DemonicAvenger and KidGamer65's Official Top Ten

[Nardo]

For a list counting all forms, this Top 10 is really good, nice.

 

[Dr Doom]

This list makes no sense. Why have a Top 10 with multiple forms but same characters...and Orochimaru? EDO Tensei doesn't make you powerful, it's just brings up undead servants who are powerful in their own ways. Fail

 

[AlphaScythian]

Lol, no, its not. Naruto was pushing back someone stronger than Obito, so Obito will get done much worse. Obito having Rinnegan (which he never uses, so its not even a factor) and the Senjutsu of the Six Paths doesn't mean he is stronger than Naruto or Sasuke after getting Hagoromo's power.

Who did naruto push back? Madara? Im not so sure how stronger he was after Obito stole some chakra from him to make a staff and bijuus.
Needless to say that madara was still pretty beaten up from gai, he didnt even have time to recover, it was visually clear.
Another thing is that madara had only one onmyudon ball to defend himself.

Not sure what you mean with the last bit. Naruto and Sasuke are equal so they are at spots 5 and 6, while Obito is weaker than them and the person at spot 7 so he's at spot 8. What does him being one entity have to do with anything?

What i obviously mean is that neither naruto nor sasuke(unless that 9T is so OP) can match jin Obito. You place them as seperate beings in list yet you claim each can beat Obito U_U

Naruto blitzed Madara, who is far faster than Obito, and then bisected him (He is more durable than Obito) and the Shinju. Obito dies if he takes a Yoton RS directly.

Madara wasnt stated to be faster then Obito, and sure lost some juice after obito stole chakra. Madara had deep cuts but wasnt bisected as you said.

He wouldn't lay a finger on him? Even though he blitzed someone much faster? Lets get real.

Already countered above.
You made list of same character with different power up yet ou dismiss madara's beating and loss of chakra prior to so called blitz.

Madara got bisected and he's more durable than Obito. Pretty sure Obito is going to be in much worse condition.

Do you adapt Hitler's teaching? A lie told often enough becomes true? Where was madara stated to be more durable or faster in 1st place, i have a memory loss. Even after fully bisected Obito wasnt in such shitty state like madara now.

AGoodBoy already posted the scan...Though this part of your post isn't even relevant since Current Naruto is tiers and tiers above BSM Naruto.

Thats premature speculation, same thing was said about BSM yet we saw nothing like it.
Currently naruto possesses advanced BSM as he isnt juubi jin, juubi jins dont have base mode. Onmyudon balls also help but its not tiers and tiers above.

When he blitzed Madara and cut him in half with YRS (Who is more durable than Obito) along with the Shinju, and still showed us that he had more power in reserve (Bijuu Mode) he jumped above Obito.

Again repeating, i have no business countering what wasnt stated in manga. So either scans or drop this Hitler policy.

 

[FourthSmokage]

Lol @ taking edo tensei into account seriously

Also lol @ putting the sage, naruto, and madara multiple times.


Thats such a cop out. Edo tensei is a plot device more than a weapon

 

[KidGamer65]

Who did naruto push back? Madara? Im not so sure how stronger he was after Obito stole some chakra from him to make a staff and bijuus.

He stole a minuscule amount of chakra. Its irrelevant to Madara's overall power.

Needless to say that madara was still pretty beaten up from gai, he didnt even have time to recover, it was visually clear.

Madara already said that he was getting pushed back because Naruto has gotten stronger, not because he hasn't fully healed.

Another thing is that madara had only one onmyudon ball to defend himself.

As if it would have mattered. YRS is Senjutsu, and it cut the Shinju in half, no Onmyoton would have saved him, especially since he almost got blitzed in the process of making one staff with one ball.

What i obviously mean is that neither naruto nor sasuke(unless that 9T is so OP) can match jin Obito. You place them as seperate beings in list yet you claim each can beat Obito U_U

But they can beat Obito.

Madara wasnt stated to be faster then Obito, and sure lost some juice after obito stole chakra. Madara had deep cuts but wasnt bisected as you said.

Madara (Pre Juubi)>>Obito (Pre Juubi) when it comes to speed. Give them both the Juubi (Madara got more chakra) and you'll arrive at the conclusion that Obito is slower.

Obito stole fragments of Shukaku and Gyuki, and a little bit of chakra to use the staff. Its irrelevant to his full powers, nor does it change the fact he's stronger than Obito.

I'll concede on this point.

You made list of same character with different power up yet ou dismiss madara's beating and loss of chakra prior to so called blitz.

How are the two even related?

Do you adapt Hitler's teaching? A lie told often enough becomes true? Where was madara stated to be more durable or faster in 1st place, i have a memory loss. Even after fully bisected Obito wasnt in such shitty state like madara now.

When Madara took Evening Elephant with minor damage yet Obito got a hole in his back from a Senpo: Rasengan. Madara took a beating from the 9 Bijuu before becoming the Jin. Common sense tells me Madara is more durable.

Obito was never bisected.

Thats premature speculation, same thing was said about BSM yet we saw nothing like it.
Currently naruto possesses advanced BSM as he isnt juubi jin, juubi jins dont have base mode. Onmyudon balls also help but its not tiers and tiers above.

Got defeated by a weaker form of Madara, then comes back and starts getting the better of a stronger form of Madara (Who is tiers and tiers above his old self) yet Naruto isn't tiers and tiers above what he was before? He needs to team up with Sasuke to beat Madara yet you are telling me that he isn't tiers and tiers above?

Lets be serious here.

Again repeating, i have no business countering what wasnt stated in manga. So either scans or drop this Hitler policy.

Start using common sense or drop this argument and get out of this thread.

 

[Trollasaur]

Lol @ taking edo tensei into account seriously

Also lol @ putting the sage, naruto, and madara multiple times.


Thats such a cop out. Edo tensei is a plot device more than a weapon

Cry me a river

 

[MightGai]

Orochimaru has Edo Hashirama, Edo Minato, Edo Tobirama, and Edo Hiruzen.

We skipped Indra and Ashura since we know very little about how powerful they were.​

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Yet you seem to fully grasp the slightest difference in power between a Juubi Jinchuuriki Rikudo sennin and not, same goes for Tree Madara.

 

[FourthSmokage]

Cry me a river

Im actually laughing a river. I didnt even know that was possible but this list is too fuuny

 

[Trollasaur]

Im actually laughing a river. I didnt even know that was possible but this list is too fuuny

Yeah it's pretty awful, but edo's are apart of someones power whether you like it or not.

 

[Dr Doom]

Cry me a river

He's not crying a river. He's actually thinking logically using literature. Edo tensei is a plot device. It was used in Part 1 to introduce the 1st and 2nd Hokage in living form. And same goes for legendary ninja during the war we may have heard about or gotten a cameo from. It's part of someone's power? Please, say for instance the 1st Hokage was said to be the strongest ninja in history but his only power was Edo Tensei would that make sense?

 

[Trollasaur]

He's not crying a river. He's actually thinking logically using literature. Edo tensei is a plot device. It was used in Part 1 to introduce the 1st and 2nd Hokage in living form. And same goes for legendary ninja during the war we may have heard about or gotten a cameo from. It's part of someone's power? Please, say for instance the 1st Hokage was said to be the strongest ninja in history but his only power was Edo Tensei would that make sense?

yep..............

 

[V h o]

Nice list, I agree.

 

[Haizaki]

Not a bad list but kinda surprised 8th Gates Gai didn't make it

 

[Dr Doom]

yep..............

One word reply, good let's keep it that way chump.

 

[Exaar]

I'm surprised to see no Kabuto

DSM Kabuto with his edo Army that includes the likes of Edo Madara/Nagato and so on.

Also I'd put the Juubi Jin Sage above Kaguya

 

[Trollasaur]

One word reply, good let's keep it that way chump.

That's all I needed to answer your question.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He stole a minuscule amount of chakra. Its irrelevant to Madara's overall power.

Not so minuscule. And apparently those black balls take load of chakra as madara couldnt form new ones.
And yes it is relevant as it is then added to other factors such as beating and loss of onmyudon balls. Dont you think that a chakra is consumed when one recovers?

Madara already said that he was getting pushed back because Naruto has gotten stronger, not because he hasn't fully healed.

I wont deny that probably main reason is naruto's power up, but one cant deny that madara didnt fully recover yet it visibly clear. So it combination of both along with element of surprise.
Or should we also say that Obito in near vegetable state blitzed madara when he got his fist up madara's chest?

As if it would have mattered. YRS is Senjutsu, and it cut the Shinju in half, no Onmyoton would have saved him, especially since he almost got blitzed in the process of making one staff with one ball.

Tree is made of mokuton, it doesnt have any durability feat. Im sure regular giant FRS or PS slash would cut it down. SA was planning to do that anyway.

But they can beat Obito.

We dont know for sure. Naruto openly admits he needs sasuke for madara and madara isnt much stronger then obito. So it makes no sense for you to claim that naruto or sasuke can beat jin Obito U_U

Madara (Pre Juubi)>>Obito (Pre Juubi) when it comes to speed. Give them both the Juubi (Madara got more chakra) and you'll arrive at the conclusion that Obito is slower.

By this logic naruto shouldnt be blitzing madara. Simply as naruto's base speed is pathetic compared to madara and the power up from combined bijuus shouldnt give better results then whole juubi.

Obito stole fragments of Shukaku and Gyuki, and a little bit of chakra to use the staff. Its irrelevant to his full powers, nor does it change the fact he's stronger than Obito.

Or maybe it does as we dont know how much stronger madara initially was both are juubi jins after all, difference couldnt be that great.

How are the two even related?

What im saying is that current naruto and sasuke have no place above jin Obito, surely not until more feats U_U
Nothing to relate here except logic twilight zone you live in.

When Madara took Evening Elephant with minor damage yet Obito got a hole in his back from a Senpo: Rasengan. Madara took a beating from the 9 Bijuu before becoming the Jin. Common sense tells me Madara is more durable.

Obito was never bisected.

What hole? It was little grasp for crying out loud U_U. Madara's durability was appropriate for SM he was having. Logically this SM was over written by nature energy from juubi.

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He clearly was bisected.

Got defeated by a weaker form of Madara, then comes back and starts getting the better of a stronger form of Madara (Who is tiers and tiers above his old self) yet Naruto isn't tiers and tiers above what he was before? He needs to team up with Sasuke to beat Madara yet you are telling me that he isn't tiers and tiers above?
Lets be serious here.

I am serious. Both Obito and madara being juubi jins make them of roughly same power, with minor edge to madara.
Naruto needing sasuke to beat madara clearly indicated he would need sasuke to beat obito.
Yet somehow you turn sasuke and naruto being stronger then jin Obito which would render him under half of madara's power, so WTF?

It simply devoid of logic contradiction based on god knows what judgement.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

This is mine. All of their abilities overall.

1- Madara Uchiha
2- Hagoromo Otosuki
3- Obito Uchiha
4- Naruto Uzumaki/Sasuke Uchiha
5- Indra Otosuki/Ashura Otosuki
6- Kaguya Otosuki
7- Kakashi Hatake
8- Shisui Uchiha/Danzo Shimaru
9- Kabuto Yakushi
10- Minato Namikaze

So much fail in this list. I see you put the sons over Kaguya which is BS. We barely know anything about them. The Sage said she is the strongest and that may be hype but it;s true. She has byakugan/sharingan and immense power from the fruit, plus the sons's power orginate from her so yeah. Shisui got fodderized by Danzo with one arm but you're taking KA. How does Kakashi escape that? and why is Minato below Shusui/Danzo he has dark kurama to break him out of it(btw if you are using current conditions, Shusui and Danzo are dead and both of Shusui eyes are destroyed)
Seriously Madara over the Sage -_-. The Sage was a full ten tails jinchuriki and created the moon.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why do you have Hagoromo twice? It'd be easier just to list the current strongest, rather than also adding in their previous incarnations

 

[Klad]

The most shitty top Ten I've ever seen