Detailed Explanation of why Sasuke has the complete capacity of destroying Naruto
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Didn't you know omnyodon nullifies all ninjutsu that includes preta path! :vincent:
Naruto has genjutsu counter so a genjutsu fight is useless and sasuke knows that very well. :vincent:
Finally sasuke doesn't have senjutsu! :vincent:
Go do your research once more!!:vincent:
Inferno792
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So I've seen a LOT of posts filled with stuff like -
Well, you get the idea.
So I've decided to make this thread to show everyone why TnJ, PnJ and Sasuke-nerfing are the only options for Naruto to defeat Sasuke. And please, I'm telling you that this is a detailed explanation already, so only progress beyond this point if you wish to read my explanation.
. <----- Point
So let's begin :snick::snick:
This argument is divided into two parts- Naruto and Sasuke- where I discuss their offense and the other's defense towards it.
But before that, I have a proofs section, where I prove certain points to be used in the actual argument. These are things that are generally denied, but are true.
Proofs:-
1- Sasuke's Rinnegan
2- Sasuke's SenjutsuSo we've seen Sasuke summoning his hawk in another dimension and midair during the Kaguya Arc. In the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc, we've seen that animals such as cats are also affected by the IT. However when Sasuke summoned the hawk, it wasn't under the effects of IT. Sasuke said that only a rinnegan can fight against a rinnegan genjutsu. All rinnegan summons have a rinnegan. Rinnegan is the only way to avoid the IT. Therefore, Sasuke's hawk had a rinnegan. Therefore, Sasuke can use the animal path.
Sasuke used Chibaku Tensei in 692. Therefore, he can use the Deva Path.
It is only logical to come to the conclusion that Sasuke can also use the other paths. This is my proof for Sasuke being able to use the other paths.
3- Naruto's Genjutsu ImmunityIn the fight against Rikodou Madara, Sasuke and Naruto tried to seal Madara (One Rinnegan). At that time Sasuke used black chidori. He could use black chidori only on curse mode. Curse mode is later shown to be a form of senjutsu. Sasuke told Naruto to prepare an attack and said that he would use sage chakra. Therefore, the black chidori is a form of Senjutsu and as a result, sasuke can control senjutsu, even though he cannot obtain it like Naruto. If he is given senjutsu, he can use it.
Now, Naruto is often proclaimed to be immune to Genjutsu because he has a tailed beast inside of him. Let's go a while back to when we were told that Genjutsus don't work on Jinchuurikis.
Genjutsus are performed by disturbing the chakra flow of the opponent's body. A tailed beast can sense it and make it normal again, providing the host with genjutsu immunity.
But let's take a look at a Jutsu like Tsukuyomi. It can change the victim's perception of time. As a result, years of torture can be performed in within a second. As a result, by the time the tailed beast releases the genjutsu, the damage has already been done.
As a result, Naruto is immune to most Genjutsus but is helpless against a genjutsu which takes place in an instant.
Naruto:-
1- Ninjutsu
2- GenjutsuNaruto can use a wide variety of ninjutsu. His strongest (right now) being the Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken and the other elemental Rasenshuriken. The normal Rasenshuriken, Rasengan, etc.
Also, he can use chakra to aid his taijutsu with things like chakra arms, etc.
Sasuke's preta path can absorb chakra so it pretty much leaves naruto incapable of using ninjutsu. But then Naruto can use senjutsu to turn Sasuke into stone.
BUT, as mentioned in proof 2, Sasuke can control senjutsu. Naruto was told by the frog guy that if he didn't control the sage chakra, he'll turn to stone. That's why Nagato's Preta Path turned to stone. He couldn't control the sage chakra. Sasuke however can, and as a result, he can absorb ALL of Naruto's ninjutsu without turning to stone.
3- TaijutsuNaruto can't use Genjutsu.
4- Tailed beast ModeNaruto's pretty great at Taijutsu, but since he can't use chakra aids because sasuke'll absorb them, he has to depend on his base Taijutsu. And I think everyone here agrees that base Naruto Taijutsu <<<< Tsunade + Raikage chakra aided taijutsu.
In the fight versus Madara, it took that strength to break a normal Susanoo. Sasuke can use a PS. Therefore the above combo wouldn't be able to destroy it. Therefore Naruto can't damage Sasuke through his Susano'o.
5- Sexy JutsuThis is pretty powerful too, but since it depends on chakra as well, no attack except physical ones will work. And if naruto gets too close in TBM to Sasuke, Preta path'll absorb the Tailed beast.
6- Omnyoudon/GoudamaNaruto can use Sexy Jutsu to fight against Sasuke, but Sasuke's too serious to be tempted by it. He's never shown attention to girls anyway.
7- Sword Of NonubokuDuring the fight with Juubito, One of the hokages mentioned that an omnyoudon is 4 or more types of chakras mixed so that it can cancel any jutsu. It's still chakra, so Preta Path can absorb.
8- SummoningIf Naruto owns it, it pretty much destroys anything in its path, but I don't think he does.
Even if he does, it's still made up of chakra (Omnyoudons) and can be absorbed by Preta Path
If Naruto Summons Gamakichi, Sasuke'll summon Aoda and just in case you don't know, Snakes eat frogs.
As you can see from above, Naruto can't use anything to damage Sasuke. He has no attacks that'll work against Sasuke at all.
Sasuke:-
1- Chibaku Tensei
2- AmaterasuChibaku Tensei is OHKO. There is no escape. He claps his hands, Naruto becomes the CT core, it's over. No matter how much he flies, the rocks will keep on chasing him. If he destroys them, more will come. He doesn't have infinite chakra.
3- Perfect Susano'oNaruto's speed is fast enough to avoid amaterasu, so it's basically useless, BUT, Sasuke can use amaterasu in one hand, then launch it at a stone or something and then when it's about to hit, swap the stone with Naruto. It's unavoidable if he does that.
4-Rinnegan GenjutsuAs discussed in the Naruto section, Naruto has no counter for his PS. As a result, PS sword can stab Naruto to death.
5- TaijutsuIn 693, we saw how Sasuke can do genjutsus that take place in an instant. In proof 3, we see that Naruto can be affected by instant Genjutsus. Sasuke can easily defeat Naruto like he defeated Sakura.
Sasuke can match up to base Naruto in taijutsu with his chidori and/or Enton sword. It's kind of even so I conclude that Sasuke won't 'defeat' Naruto in base taijutsu, but with PS, he pretty much solos.
As you can see from the above arguments, you can see how Sasuke pretty much solos Naruto, whereas Naruto can't even touch Sasuke. This is completely unbiased (I kind of like them both now. They're both awesome) and I have given proof for every single one of my points.
Naruto needs TnJ, PnJ or Sasuke-nerfing to win.
Imo, Sasuke'll win but not kill Naruto like last time and he'll get a hit on his forehead like last time so in the movie, he wears a bandage on his head to hide the scar.
Anyways, feel free to use this thread to prove the point to any fanboys you see. Have a nice day, week, month, year and life.
What crappy explanation.
First up, you dont have any proof that Sasuke has all the paths. It's just your assumption.
TSB is a jutsu that negates all jutsu. Nothing works against it. Sasuke cant even think of countering it. It's the perfect offense as well as defense.
Your explanation of Sasuke's genjutsu ability and how Naruto wasnt immune to Genjutsu was all wishful thinking.
Are you an idiot? Who told you that Sasuke can control Senjutsu? Just cz he used the black Chidori? ahh.. You're the perfect fanboy.
Naruto's Taijutsu is unrivalled in SM. Not even Gai with 8 gates can match it. He has Toad Sage mode+ SO6P sge mode. His strength is enhanced beyond your comprehension. Naruto can destroy Sasuke's perfect Susanoo in an instant with that.
Sasuke can't absorb ninjutsu nor can he handle Senjutsu.
You said you had proof that Sasuke can beat Naruto. Well, it's not proof. It's just how you want the fight to happen.
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DeadManWonderLand
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The fail is extremely powerful in you.
1.Your first problem is that you stated the rinnegan is going to me a major factor,WELL NARUTO ALREADY FOUGHT the rinnegan
twice now.So yeah,besides not having any surprises to worry about chibaku tensei would get wrecked easily ...why ?
Because naruto already did by destroying madara's multiple chibaku tensei's earlier in one go all while making sure sasuke didn't get hit.
And for some reason you think animal paths will be the key to winning the battle ? lol
2.You talk about immunity to genjustu
The only genjustu he would be rendered against is not your typical genjustu it doesn't affect just one sense its a light that traps you in an eternal slumber a genjustu from both yin and yang not just yin.
But,since you seem to lack the smarts ill come at it from another angle
If sasuke could place him under a genjustu why didn't he already do it ?.......
Don't even wanna continue this thread is already ashes.
1.Your first problem is that you stated the rinnegan is going to me a major factor,WELL NARUTO ALREADY FOUGHT the rinnegan
twice now.So yeah,besides not having any surprises to worry about chibaku tensei would get wrecked easily ...why ?
Because naruto already did by destroying madara's multiple chibaku tensei's earlier in one go all while making sure sasuke didn't get hit.
And for some reason you think animal paths will be the key to winning the battle ? lol
2.You talk about immunity to genjustu
The only genjustu he would be rendered against is not your typical genjustu it doesn't affect just one sense its a light that traps you in an eternal slumber a genjustu from both yin and yang not just yin.
But,since you seem to lack the smarts ill come at it from another angle
If sasuke could place him under a genjustu why didn't he already do it ?.......
Don't even wanna continue this thread is already ashes.
Sage konohamaru
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Few plot holes in your theory.So I've seen a LOT of posts filled with stuff like -
Well, you get the idea.
So I've decided to make this thread to show everyone why TnJ, PnJ and Sasuke-nerfing are the only options for Naruto to defeat Sasuke. And please, I'm telling you that this is a detailed explanation already, so only progress beyond this point if you wish to read my explanation.
. <----- Point
So let's begin :snick::snick:
This argument is divided into two parts- Naruto and Sasuke- where I discuss their offense and the other's defense towards it.
But before that, I have a proofs section, where I prove certain points to be used in the actual argument. These are things that are generally denied, but are true.
Proofs:-
1- Sasuke's Rinnegan
2- Sasuke's SenjutsuSo we've seen Sasuke summoning his hawk in another dimension and midair during the Kaguya Arc. In the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc, we've seen that animals such as cats are also affected by the IT. However when Sasuke summoned the hawk, it wasn't under the effects of IT. Sasuke said that only a rinnegan can fight against a rinnegan genjutsu. All rinnegan summons have a rinnegan. Rinnegan is the only way to avoid the IT. Therefore, Sasuke's hawk had a rinnegan. Therefore, Sasuke can use the animal path.
Sasuke used Chibaku Tensei in 692. Therefore, he can use the Deva Path.
It is only logical to come to the conclusion that Sasuke can also use the other paths. This is my proof for Sasuke being able to use the other paths.
3- Naruto's Genjutsu ImmunityIn the fight against Rikodou Madara, Sasuke and Naruto tried to seal Madara (One Rinnegan). At that time Sasuke used black chidori. He could use black chidori only on curse mode. Curse mode is later shown to be a form of senjutsu. Sasuke told Naruto to prepare an attack and said that he would use sage chakra. Therefore, the black chidori is a form of Senjutsu and as a result, sasuke can control senjutsu, even though he cannot obtain it like Naruto. If he is given senjutsu, he can use it.
Now, Naruto is often proclaimed to be immune to Genjutsu because he has a tailed beast inside of him. Let's go a while back to when we were told that Genjutsus don't work on Jinchuurikis.
Genjutsus are performed by disturbing the chakra flow of the opponent's body. A tailed beast can sense it and make it normal again, providing the host with genjutsu immunity.
But let's take a look at a Jutsu like Tsukuyomi. It can change the victim's perception of time. As a result, years of torture can be performed in within a second. As a result, by the time the tailed beast releases the genjutsu, the damage has already been done.
As a result, Naruto is immune to most Genjutsus but is helpless against a genjutsu which takes place in an instant.
Naruto:-
1- Ninjutsu
2- GenjutsuNaruto can use a wide variety of ninjutsu. His strongest (right now) being the Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken and the other elemental Rasenshuriken. The normal Rasenshuriken, Rasengan, etc.
Also, he can use chakra to aid his taijutsu with things like chakra arms, etc.
Sasuke's preta path can absorb chakra so it pretty much leaves naruto incapable of using ninjutsu. But then Naruto can use senjutsu to turn Sasuke into stone.
BUT, as mentioned in proof 2, Sasuke can control senjutsu. Naruto was told by the frog guy that if he didn't control the sage chakra, he'll turn to stone. That's why Nagato's Preta Path turned to stone. He couldn't control the sage chakra. Sasuke however can, and as a result, he can absorb ALL of Naruto's ninjutsu without turning to stone.
3- TaijutsuNaruto can't use Genjutsu.
4- Tailed beast ModeNaruto's pretty great at Taijutsu, but since he can't use chakra aids because sasuke'll absorb them, he has to depend on his base Taijutsu. And I think everyone here agrees that base Naruto Taijutsu <<<< Tsunade + Raikage chakra aided taijutsu.
In the fight versus Madara, it took that strength to break a normal Susanoo. Sasuke can use a PS. Therefore the above combo wouldn't be able to destroy it. Therefore Naruto can't damage Sasuke through his Susano'o.
5- Sexy JutsuThis is pretty powerful too, but since it depends on chakra as well, no attack except physical ones will work. And if naruto gets too close in TBM to Sasuke, Preta path'll absorb the Tailed beast.
6- Omnyoudon/GoudamaNaruto can use Sexy Jutsu to fight against Sasuke, but Sasuke's too serious to be tempted by it. He's never shown attention to girls anyway.
7- Sword Of NonubokuDuring the fight with Juubito, One of the hokages mentioned that an omnyoudon is 4 or more types of chakras mixed so that it can cancel any jutsu. It's still chakra, so Preta Path can absorb.
8- SummoningIf Naruto owns it, it pretty much destroys anything in its path, but I don't think he does.
Even if he does, it's still made up of chakra (Omnyoudons) and can be absorbed by Preta Path
If Naruto Summons Gamakichi, Sasuke'll summon Aoda and just in case you don't know, Snakes eat frogs.
As you can see from above, Naruto can't use anything to damage Sasuke. He has no attacks that'll work against Sasuke at all.
Sasuke:-
1- Chibaku Tensei
2- AmaterasuChibaku Tensei is OHKO. There is no escape. He claps his hands, Naruto becomes the CT core, it's over. No matter how much he flies, the rocks will keep on chasing him. If he destroys them, more will come. He doesn't have infinite chakra.
3- Perfect Susano'oNaruto's speed is fast enough to avoid amaterasu, so it's basically useless, BUT, Sasuke can use amaterasu in one hand, then launch it at a stone or something and then when it's about to hit, swap the stone with Naruto. It's unavoidable if he does that.
4-Rinnegan GenjutsuAs discussed in the Naruto section, Naruto has no counter for his PS. As a result, PS sword can stab Naruto to death.
5- TaijutsuIn 693, we saw how Sasuke can do genjutsus that take place in an instant. In proof 3, we see that Naruto can be affected by instant Genjutsus. Sasuke can easily defeat Naruto like he defeated Sakura.
Sasuke can match up to base Naruto in taijutsu with his chidori and/or Enton sword. It's kind of even so I conclude that Sasuke won't 'defeat' Naruto in base taijutsu, but with PS, he pretty much solos.
As you can see from the above arguments, you can see how Sasuke pretty much solos Naruto, whereas Naruto can't even touch Sasuke. This is completely unbiased (I kind of like them both now. They're both awesome) and I have given proof for every single one of my points.
Naruto needs TnJ, PnJ or Sasuke-nerfing to win.
Imo, Sasuke'll win but not kill Naruto like last time and he'll get a hit on his forehead like last time so in the movie, he wears a bandage on his head to hide the scar.
Anyways, feel free to use this thread to prove the point to any fanboys you see. Have a nice day, week, month, year and life.
For one. Sasukes hawk has been his summon since the Kage summit. It doesn't have rinnegan. After the IT takes place anything that wasnt under its control, is free to do whatever. (E.g. Kakashi, Obito, Sakura)
Even if Sasuke can absorb the chakra and senjutsu from Naruto, there is a limit. A body can only hold so much chakra before it starts to work against itself (e.g Guy 8th gates)
You give Sasuke's rinnegan too much credit for too few feats shown. He has CT which Naruto has shown to be able to break multiple times.
You downplay Narutos speed. His speed has shown to be the fastest in the series, with maybe 8th gates Guy in his level. He can blitz around and wont be caught by Amateratsu. Which has yet to kill anyone btw.
Perfect Susano'o has been broken by kaguya. Twice.
Preta path can only absorb so much. And thats if he can use it
Madara Uzumaki Uchiha
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So, your basically saying that Sasuke has preta path therefore all things involving chakra are useless? You need to reread the naruto vs pein fight to see how preta path works.
Sure preta path absorbs ninjustu, but not instantly. It takes quite awhile to aborb a Justu + it has limits. When madara absorbed Naruto's rasenshuriken he said "that's too much"
so, no their is no evidence that suggests sasukes supposed preta path can absorb a bijudama rasenshuriken. - even if he can, it's not like the absorption is instantaneous, it takes time, during that time Sasuke would be vulnerable.
What's sasukes answer to a seven tailed light rasengan??
I doubt Sasuke is better at absorbing chakra than kaguya, and kaguya was unable to absorb all of Naruto's chakra instantly.
You do know that the only shown way to absorb someone's chakra outside of their on body is with direct contact. Kaguya needed contact, as did nagato. So, no- Sasuke cannot just a absorb all of Naruto's chakra away from Afar.
Your main point is that all of Naruto's attacks use chakra, and that since Sasuke should have preta path he can absorb everything naruto can throw at him without limit.
Sorry but, unless Sasuke shows us that his preta path has no limits then it's not true. Powerscaling puts Sasuke under kaguya- so anything kaguya cannot absorb instantly Sasuke cannot aswell.
It's funny, you state that you don't think naruto owns the sword of nonuboku , but you don't provide any reason. It's a construct of omnyouton- which naruto has + it takes willpower to use/ furthermore obito said it contained the sages will.
I don't see why naruto wouldnot get it.
Sure preta path absorbs ninjustu, but not instantly. It takes quite awhile to aborb a Justu + it has limits. When madara absorbed Naruto's rasenshuriken he said "that's too much"
so, no their is no evidence that suggests sasukes supposed preta path can absorb a bijudama rasenshuriken. - even if he can, it's not like the absorption is instantaneous, it takes time, during that time Sasuke would be vulnerable.
What's sasukes answer to a seven tailed light rasengan??
I doubt Sasuke is better at absorbing chakra than kaguya, and kaguya was unable to absorb all of Naruto's chakra instantly.
You do know that the only shown way to absorb someone's chakra outside of their on body is with direct contact. Kaguya needed contact, as did nagato. So, no- Sasuke cannot just a absorb all of Naruto's chakra away from Afar.
Your main point is that all of Naruto's attacks use chakra, and that since Sasuke should have preta path he can absorb everything naruto can throw at him without limit.
Sorry but, unless Sasuke shows us that his preta path has no limits then it's not true. Powerscaling puts Sasuke under kaguya- so anything kaguya cannot absorb instantly Sasuke cannot aswell.
It's funny, you state that you don't think naruto owns the sword of nonuboku , but you don't provide any reason. It's a construct of omnyouton- which naruto has + it takes willpower to use/ furthermore obito said it contained the sages will.
I don't see why naruto wouldnot get it.
