I've highlighted the important part. No, we can't judge, which means there is no real evidence for your claim. Mine has evidence, and that's the problem for you here.
Look, I agree, Gaara is fast, I've said so elsewhere. I think he'd solo the 3 non-Onoki Kage quite handily. That said, it's a long, long way from being able to argue Deidara is close to fast enough to react to Tsunade. Even Gaara's big sand speed feats of blocking A's foot, and catching the Raikage, aren't great arguments, because neither was necessarily going at anything like full speed when that happened. Likewise, let's assume Gaara is faster than the Raikage (he isn't at full speed, though with all the sand defences he has by the time Raikage powers up it won't matter). So what? We don't know any of the important info that would allow that to translate to help Deidara:
- was Gaara's sand moving at full speed?
- how far away was the sand when it went for Deidara?
- Deidara already had an escape vehicle waiting for him to jump on to get away Right after Deidara "gets away" he gets his hand crushed by Gaara... so much for his great reaction speed. And he even tells us, he got caught because Gaara was using his "faster" sand (from his gourd), so before Gaara assumedly was using slower normal sand. None of this helps Deidara's cause.
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Yes, Tsunade is slower than A... full speed A... but again, that doesn't lead to the conclusion that Deidara is fast, because of the above problems.
Huh? Firstly, the fight specified 30 feet between them, not 30 m's. Secondly, I don't see how your physics above helps. Tsunade is slowed down in her jump... she won't be when she jumps horizontally (not vertically) right at Deidara's point blonde head (unrestrained by hundreds and hundreds of tonnes of weight). I don't understand your argument. If Tsunade wanted to jump 100 feet forward, how long do you think it would take her to reach her target?
No, Naruto dodged it because he was in Sage mode, and that let him sense his attack coming early and respond to it (Jedi style). Deidara doesn't have that, so he can't do it.
As for the Databook, you won't have to look at my post history for long to get an idea of what I think about it. It's trash, and should never be the basis of a serious argument. It's also full of horrible inconsistencies, my favourite being Itachi and Oro both getting the same rating for Genjutsu. Seriously, don't care what the databook says (and even if I did, for all we know his "speed" is factoring in his speed while mounted, which is definitely good, unlike his normal speed, which is definitely crap).
You should investigate the advantage's of Raiton no Yoroi before making silly claims as the first bold. On the second bold we see how bad you comparison skills are, comparing a gound level deidara to one falling in the air. On the 3rd bold. When you realize that projectile motion is still affected by gravity downwards and that the horizontal length of her jump depends on her maximum height, come at me again. On the fourth bold,
Oh, you believe the databook? Perhaps you can explain to me how Itachi and Oro are equal in genjutsu then, despite the fact they clearly are not.
I can see you're desperately trying to run because your argument isn't sustainable. Nice try though.
PS- I assumed you were referring to Naruto dodging the 3rd Raikage. I don't know how this example helps you. Naruto dodges because he is faster than Raikage, his "linear motion" has nothing to do with it.
Oh, you believe the databook? Perhaps you can explain to me how Itachi and Oro are equal in genjutsu then, despite the fact they clearly are not.
I can see you're desperately trying to run because your argument isn't sustainable. Nice try though.
PS- I assumed you were referring to Naruto dodging the 3rd Raikage. I don't know how this example helps you. Naruto dodges because he is faster than Raikage, his "linear motion" has nothing to do with it.
Ok, sure, the Databook's wrong, Tsunade can blitz someone 30 meters away, and everyone who gets tired of debating with you and your retarded way of thinking is desperately trying to get away because no one can fight your great logic, which frankly, barely a single person has agreed with (seriously, I don't remember seeing a single person ever actually agreeing with you)
Hey, I've got them all in the same tier from 4-10. I just feel Itachi has a few too many weapons to be below them (though in some ways he is inferior and less versatile). I haven't seen much of a response to the arguments in the recent Itachi v.s Nagato thread, except for people saying it's "not fair" that Itachi gets Koto. Well, he has it, so too bad.
Anytime you want to defend the Oro/Itachi genjutsu rating in the databook, you go ahead. And I note your stunning silence.
Hey, I've got them all in the same tier from 4-10. I just feel Itachi has a few too many weapons to be below them (though in some ways he is inferior and less versatile). I haven't seen much of a response to the arguments in the recent Itachi v.s Nagato thread, except for people saying it's "not fair" that Itachi gets Koto. Well, he has it, so too bad.
Anytime you want to defend the Oro/Itachi genjutsu rating in the databook, you go ahead. And I note your stunning silence.
By that logic, you should also have Shisui and Danzo in the top 5, and weirdly I didn't notice them there...
And oh lord, this should be obvious...Oro has a 5 because he's very versatile in Genjutsu, and Itachi has it because there isn't a higher number than 5. Oro definitely deserves a 5, but it's evident that Itachi is arguably the best Genjutsu user But what should Kishi do ? Give Itachi a higher grade than 5 ? Lower everyone's stat because they're not as good as Itachi ? No, obviously not...
I have Danzo and Shi Sui from 11-15. You can read about why if you go to the thread.
As for the databook justification, ridiculous. So Oro gets a 5 for being "versatile", but Itachi gets a 5 for being "good". Maybe we should apply the same logic to all the numbers. Deidara gets a good speed rating because he is "versatile" with his speed, while Tsunade's lower score doesn't make her slower, just less "versatile". Maybe what "Kishi" should have done (because Kishi doesn't write the databooks himself, he has input, but has a company of people to do this sort of grunt work) was let people get more than 5. In reality the reason the scores suck is because as the manga went on Kishi changed his mind about alot of stuff, and took a new direction for the story (for instance, Hiruzen get retconned into a far weaker character, and many more powerful shinobi appeared). Unfortunately the editors didn't want to change the old scores, because it would invalidate all the old databooks, so the old (wrong) scores must stay the same (like Oro's 5 genjutsu ranking), and characters have to be ranked on a scale that in no way reflects the differences that exist between them.
If the numbers aren't a consistent metric (and they clearly aren't), then they're meaningless as a means of separating the characters. You can't say "look, Deidara got a 4.5" and use it to hype him, if the numbers aren't always accurate.
I have Danzo and Shi Sui from 11-15. You can read about why if you go to the thread.
As for the databook justification, ridiculous. So Oro gets a 5 for being "versatile", but Itachi gets a 5 for being "good". Maybe we should apply the same logic to all the numbers. Deidara gets a good speed rating because he is "versatile" with his speed, while Tsunade's lower score doesn't make her slower, just less "versatile". Maybe what "Kishi" should have done (because Kishi doesn't write the databooks himself, he has input, but has a company of people to do this sort of grunt work) was let people get more than 5. In reality the reason the scores suck is because as the manga went on Kishi changed his mind about alot of stuff, and took a new direction for the story (for instance, Hiruzen get retconned into a far weaker character, and many more powerful shinobi appeared). Unfortunately the editors didn't want to change the old scores, because it would invalidate all the old databooks, so the old (wrong) scores must stay the same (like Oro's 5 genjutsu ranking), and characters have to be ranked on a scale that in no way reflects the differences that exist between them.
If the numbers aren't a consistent metric (and they clearly aren't), then they're meaningless as a means of separating the characters. You can't say "look, Deidara got a 4.5" and use it to hype him, if the numbers aren't always accurate.
And is there anything that confirms any of the stuff you said ? What do you know about whether Kishi writes it or not ?
And you clearly didn't read my explanation, not that I was expecting much. However, this will be my last post, I've had more than enough of your nonsense, and frankly, I'm tired of trying to debate with someone who considers his own logic to be above anyone else, and accuses everyone who disagrees with him (Which frankly, is almost anyone), of fanboyism.
Your usual MO. Run when beaten in an argument. You criticised me for daring to dispute the databook scores, and then you concede the databook scores aren't a consistent measurement (so in effect, useless). I'm not the one looking bad here.
Alright then, ItachiStyle, who weirdly enough happens to consider Itachi to be above Obito, Nagato, and Naruto
