed placed him on par with Minato and Darui stating no one ever survived Liger Bomb. He comfortably dodged whilst having Chidori activated for a pinpointed attack. Notice how he is aiming for the Raikage's heart.

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Chidori somewhat pierced the armor which the Raikage remarked as impressive. After tanking Liger Bomb the Raikage immediately powered up to his strongest mode when he saw the Mangekyo yet still had to sacrifice a limb just to potentially touch Sasuke. And the only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who could/would heal him immediately.

How is this getting jobbed? Sasuke actually walked away stronger, having achieved the Imperfect Susano'o which tanked simultaneous attacks, while the Raikage was armless. Each of his opponents acknowledged his feats.

 

[Char Aznable]

He seems jobbed if you overlook information & misinterpret scenes. For example, i'll reiterate my points about the Raikage battle.

Sasuke evaded and tanked the Raikage's attacks, despite Shee stating his Lightning enhanced speed placed him on par with Minato and Darui stating no one ever survived Liger Bomb. He comfortably dodged whilst having Chidori activated for a pinpointed attack. Notice how he is aiming for the Raikage's heart.

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Chidori somewhat pierced the armor which the Raikage remarked as impressive. After tanking Liger Bomb the Raikage immediately powered up to his strongest mode when he saw the Mangekyo yet still had to sacrifice a limb just to potentially touch Sasuke. And the only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who could/would heal him immediately.

How is this getting jobbed? Sasuke actually walked away stronger, having achieved the Imperfect Susano'o which tanked simultaneous attacks, while the Raikage was armless. Each of his opponents acknowledged his feats.

Raikage was a madman, who was willing to kill Sasuke for his brother.

After the Liger Bomb, Sasuke quit fighting and just started camping his total defense. If Susanno wasn't so insanely OP, the Gokage would've killed Sauce.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Raikage was a madman, who was willing to kill Sasuke for his brother.

After the Liger Bomb, Sasuke quit fighting and just started camping his total defense. If Susanno wasn't so insanely OP, the Gokage would've killed Sauce.

Raikage couldnt even break rib-cage Susano'o, im not going to even talk about any stronger version then that. Also, Raikage went all out against Sasuke and using V2 lighting power up

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Raikage couldnt even break rib-cage Susano'o, im not going to even talk about any stronger version then that. Also, Raikage went all out against Sasuke and using V2 lighting power up

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Ah, the benefits of a ridiculous OP, total defense.

Gotta love those free power ups Uchiha get when they get the MS.

Like Obito camping and spamming Kamui for every fight. Until his last fight with Kakashi. The fight where he got his ass spanked.

 

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Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

That's worse for Deidara not Sasuke considering Sasuke beat him to the point where he had to rely on a suicide explosion which still failed. I don't understand how you manager to interpret negative against Sasuke.



The Kyuubi's chakra heals Naruto. He went Kyuubi against Kimimaro so he wasn't weakened.

Naruto admitted that Sasuke was far stronger than him. Orochimaru even stated 3 tails Naruto wasn't even in his league.

So you're going to mention Sasuke's advantage and not Deidara's? Deidara had the element of surprised, intel, a preplanned counter against Sharingan Genjutsu, a preplanned strategy (landmines), and Tobi's assistance.

Tobi stated that Danzo was forced to go all out. He needed to keep Izanagi activated to counter Susano'o whose arrows were so fast that he couldn't even weave hand seals in time.

Naruto had his chakra replenished. He used Yang Kyuubi throughout the war who was replaced with the Yin Kyuubi. He also received chakra from each Biju aswell as the Sage.

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Saradax gave a nice brief counter. Here's a more detailed one.

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1) In base Sasuke was already beginning to see through his movements. Then he forcefully awakened his Sharingan in the midst of battle to completely see through and evade them whilst saving Naruto, which astonished Haku. Haku knew that he would lose if the battle continued so he attacked the unconscious Naruto to land the finishing hits. This/ the next few pages.

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2) First he outsmarted Orochimaru with his plan, luring the Sanin to reveal himself - chapter 46. Afterward, while Naruto was blown to another location, Orochimaru induced fear within Sasuke via Genjutsu which kept him from fighting. Naruto returned, fought, and was knocked unconscious, then Sasuke overcame his fear, fought Orochimaru 1v1, & outsmarted him again, this time setting his face on fire. Orochimaru was impressed anr left. Chapter 49.

3) Storywise Yoroi was fodder but as an opponent he wasn't. Orochimaru said he was Sasuke's worst match up at the time. Due to his ability to absorb chakra, which Sasuke couldn't even use at the time due to the Curse Mark inducing pain when he tried to use it. And if Yoroi drained it all then it would took control of him. Mid-battle the CM became active yet he overcame it through willpower alone.


4) He owned Base Gaara in the finals. Naruto even salty.

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He lost to Shikaku Gaara who got rest and time to power up while Sasuke was weakened and chased him.

5) Lol 4v1, and Sasuke didn't activate his Sharingan or Mark til the end.

6) Poor excuse. Sasuke was well ahead of Naruto. He achieved Non-Gate Lee's level of High Speed Taijutsu in base, thus being way faster and better in Taijutsu. Plus he had the 2-3 tomoe Sharingan in addition to the 2 Curse Mark levels, superior intelligence, ninja tool usage, and Fire style.

Naruto having kill intent wouldn't suddenly make him faster and better at Taijutsu. He didn't stand a chance without the Kyuubi.

7) He owned Team 7 and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. Chidori Stream was used against Deidara and Itachi.

8) I see petty people are trying to deprive Sasuke of his amazing victory with invalid excuses.

Firstly, Orochimaru already knew what it was like to be so sick that he needed to change bodies.

Secondly, he also knew what it was like to face an Uchiha Sharingan user who mastered their dojutsu - Itachi - "None of your techniques work against these eyes "

Thirdly, he knew Sasuke would fight him once his training was complete/when he tried to steal Sasuke's body.

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Forth, compare what Hurizen, known as The Professor & God of Shinobi, stated about Orochimaru to what Orochimaru said about Sasuke.

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Orochimaru acknowledged that Sasuke was a greater genuis than himself.

Despite all of these conditions, & on top of having years to prepare, Orochimaru faced Sasuke with complete confidence believing his body transfer ritual was impossible to overcome, and still lost to Sasuke, who countered with absolute ease. Having been fully prepared for it.

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Orochimaru shredded his human body & entered the Great White Snake Mode. The Great White Snake is known for it's healing properties.

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Once Orochimaru used it, he was no longer bound by the sick excuse. This mode is why Orochimaru's confidence was so high. He believed that with it, when he performed his body transfer ritual to steal Sasuke's body, it would be *impossible* to overcome.

Yet Sasuke did so with absolute ease. Having thoroughly studied Orochimaru's abilities beforehand, on top of training, thus having been fully prepared.

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8) if it was a 1v1, Sasuke would have won more easily. Tobi laid out land mines that Deidara wouldn't have been able plant unnoticed if at all while fighting Sasuke by himself, which is what forced Sasuke to activate his Curse Mark & prolonged the battle.

Plus Sasuke was trying to keep Deidara alive so that he could get info on Itachi rather than going for the killing blow right away. So if he didn't hold back the battle would be over even sooner.

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9) Fair enough.

10) Sasuke had several disadvantages.

He was still weakened from his battle with Itachi, lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (the Curse Mark), gained a new one that he couldn't ideally learn how to use/develop through training due to it's negative effects (the Mangekyo), & held back because he needed to capture Bee alive.

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Despite this Bee still retreated because he was low on stamina and stated that Sasuke was probably the toughest Shinobi he ever fought.

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Without the Hachibi, Genjutsu one-shots, and even with it, Amaterasu one-shots if he has kill intent.

11) Your descriptions are very butchered.

He easily evaded the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed which placed him on par with Minato - the fastest Shinobi in history, while having Chidori activated for pinpointed attack - notice how he was aiming for his heart, then he tanked the Liger Bomb which Darui - his right hand man, stated no one had ever survived.

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The Raikage had to fully power up and sacrafice a limb just to touch/harm him. With the first hit only knocking him down. The only reason he was willing to go so far was because he had a medic ninja on his side who would immediately heal him.

If he were to do this in a true 1v1, Sasuke would likely die, but he would burn to a crisp and or bled to death.

Also, he could have casted Genjutsu on him when they made obvious eye contact.

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But i guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without recieving any hits/damage.

12) Faced several opponents, tanked simultaneous attacks, escaped, and later needed to be saved because of the Mangekyo's sidr effects as opposed to his own opponents damages.

13) Lol Danzo was killed like 9 times. Outpowered and outsmarted. Old age didn't negatively effect him due to being amplied by Hashirama's cells. It boosted his physical energy which allowed him to wield so many Sharingan and repeatedly use Izanagi to escape death. Age worked in his favor considering he had much more experience as a Shinobi than Sasuke.

14) I need to reread.

15) True.

16) Black Zetsu made sure to separate him from Naruto due to being so dangerous. Sasuke also made him expend more chakra on dimensional tranfer which Zetsu warned her about. He also rendered an entire dimension useless since she knew he could counter her Ice and he was absolutely needed to seal her. He also set up opportunities for Naruto to land hits.

17) Tied with Naruto and beat the Yin Kyuubi who passed out when giving Naruto the remainder of his chakra.

18) Adult Shin was physically unable to fight due to Sasuke. The Kid Shin's just landed the killing blows.

19) Weakened from crossing dimensions, Kinshiki still couldn't defeat the 1 armed weakened Sasuke.

20) They knocked him into orbit with teamwork from Sasuke.

Aside from butchering almost everything, you skipped victorys.

1) Naruto in the academy.

2) The Demon mist brothers

3) Oboro - chapter 46.

4) Zaku & Dosu.

5) Base Gaara in the finals.

6) Sai with Genjutsu

7) Manda

8) Shee

9) The original White Zetsu

10-18) Biju 1-9

19) Kid Shin

20) Kid Shin again when Adult Shin used him as a shield.

21) Kinshiki round 2.

22) Momoshiki.

Plus the people he beat his first Shinden novel.

Was going to rip this thrash of a thread apart but you two beat me to it. Well said


What gauntlet? The only full fledged battle I can remember him having is against kimi and manga never stated anything about that fight weakening him. He used kuramas chakra and lee interrupted anyways


Orochimaruo already confirmed that sasuke is superior to 3t Naruto so base naruto not being at full power is irrelevant when he is inferior to his 3t self who is in turn inferior to sasuke. Him being fresh would have changed absolutely nothing based on that as sasuke was leagues above him. Then there is the fact that naruto was not alone, he had 3 other shinobi for help and they all got thrashed


Silly logic. Elemental advantage means shit if you are not strong enough to make the advantage count. By this clown logic, Ms sasuke should defeat Kcm naruto because has elemental advantage (enton) over naruto strongest jutsu (FRS). KCM naruto was flat out losing to 3rd Raikage despite having the elemental advantage(frs) to the 3rd raiton armour. Sasuke prevailed simply because he is capable enough and not just elemental advantage. Besides he spent most of that fight attempting to extract info from deidara while having no intel on him unlike the latter with sharingan genjutsu.




The fact that he was totally exhausted and in the same drained state like sasuke in the end (They both admitted their attacks at the end would be their last) means he ended up using majority of his chakra eventually. What actually ended up happening>>>Danzo original intentions


His base chakra was low sure, but he fought sasuke mostly with kuramas chakra/avatar and later on Mass NE so that's Irrelevant. Also prior to the fight, sasuke used 9Ct's and Genjutsu on 9 Bijuu while having maintain the CT so am pretty sure that would take some chakra as well

The Ls handed out have Char reeling :lmoa:

 

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Ah, the benefits of a ridiculous OP, total defense.

Gotta love those free power ups Uchiha get when they get the MS.

Like Obito camping and spamming Kamui for every fight. Until his last fight with Kakashi. The fight where he got his ass spanked.

Hebi Sasuke would solo the shit out of Kakashi 0 diff and blitzed. MS/EMS is their birthright and their power - you're just jealous of the Uchiha, same that goes for Uzumaki chains while at it. Even if its a free power up as you say, Sasuke endure's pain while using its power

Sasuke was a kid, fighting Kage lvl ninja who couldnt do shit but went straight V2 against kid .... give me a break

If he was facing Adult Sasuke fodder would be blitzed like a fodder

 

[Char Aznable]

The Ls handed out have Char reeling :lmoa:

Neither answered the thread question of whether Kishi jobbed Sasuke.

With the Ls and beatings Sasuke took throughout the series, Kishi seemingly had it out for the last Uchiha.

Hebi Sasuke would solo the shit out of Kakashi 0 diff and blitzed. MS/EMS is their birthright and their power - you're just jealous of the Uchiha, same that goes for Uzumaki chains while at it. Even if its a free power up as you say, Sasuke endure's pain while using its power

Sasuke was a kid, fighting Kage lvl ninja who couldnt do shit but went straight V2 against kid .... give me a break

If he was facing Adult Sasuke fodder would be blitzed like a fodder

No. Sasuke was a man (17 years old) fighting other adults.

With the laundry list of abilities the standard Sharingan has and the extra abilities the Mangekyou grants. Sasuke wasn't at an ability or power disadvantage. The Gokage were just better fighters than he was.


Is adult Sasuke better than the current Gokage (without PS of course)? Given the Gokage's performance against Kinshiki, I imagine each one of them could likely hold their own. Just like Sasuke did one on one with Kinshiki.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Neither answered the thread question of whether Kishi jobbed Sasuke.

With the Ls and beatings Sasuke took throughout the series, Kishi seemingly had it out for the last Uchiha.


No. Sasuke was a man (17 years old) fighting other adults.

With the laundry list of abilities the standard Sharingan has and the extra abilities the Mangekyou grants. Sasuke wasn't at an ability or power disadvantage. The Gokage were just better fighters than he was.


Is adult Sasuke better than the current Gokage (without PS of course)? Given the Gokage's performance against Kinshiki, I imagine each one of them could likely hold their own. Just like Sasuke did one on one with Kinshiki.

Dont joke with me brate.... you are asking the stupid question if the Gokages are better then Sasuke/ Wtf is this question.... ??? Chojuro couldnt even even beat the fake kids who tried to immitade the original 7swordsman of the mist and you're asking me this?

Sasuke is nerfed end of story - just because they give shit ....im done here

fodderz blitzed in an instant