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[Bogard]

Like others already said teleportation isn't speed because you don't cover distance when you teleport. Speed is S = D/T

S = Speed
D = Distance
T = Time

There can't be speed without a distance to cover or time. When you teleport the distance covered is 0, so is the time. It just instantly swaps your position to another

At this instance for example [

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], notice that bottom left panel when Tobirama teleported with Naruto, nothing changed whether concerning the position of Sasuke or Minato or even the background. Everything was exactly the same during the teleportation. This is instant and nothing can be faster than this

 

[fastrthnwind]

We cannot accurately measure such terms of speed with the little info and feats we have seen, but there are some aspects that can be deduced fairly easily given the information we have been told about the techniques.

Mabuis transportayion techniques is said to move at the speed of light. That is a simple and undeniable fact of the manga about the speed of a technique that has been directly stated to us in terms of factual information and even includes the logic that no human can survive such speeds inside the earths atmosphere due to the massive air friction except for anyone with durability similar to the raikages or possess a healing technique that can be used to counter the damage.

FTG is an instant teleportation technique derived from the concepts of reverse summoming and even further derived from summoning mechanics, which uses s/t concepts of transporting an object through s/t to the summoner/summoning point. This technique is considered instant because it takes literally no time during the transportation process to actually transport the summoned object using this method. Because light actually takes time to reach a certain point, albeit its so minimal that its basically impercievable to almost standard and conventional forms of measurement, this technique when used is comsidered faster than light. It does not take into consideration the will or thought of theuser because we are only talking about the technique by itself as a means of transportation.

Even by personal inference and deductive reasoning we could roughly conclude that Lee during the chuunin exams was moving faster than the speed of sound when he opened four gates and proceeded to thrash gaara around the room.

1) when he punched Gaara, he induced a shockwave so strong that the people watching had to basically brace themselves from the massive debris has was kicking up from the force of his power and speed.

2) judging fom the size of the arena alone we could easily tell that it was a football/soccerball field in length. Lee was literally propelling himself from wall to wall punching gaara all over the place in far less time than he could even percieve. (it takes a average of 0.25 secs for a normal person to even begin to react to anything) Even people with the sharingan and byakugan two founutsu that give reater perception that normal had a VERY hard time trying to keep up with his movements.

In conclusion, we can say that anyone who can move as fast/faster than Lee an in the fourth gate can move faster than the speed of sound.

 

[Mellanoma]

The people claiming FTG is instant and not teleportation clearly did not read...

What I stated was FTG process is instant A to B..

However the point before FTG is initiated is not (Thought process and reaction Determining where to FTG to)

Like others already said teleportation isn't speed because you don't cover distance when you teleport. Speed is S = D/T

S = Speed
D = Distance
T = Time

There can't be speed without a distance to cover or time. When you teleport the distance covered is 0, so is the time. It just instantly swaps your position to another

At this instance for example [

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], notice that bottom left panel when Tobirama teleported with Naruto, nothing changed whether concerning the position of Sasuke or Minato or even the background. Everything was exactly the same during the teleportation. This is instant and nothing can be faster than this

FTG is instant as I have said although the time before it (Him patting naruto back) is not instant. Point I was making was FTG is instant although the prerequisites to use it is not instant.

 

[OG Smoove]

**** math.

 

[fastrthnwind]

The people claiming FTG is instant and not teleportation clearly did not read...

What I stated was FTG process is instant A to B..

However the point before FTG is initiated is not (Thought process and reaction Determining where to FTG to)



FTG is instant as I have said although the time before it (Him patting naruto back) is not instant. Point I was making was FTG is instant although the prerequisites to use it is not instant.

I will quote from my own post:

FTG is an instant teleportation technique derived from the concepts of reverse summoming and even further derived from summoning mechanics, which uses s/t concepts of transporting an object through s/t to the summoner/summoning point. This technique is considered instant because it takes literally no time during the transportation process to actually transport the summoned object using this method. Because light actually takes time to reach a certain point, albeit its so minimal that its basically impercievable to almost standard and conventional forms of measurement, this technique when used is comsidered faster than light. It does not take into consideration the will or thought of theuser because we are only talking about the technique by itself as a means of transportation.

 

[tyltyl]

agreed each show has its own logic. It's not stated anywhere about the actual physics and details of every jutsu

 

[Mellanoma]

I will quote from my own post:

Does not matter.. you not factoring in that time.. I am factoring in that time. So how could you use your own post when your statement is based off of a different perspective

 

[NarutoIndra]

I agree with your mathematical work justifying a more accurate feat. However, using laws of Physics does not work in comics and manga. Many characters have shown to be FTL which isn't supposed to be possible in the first place which refutes your pout of infinite dilation. Some have considered the speed of light 'as fast as a snail' and they were still visibly moving, instead of breaking the time barrier and go into new dimensions. Hence why, laws of physics do not apply.. Moreover, using the idea of 'sound not occurring'=breaking the sound barrier doesn't make sense. As they do not show any visible and audible since the sound barrier is initially broken with a large yet short lasting 'bang' which takes place after lots of pressure has build up on each other. Moreover, sonic waves would be released, which there's no proof of in the manga. Not refuting that they do, just showing concepts do not apply to manga, only mathematically solved work would be considered decently accurate.

 

[PYROVT]

point 1 : totally agree that physics and molecular rearrangement theories along with warp dimensional physics and vibrotorial effects of molecules cannot and shud not be used to determine the acts of speed displayed by fictional characters

point 2 : i undrstand your point of how there will be a certain time used to initiate the jutsu but do we calculate the time taken for thinking into the calculation for obtaining the speed of the jutsu ???? no i dont think so

wheneveer we talk about a jutsu speed we only take in to refrenve the time frame of a - point of initialtion to b - point of termination so i dont think that time consumed for the thought process should be considered

the other thing is i feel that when people compare speed of characters in naruto erse they are bound by distance what i mean to say is that in most cases the objects reach destination even before they reach their topspeed . hence maybe we can determine which character is faster by comparing their acceleration the faster they move if u know what i mean

 

[fastrthnwind]

Does not matter.. you not factoring in that time.. I am factoring in that time. So how could you use your own post when your statement is based off of a different perspective

There is no perspective when referring to the jutsu. you talk about the jutsu ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY. there is not mention of the user because the user is IRRELEVANT to how the jutsu works OTHER THAN to activate said jutsu. which DOES NOT include the users own thoughts.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I agree with your mathematical work justifying a more accurate feat. However, using laws of Physics does not work in comics and manga. Many characters have shown to be FTL which isn't supposed to be possible in the first place which refutes your pout of infinite dilation. Some have considered the speed of light 'as fast as a snail' and they were still visibly moving, instead of breaking the time barrier and go into new dimensions. Hence why, laws of physics do not apply.. Moreover, using the idea of 'sound not occurring'=breaking the sound barrier doesn't make sense. As they do not show any visible and audible since the sound barrier is initially broken with a large yet short lasting 'bang' which takes place after lots of pressure has build up on each other. Moreover, sonic waves would be released, which there's no proof of in the manga. Not refuting that they do, just showing concepts do not apply to manga, only mathematically solved work would be considered decently accurate.

its only relative to a thier own system of physics defined inthe story. Unless conveyed otherwise, standard physics are applicable in all instances that do not involve supernatural intervention.

 

[PYROVT]

There is no perspective when referring to the jutsu. you talk about the jutsu ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY. there is not mention of the user because the user is IRRELEVANT to how the jutsu works OTHER THAN to activate said jutsu. which DOES NOT include the users own thoughts.

totally agree with what u said mate , i dont think its right to factor thinking time coz lets take this example to best display what i think

during chunin exams shikamary waited and prolonged the usage of his jutsu for like 20 min while he was calculating and preparing his next 200 moves

if we factor this time and calculate speed for the distane his shadow covered

then i am sure that i could walk to the other side of a country and have enough time to drink a cup of tea

 

[NarutoIndra]

its only relative to a thier own system of physics defined inthe story. Unless conveyed otherwise, standard physics are applicable in all instances that do not involve supernatural intervention.

Assumption. Several occasions have been against the laws of Physics in Naruto, as in all manga's. Saying Naruto is an exception and has its own law of physics is speculation, considering Kishi is notable for being horrendous in Science. Don't forget he thought Gold was magnetic..

 

[fastrthnwind]

Assumption. Several occasions have been against the laws of Physics in Naruto, as in all manga's. Saying Naruto is an exception and has its own law of physics is speculation, considering Kishi is notable for being horrendous in Science. Don't forget he thought Gold was magnetic..

Kishi has specifically stated that this is a fantasy type of series that involve people/ninjas doing things that ordinary humans cannot do. however, this is based off of a set of standard conventional physics that we use in our world so that we can relate better to it.

also gold is not magnetic but it can be given a magnetic field like with any other object by placing it into one.

gaaras dad specifically has the ability to turn bis chakra into magnetic energy to create magnetic field on objects.

 

[Yo pappy]

@OP: As far as individuals with the ability to move at the speed of light (and beyond) goes I've always wondered how they are even able to land strikes on one another considering light is not solid. Theoretically speaking they would have to come to a grinding halt (hypersonic ranges perhaps?) just before reaching their target in order to be able to cause any damage. Otherwise it would be no different than someone pointing a flashlight at you. Unless of course the user can gain vast amounts of relativistic mass in a short period of time, and convert it to create a wave of sorts, in which case you would need a lot of f*cking light. But then again I don't know jack shit about physics, so there's that.

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[GrayParadise]

Just saying, Madara and Hashirama are in the Mach 140 range. Naruto by scaling would be far above that. Juubito is higher than that.​

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[Aya San]

I see P3IN do these calculations a lot

And 1 stupid question: does trvelling faster than light means u can't see shit? Cause the light has to travel to ur eye for u to see rite, now ur outrunning the light itself?

 

[Rainbow Dash]

FTG does not use velocity, therefore it isn't really considered speed.

 

[Powermill]

Yaah math I heart math.

 

[Mellanoma]

Pretty much. to the victim/opponent during the entire process nothing would change everything will seem 'frozen'. Imagine someone shining a flashlight in your face. For those photons to reach your eyes it takes time but to you eat seems like its just there. Now replace these photons with a body; as weird as that sounds. Say the light turns on as soon as the ninja starts moving. You would be dead before you realize that the light was turned on since he would be moving 'faster than light'. The ninja would reach you before the photons of the flashlight did.

However FTG is instant like Zaru said so the terms speed and velocity do not apply. The only thing that applies is the time it takes for the users brain to process the action of casting FTG.

Exactly what I was saying + r e p

I see P3IN do these calculations a lot

And 1 stupid question: does trvelling faster than light means u can't see shit? Cause the light has to travel to ur eye for u to see rite, now ur outrunning the light itself?

Well, unless your running to the edge of the universe where there is no light to run into then you will still be moving towards light if your moving towards an object that omits it. Funny thing is though at the speed of light you are outside the Time barrier meaning you will seem to be moving normally but the world around you could possibly be moving thousands of years.