Deidara vs Tsunade

[ItachiStyle]

The ability to jump high, isnt speed nor does it make you fast.

The ability to react fast enough to jump 100 feet in the air and deflect a bunch of Katon's before anyone else can move to do so is most definitely a speed feat.

The ability to jump hundreds of feet in the air in less than a second, while being weighed down by several hundred tonnes at least, is a feat for how quickly you can cover a short distance. You can talk about how she was helped by her super calf muscles (and I'm sure she was), but those are the same muscles she'll be using to spring off the ground and right into Deidara, so it's not like it matters. In addition, she clearly needed amazing reaction speed, awareness, timing, etc, to be able to pull off a move like that. Manda is moving at full bite right at Bunta, and she's fast enough to follow his movements while moving hundreds of feet through the air in a second. There are some characters who are merely fast, but unable to react at the same speed they can move, Tsunade clearly isn't one of them.

If tsunade hit Manda before he closed his mouth, it can only mean that either:

-> Manda's bite was delayed because he was still coming out of the ground (wouldn't make sense).
-> The force tsunade thrust downward + the force of gravity, doubled the speed causing her to get there in time (most possible case).

Or that Tsunade is really fast, which is the obvious conclusion, rather than the first conclusion (which you admit makes no sense), and the 2nd (which defies everything we know about gravity, and still doesn't explain how Tsunade was able to move hundreds off feet into the air against the force of gravity, weighed down by a giant sword (unless you know, she's ridiculously strong and fast, since all this is happening in a matter of seconds).

Speed comes nowhere into play here being that both panels are connecting the same incident at different angles.

It's bizarre for you to dismiss the scans as not being relevant to speed. How do you think she got hundreds of meters into the air in time unless she can propel herself hundreds of feet into the air in the time it took for her to see Manda busting out of the ground (which would be what, 1 second warning?).

Your attempts to try and claim this isn't "speed" but something else misses the point entirely. The point is this.
In the time it took Manda to unexpectedly bust out of the ground and close his mouth Tsunade was able to:
- See what Manda was doing
- Grab a giant knife and hurl it hundreds of feet into the air
- jump hundreds of feet into the air with the knife
- Aim that knife
- Hurl it down with incredible speed
- Slam Manda's jaw shut
- Land.
If she can do all that in a few seconds, it's hard to believe she can't bridge the gap between herself and Deidara in a few seconds tops (just leap right at the guy). There is no logical explanation for why she can leap hundreds of feet into the air against gravity while weighed down by hundreds of tonnes (which further slows her) in a second, but can't jump towards Deidara who is standing 30 feet away in a second (while not working against gravity, and not being slowed down carrying hundreds of tonnes). Whether it's "speed" or velocity or whatever, the fact remains Deidara should be dead several seconds into the fight.

 

[Tazzilla88]

While I agree Deidara would win this battle, I would've suggested rather than Tsunade being higher than C4 that she turn more chakra into electricity. She has a rather high amount of chakra, and whether or not it qualifies as a ration is arguable. What is not really arguable though is the effect the electricity would have on those clay bombs deactivating them. The problem in such a solution is Tsunade would need to know the effects of C4 ahead of time.

 

[Waltz]

The ability to react fast enough to jump 100 feet in the air and deflect a bunch of Katon's before anyone else can move to do so is most definitely a speed feat.

The ability to jump hundreds of feet in the air in less than a second, while being weighed down by several hundred tonnes at least, is a feat for how quickly you can cover a short distance. You can talk about how she was helped by her super calf muscles (and I'm sure she was), but those are the same muscles she'll be using to spring off the ground and right into Deidara, so it's not like it matters. In addition, she clearly needed amazing reaction speed, awareness, timing, etc, to be able to pull off a move like that. Manda is moving at full bite right at Bunta, and she's fast enough to follow his movements while moving hundreds of feet through the air in a second. There are some characters who are merely fast, but unable to react at the same speed they can move, Tsunade clearly isn't one of them.


Or that Tsunade is really fast, which is the obvious conclusion, rather than the first conclusion (which you admit makes no sense), and the 2nd (which defies everything we know about gravity, and still doesn't explain how Tsunade was able to move hundreds off feet into the air against the force of gravity, weighed down by a giant sword (unless you know, she's ridiculously strong and fast, since all this is happening in a matter of seconds).



It's bizarre for you to dismiss the scans as not being relevant to speed. How do you think she got hundreds of meters into the air in time unless she can propel herself hundreds of feet into the air in the time it took for her to see Manda busting out of the ground (which would be what, 1 second warning?).

Your attempts to try and claim this isn't "speed" but something else misses the point entirely. The point is this.
In the time it took Manda to unexpectedly bust out of the ground and close his mouth Tsunade was able to:
- See what Manda was doing
- Grab a giant knife and hurl it hundreds of feet into the air
- jump hundreds of feet into the air with the knife
- Aim that knife
- Hurl it down with incredible speed
- Slam Manda's jaw shut
- Land.
If she can do all that in a few seconds, it's hard to believe she can't bridge the gap between herself and Deidara in a few seconds tops (just leap right at the guy). There is no logical explanation for why she can leap hundreds of feet into the air against gravity while weighed down by hundreds of tonnes (which further slows her) in a second, but can't jump towards Deidara who is standing 30 feet away in a second (while not working against gravity, and not being slowed down carrying hundreds of tonnes). Whether it's "speed" or velocity or whatever, the fact remains Deidara should be dead several seconds into the fight.

Speed of movement is usually tied up in most people’s understanding of “explosive training strength”, and both of those terms get conflated with “power” a term that is so misused. Power requires us to talk about a slightly different concept: work, which can be thought of as how far a given force moves an object which is basically what we see tsunade doing this these scans (Throwing the kunai; Jumping in Byakugo -which increases her overall explosive strength). Speed on the other hand is a purely external property that is, it’s only relevant to the object being the object being moved. Effectively, Tsunade's explosive strength is an “internal” or muscular value; it applies only to what’s happening within your muscles as they work to produce force against the external object (like the kunai; her body). In that sense, power does produce speed (which is part of your argument i can agree to).

What i disagree with however is that you are implying that tsunade has maneuverability feats (able to be maneuvered easily while in motion) While she is using theses speeds. Maneuverability is detrimental to dodging Deidara's bombs and she does not possess such feats.

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is a perfecect example of maneuverability at high speeds. Also to note, tsunade can only jump that high because of byakugo's enhancement of her regular muscle output.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Speed of movement is usually tied up in most people’s understanding of “explosive training strength”, and both of those terms get conflated with “power” a term that is so misused. Power requires us to talk about a slightly different concept: work, which can be thought of as how far a given force moves an object which is basically what we see tsunade doing this these scans (Throwing the kunai; Jumping in Byakugo -which increases her overall explosive strength). Speed on the other hand is a purely external property that is, it’s only relevant to the object being the object being moved. Effectively, Tsunade's explosive strength is an “internal” or muscular value; it applies only to what’s happening within your muscles as they work to produce force against the external object (like the kunai; her body). In that sense, power does produce speed (which is part of your argument i can agree to).

Not one thing you typed bears any relevance to the question at hand, namely "can Tsunade cover the gap between herself and Deidara before Deidara can attack". The answer is clearly yes, since she can cover hundreds of feet in a second easily as is, despite obstacles like gravity slowing her down. Deidara will be 30 feet in front of her. Whether you call that speed or something else, the outcome is the same- Deidara getting his head punched off 1-2 seconds into the fight.

What i disagree with however is that you are implying that tsunade has maneuverability feats (able to be maneuvered easily while in motion) While she is using theses speeds. Maneuverability is detrimental to dodging Deidara's bombs and she does not possess such feats.

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is a perfecect example of maneuverability at high speeds. Also to note, tsunade can only jump that high because%

While those scans (and others) certainly do show that Tsunade has good maneuverability, that is irrelevant to this argument. She does not need manueverability, because if she can cover hundreds of feet distance in a second, she will have no trouble covering the 30 feet distance the opening post specified Deidara was standing from her, and punching his head off about 1 second into the fight... fight over. She has no need to dodge at all, the fight won't last that long. Not one thing you have typed seems to have any relevance to this point, which has been repeated several times now.

 

[Edo Odin]

Not one thing you typed bears any relevance to the question at hand, namely "can Tsunade cover the gap between herself and Deidara before Deidara can attack". The answer is clearly yes, since she can cover hundreds of feet in a second easily as is, despite obstacles like gravity slowing her down. Deidara will be 30 feet in front of her. Whether you call that speed or something else, the outcome is the same- Deidara getting his head punched off 1-2 seconds into the fight.

What i disagree with however is that you are implying that tsunade has maneuverability feats (able to be maneuvered easily while in motion) While she is using theses speeds. Maneuverability is detrimental to dodging Deidara's bombs and she does not possess such feats.

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is a perfecect example of maneuverability at high speeds. Also to note, tsunade can only jump that high because%

You must be joking. If Tsunade jumps at him when in the air, the last thing he'll do is stand still. The speed on his bird was enough to evade Gaara's Sand, there's no way Tsunade will get to him bu jumping.

 

[ItachiStyle]

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I say Deidara wins, anyone wanna debate ?

Making four of these, as I saw a lot of people state that Tsunade beats Sasori, Deidara, Kisame and Kakuzu, and am really in the mood for a debate

Here's your OP. Notice it does not describe Deidara as flying far off in the distance. It puts Deidara at 30 feet away from Tsunade, assumedly on the ground (not that it matters really from that distance). If Tsunade can cover hundreds of feet in a second, how long do you think it'll take her to cover the 30 feet between her and Deidara (who let's remember, has no real speed feats, especially unmounted, and is pretty crap at close range fighting, with mediocre reaction times compared to Tsunade's awesome ones). He'll have his head punched off 2 seconds in.

And before you tell us all about how adapt at dodging Deidara is while mounted (which he is not in this scenario), let's remember his dodging was from a distance much greater than 30 m's away, so he has time to react accordingly. In general Deidara's reaction time is crap. Tsunade's is such she can perform all the listed tasks (while travelling hundreds of meters through the air) in what must be at most a few seconds. Deidara will be dead instantly.

 

[Edo Odin]

Here's your OP. Notice it does not describe Deidara as flying far off in the distance. It puts Deidara at 30 feet away from Tsunade, assumedly on the ground (not that it matters really from that distance). If Tsunade can cover hundreds of feet in a second, how long do you think it'll take her to cover the 30 feet between her and Deidara (who let's remember, has no real speed feats, especially unmounted, and is pretty crap at close range fighting, with mediocre reaction times compared to Tsunade's awesome ones). He'll have his head punched off 2 seconds in.

And before you tell us all about how adapt at dodging Deidara is while mounted (which he is not in this scenario), let's remember his dodging was from a distance much greater than 30 m's away, so he has time to react accordingly. In general Deidara's reaction time is crap. Tsunade's is such she can perform all the listed tasks (while travelling hundreds of meters through the air) in what must be at most a few seconds. Deidara will be dead instantly.

You, like a lot of people, underrate Deidara's speed. *Reposting a couple of comments from my debate with PDG*

Well, I must say that I do think you are underrating Deidara's speed and evasion prowess, both on the ground and when in the air. [

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] (Lmao, the translators thought Deidara was a chick xd) I don't see him getting hit by an attack from Tsunade, neither on the ground nor in the air, we even saw that an armless Orochimaru and part one Kabuto had little trouble getting into safe distance. [

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] (We can even see how short the distance was between her and Oro when she was in the air, which points to the attack relying more on power than speed) I doubt someone like Deidara is getting hit by that kick, especially when he's airborne, as we've seen before that his Clay summons tend to be quite fast.

Deidara was able to avoid Sasuke's hit from a pretty close range, your comment on him not being able to defend against Tsunade, who's only speed feat is to "blitz" something as huge as the Susanoo of Madara. He managed to dodge Sasuke, Tsunade is not hitting him.

Also, you seem to be forgetting the fact that it doesn't take long time for Deidara to make a Clay Bird at all. He'd be out and up in the air in a short time.

 

[ItachiStyle]

As long as "a short time" is more than 1 second, he's dead.

Those are good feats for Oro and Kabuto, not bad feats for Tsunade. Kabuto in part 1 was good enough to fight Kakashi hand to hand, and Oro is Oro. There's every reason to think they've got good hand to hand skills. Deidara on the other hand has shown us nothing of the sort, and he doesn't just get granted it because it suits your argument. Add to this, Tsunade was intentionally driving them away from the town to reduce the risk of innocents getting hurt.

Deidara without being mounted on his bird has really nothing showings for reflexes and evasion. He was easily punked by Gai's team hand to hand, and runs from hand to hand fights (very sensibly). Do you have evidence that he can react in less than the second it'll take Tsunade to punch his head off? No? Then your argument has no legs. And I mean actual scans and evidence, not "I doubt it because some other faster character was able to survive a fight with Tsunade".

 

[Edo Odin]

As long as "a short time" is more than 1 second, he's dead.

Those are good feats for Oro and Kabuto, not bad feats for Tsunade. Kabuto in part 1 was good enough to fight Kakashi hand to hand, and Oro is Oro. There's every reason to think they've got good hand to hand skills. Deidara on the other hand has shown us nothing of the sort, and he doesn't just get granted it because it suits your argument. Add to this, Tsunade was intentionally driving them away from the town to reduce the risk of innocents getting hurt.

Deidara without being mounted on his bird has really nothing showings for reflexes and evasion. He was easily punked by Gai's team hand to hand, and runs from hand to hand fights (very sensibly). Do you have evidence that he can react in less than the second it'll take Tsunade to punch his head off? No? Then your argument has no legs. And I mean actual scans and evidence, not "I doubt it because some other faster character was able to survive a fight with Tsunade".

I can't believe you actually think Tsunade can pass a 30 meter distance in a single second...

1) Tsunade is slower than Sasuke
2) The distance between Tsunade and Deidara is greater than it was between Sasuke and Deidara

It should be clear that Deidara can avoid Tsunade's "Decapitating punch strategy"

Even if Tsunade was trying to keep other people safe, the fact still stands that her blow from a short range was dodged by an armless Orochimaru and part 1 Kabuto.

Deidara has shown good reflexes and evasion, if you had checked out the pages I posted you'd see that.

And LMAO, I can't believe you're bringing up the Gai fight. Deidara was armless and was still doing good in evading the attacks of them all.

 

[Waltz]

Not one thing you typed bears any relevance to the question at hand, namely "can Tsunade cover the gap between herself and Deidara before Deidara can attack". The answer is clearly yes, since she can cover hundreds of feet in a second easily as is, despite obstacles like gravity slowing her down. Deidara will be 30 feet in front of her. Whether you call that speed or something else, the outcome is the same- Deidara getting his head punched off 1-2 seconds into the fight.



While those scans (and others) certainly do show that Tsunade has good maneuverability, that is irrelevant to this argument. She does not need manueverability, because if she can cover hundreds of feet distance in a second, she will have no trouble covering the 30 feet distance the opening post specified Deidara was standing from her, and punching his head off about 1 second into the fight... fight over. She has no need to dodge at all, the fight won't last that long. Not one thing you have typed seems to have any relevance to this point, which has been repeated several times now.

Please indicate this maneuverability as you said is noted in your scans. Also as i stated prior, Tsunade only possesses that feat while in Byakugo, which is not her base power or speed. Deidara is capable of dodging gaara's high speed sand on the ground, he'd have no issues dodging tsunade even if she tried something like that. Your points are refutable.

 

[Chatte]

Please indicate this maneuverability as you said is noted in your scans. Also as i stated prior, Tsunade only possesses that feat while in Byakugo, which is not her base power or speed. Deidara is capable of dodging gaara's high speed sand on the ground, he'd have no issues dodging tsunade even if she tried something like that. Your points are refutable.

Sorry, wrong. Byakugo is only connected to her healing abilities. It doesn't boost speed or anything else.
The reason why I said she might survive is that Katsuyu can cover her. Deidara's ultimate attack killed indeed Manda, but Katsuyu has resisted to a greater damage.
Daamn, why don't I have time to debate moore? :T_T: I miss those times.
Anyway just jumped in to clear that. ^^

 

[ItachiStyle]

I can't believe you actually think Tsunade can pass a 30 meter distance in a single second...

I know she can, because we saw her cover a far greater distance in a few seconds of time (and with more obstacles, like gravity, and carrying hundreds of tonnes). If you wish to provide an alternative analysis of the Manda scan, feel free. I don't know about you, but it only takes me a second or less to snap my jaw shut, but perhaps you think it takes Manda considerably longer.

1) Tsunade is slower than Sasuke
2) The distance between Tsunade and Deidara is greater than it was between Sasuke and Deidara

a) You have no evidence Tsunade is slower/faster than Sasuke.
b) Sasuke has super quick response times thanks to the sharingan, so yeh, he can respond frickin quick even to guys like the Raikage,
c) What does that have to do with anything, given there are no scans suggesting Deidara was outspeeding Sasuke, etc... Sasuke wasn't bloodlusted, or within 30 feet most of the fight, rather he just kept letting him live so he could ask him "where's my brother". Tsunade will just leap at the guy and punch his head off.

Even if Tsunade was trying to keep other people safe, the fact still stands that her blow from a short range was dodged by an armless Orochimaru and part 1 Kabuto.

Deidara has shown good reflexes and evasion, if you had checked out the pages I posted you'd see that.

Quote me the exact page/s which show his reaction time (without being mounted), which suggest he can respond to Tsunade charging him. Repeating that faster guys who are better at hand to hand can do it (against a non-bloodlusted Tsunade trying to drive them from the town) is irrelevant.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Please indicate this maneuverability as you said is noted in your scans. Also as i stated prior, Tsunade only possesses that feat while in Byakugo, which is not her base power or speed. Deidara is capable of dodging gaara's high speed sand on the ground, he'd have no issues dodging tsunade even if she tried something like that. Your points are refutable.

There is no evidence Byakugo has anything whatever to do with her strength and speed, it's just about healing. And she wasn't using Byakugo v.s Manda, so there goes that theory. Deidara was mounted and at a long, long distance when he fought Gaara (and didn't exactly get away clean either). This is from 30 feet on the ground! What evidence do you have Deidara can dodge Tsunade, in light of her proven ability to move hundreds of feet against gravity (while weighed down by hundreds of tonnes) in a few seconds?

 

[Edo Odin]

I know she can, because we saw her cover a far greater distance in a few seconds of time (and with more obstacles, like gravity, and carrying hundreds of tonnes). If you wish to provide an alternative analysis of the Manda scan, feel free. I don't know about you, but it only takes me a second or less to snap my jaw shut, but perhaps you think it takes Manda considerably longer.

a) You have no evidence Tsunade is slower/faster than Sasuke.
b) Sasuke has super quick response times thanks to the sharingan, so yeh, he can respond frickin quick even to guys like the Raikage,
c) What does that have to do with anything, given there are no scans suggesting Deidara was outspeeding Sasuke, etc... Sasuke wasn't bloodlusted, or within 30 feet most of the fight, rather he just kept letting him live so he could ask him "where's my brother". Tsunade will just leap at the guy and punch his head off.


Quote me the exact page/s which show his reaction time (without being mounted), which suggest he can respond to Tsunade charging him. Repeating that faster guys who are better at hand to hand can do it (against a non-bloodlusted Tsunade trying to drive them from the town) is irrelevant.

I'm just going to say it, judging by your posts, you must be, at least, half retarded. It has become apparent that trying to debate with you is close to pointless, and I don't feel like wasting more time of my life trying to convince you. If you think that Tsunade wins, with her "immense speed feat" of attacking an off guard Manda, feel free. I'm out.

 

[ItachiStyle]

And you strike me as desperately trying to cling to the moral high ground while running away, because you're losing this debate.

Provide me your alternative timeline on the manda incident, please. How many seconds would you say Tsunade did all that stuff in, and why would we imagine it'll take her anything more than a second or so to bridge a 30 foot distance?

 

[Waltz]

Sorry, wrong. Byakugo is only connected to her healing abilities. It doesn't boost speed or anything else.
The reason why I said she might survive is that Katsuyu can cover her. Deidara's ultimate attack killed indeed Manda, but Katsuyu has resisted to a greater damage.
Daamn, why don't I have time to debate moore? :T_T: I miss those times.
Anyway just jumped in to clear that. ^^

True, My bad Chatte. The sole reason Tsunade can't beat Deidara is C4, which i plan to counter sometime in the future :zonder:

There is no evidence Byakugo has anything whatever to do with her strength and speed, it's just about healing. And she wasn't using Byakugo v.s Manda, so there goes that theory. Deidara was mounted and at a long, long distance when he fought Gaara (and didn't exactly get away clean either). This is from 30 feet on the ground! What evidence do you have Deidara can dodge Tsunade, in light of her proven ability to move hundreds of feet against gravity (while weighed down by hundreds of tonnes) in a few seconds?

Evidence that tsunade's method of blitzing doesn't work the way your trying to it? that she could just simply blitz deidara and punch his head off?

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the manga carefully you will realize that these two individuals have dodged Gaara's high speed sand with their base speed on the ground.

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, which is vastly superior to any speed feat Tsunade can archive or has shown. Deidara easily evaded this, its clear now that your claims are mere over exaggeration.

 

[Curse Mark]

I know she can, because we saw her cover a far greater distance in a few seconds of time (and with more obstacles, like gravity, and carrying hundreds of tonnes). If you wish to provide an alternative analysis of the Manda scan, feel free. I don't know about you, but it only takes me a second or less to snap my jaw shut, but perhaps you think it takes Manda considerably longer.


a) You have no evidence Tsunade is slower/faster than Sasuke.
b) Sasuke has super quick response times thanks to the sharingan, so yeh, he can respond frickin quick even to guys like the Raikage,
c) What does that have to do with anything, given there are no scans suggesting Deidara was outspeeding Sasuke, etc... Sasuke wasn't bloodlusted, or within 30 feet most of the fight, rather he just kept letting him live so he could ask him "where's my brother". Tsunade will just leap at the guy and punch his head off.


Quote me the exact page/s which show his reaction time (without being mounted), which suggest he can respond to Tsunade charging him. Repeating that faster guys who are better at hand to hand can do it (against a non-bloodlusted Tsunade trying to drive them from the town) is irrelevant.

You aren't a snake. Using yourself in this argument was odd, a terrible analogy, and just a bad idea. No evidence she's slower? Check the data book, man. Nice try though. We're not talking about response speed, we're talking about closing the distance between them. There isn't anything called bloodlusted. It's not a thing except for like, Jugo. AND HE ALREADY PROVIDED THE PAGE WHEN HE WAS ON THE TREE BRANCH AND STOPPED SASUKE'S ATTACK. IGNORANCEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Sorry, wrong. Byakugo is only connected to her healing abilities. It doesn't boost speed or anything else.
The reason why I said she might survive is that Katsuyu can cover her. Deidara's ultimate attack killed indeed Manda, but Katsuyu has resisted to a greater damage.
Daamn, why don't I have time to debate moore? :T_T: I miss those times.
Anyway just jumped in to clear that. ^^

It can be assumed it helped her. It regenerates cells, including muscle cells, which keeps her muscles performing WAY OVER their normal limits. Enhancing her jumping capabilites.
Check.

While I agree Deidara would win this battle, I would've suggested rather than Tsunade being higher than C4 that she turn more chakra into electricity. She has a rather high amount of chakra, and whether or not it qualifies as a ration is arguable. What is not really arguable though is the effect the electricity would have on those clay bombs deactivating them. The problem in such a solution is Tsunade would need to know the effects of C4 ahead of time.

No real evidence she has raiton or is skilled enough to use it that way. And no way of noticing the bombs.

Here's your OP. Notice it does not describe Deidara as flying far off in the distance. It puts Deidara at 30 feet away from Tsunade, assumedly on the ground (not that it matters really from that distance). If Tsunade can cover hundreds of feet in a second, how long do you think it'll take her to cover the 30 feet between her and Deidara (who let's remember, has no real speed feats, especially unmounted, and is pretty crap at close range fighting, with mediocre reaction times compared to Tsunade's awesome ones). He'll have his head punched off 2 seconds in.

And before you tell us all about how adapt at dodging Deidara is while mounted (which he is not in this scenario), let's remember his dodging was from a distance much greater than 30 m's away, so he has time to react accordingly. In general Deidara's reaction time is crap. Tsunade's is such she can perform all the listed tasks (while travelling hundreds of meters through the air) in what must be at most a few seconds. Deidara will be dead instantly.

Provide scans she can cover 30 meters in less than the instant it takes for deidara to jump backwards, create the bird, and fly spiraling away into the air.

Here's your OP. Notice it does not describe Deidara as flying far off in the distance. It puts Deidara at 30 feet away from Tsunade, assumedly on the ground (not that it matters really from that distance). If Tsunade can cover hundreds of feet in a second, how long do you think it'll take her to cover the 30 feet between her and Deidara (who let's remember, has no real speed feats, especially unmounted, and is pretty crap at close range fighting, with mediocre reaction times compared to Tsunade's awesome ones). He'll have his head punched off 2 seconds in.

And before you tell us all about how adapt at dodging Deidara is while mounted (which he is not in this scenario), let's remember his dodging was from a distance much greater than 30 m's away, so he has time to react accordingly. In general Deidara's reaction time is crap. Tsunade's is such she can perform all the listed tasks (while travelling hundreds of meters through the air) in what must be at most a few seconds. Deidara will be dead instantly.

Provide scans she can cover 30 meters in less than the instant it takes for deidara to jump backwards, create the bird, and fly spiraling away into the air.

 

[ItachiStyle]

The Manga speaks for itself. If you examine the manga carefully you will realize that these two individuals have dodged Gaara's high speed sand with their base speed on the ground. Deidara and Madara. Given the distance he was, Gaara's sand is even faster than Enton Kagatsuchi at point blank range, which is vastly superior to any speed feat Tsunade can archive or has shown. Deidara easily evaded this, its clear now that your claims are mere over exaggeration.

I have literally no idea what those scans are supposed to prove, so clearly they don't "speak for themselves", res ipsa loquitur fail. Did you even read my posts? Deidara doesn't start on a mount far away, he is 30 feet away in the ground. He can't summon anything in 1 second, which is how long it'll take Tsunade to be on him... what's he going to do? Pull a face at Tsunade as she gets the jump on him and punches his head off?

Looking at the Gaara scans, I'll be generous and make the following observations for you:
1) You haven't established a baseline speed for Gaara's sand which suggests it is comparable to the speed established for Tsunade's high end speed. One difficulty you'll run into is Gaara's sand doesn't seem to have a consistent speed, and there is no point of reference to measure it next to (for instance, the time it takes someone very fast to shut their jaw).
2) The distance is unclear from the perseptive of the the scans, we don't know how far away Gaara's sand was
3) Deidara can dodge because he already has a flying creature right next to him to jump on. Once mounted, Deidara has excellent speed... except he does not start the fight with a mount right next to him and ready to go. You haven't proven Deidara can summon a mount in the 1 second it'll take Tsunade to be on top of him.

Tsunade has proven that in a few seconds she can: a) sense the threat, b) cover hundreds and hundreds of feet against the force of gravity, while c) carrying an object weighing hundreds of tonnes, then d) aim that object, e) throw that object at someone who is moving very fast, and f) land. That's multitasking. Even if Deidara is reactive enough to a) sense danger, and b) start moving, Tsunade has shown above that she can react to those things. Manda was moving, and she has no trouble adjusting her aim perfectly. The distance she is travelling is vastly greater than the distance Deidara can cover in 1-2 seconds, even if Deidara starts to move, she'll still have heaps of time to catch him, and can react as he's doing it (not that Deidara has shown he can move very fast, certainly nothing compared to Tsunade). Plus during all this you want Deidara to form seals and summon a creature (which he has to expand first), then jump on it and escape... in 1-2 seconds? Absurd, and no feats are suggestive of him being able to do this at all. Tsunade moved through the air 100 feet and batted away Katon's faster than Mei could form a single seal jutsu... no way Deidara is fast enough to do all these things.

Heck, Tsunade doesn't need to move at all... she can throw a pebble at Deidara at this distance, and he has no time to do anything... even if he is fast enough to begin to dodge, which hasn't been shown, Tsunade can adjust her aim (just like she did for a moving Manda) and hit him right in the skull. End of Deidara. If she can anticipate and hit a moving Manda in mid-strike (Manda who was moving so quickly, neither Jiraiya or Bunta could counter), it'll be childs play to hit Deidara with a vastly lighter object (which will be travelling at even greater velocity towards Deidara's skull).

 

[ItachiStyle]

Provide scans she can cover 30 meters in less than the instant it takes for deidara to jump backwards, create the bird, and fly spiraling away into the air.

1) I already did. That's what the last several pages of posts have been... read any of them.
2) Prove to me Deidara can do those things in less than an instant, given he has shown nothing of the sort through his whole career, and is quite crap at Taijutsu.

PS- please, never quote the databook as evidence for feats.

 

[Zexion~]

the fact you think tsunade can beat most of the akatsuki but itachi can beat all 5 kages together... he can but i dont see how you think deidara, kakuzu are THAT much weaker then itachi