Deidara vs. Kakashi

[Retsu]

lol how does deidera win?

his C3 is useless and if you count on him blowing himself up thats still won't work

kakashi has seen it already he' just kumai it away

What ppl fail to take into consideration is the fact that Kakashi even using Sharingan drains him heavily, if he Kamui's 1 big explosion he'll have next to no chakra, and the best argument ppl can come up with is, C'mon, Kakashi's got 1000 jutsu, it's all speculation vs all the crap that anyone with a fully functioning brain knows that Deidara is capable of.

Ppl kill me with the old Kamui argument when he's yet to kill even 1 person, he got Deidara's elbow when he was flying away on that big bird, this in my book is enough to come to the conclusion that kamui is useless. tbh all Deidara has to do is either force him into using kamui to save himself, or either make him completely drain himself using the Sharingan.

I highly doubt Kakashi would get the chance to think about Kamui seeing everything Deidara put Sasuke through. Kakashi winz in the popularity department that is for sure, but ppl can't stand to even think of their favorite character getting killed.

 

[Wooden Eagle]

why are you counting on deidera blowing himself up? lol even if he does kakashi can kamui it, and either completely finish it or reduce the explosion

he practice countered itachis genjutsu... kakashi doesn't use genjutsu

i don't see how deidera can kill kakashi..

my mistake about the sharingan. even so, kakashi has only been shown to kamui small things like susanoo's arrows and deidara's arms. even if he could get it working deidara has seen the technique before and so gets the basics of how it works and most likely how to counter it.

 

[Better]

What ppl fail to take into consideration is the fact that Kakashi even using Sharingan drains him heavily, if he Kamui's 1 big explosion he'll have next to no chakra, and the best argument ppl can come up with is, C'mon, Kakashi's got 1000 jutsu, it's all speculation vs all the crap that anyone with a fully functioning brain knows that Deidara is capable of.

Ppl kill me with the old Kamui argument when he's yet to kill even 1 person, he got Deidara's elbow when he was flying away on that big bird, this in my book is enough to come to the conclusion that kamui is useless. tbh all Deidara has to do is either force him into using kamui to save himself, or either make him completely drain himself using the Sharingan.

I highly doubt Kakashi would get the chance to think about Kamui seeing everything Deidara put Sasuke through. Kakashi winz in the popularity department that is for sure, but ppl can't stand to even think of their favorite character getting killed.

lol all he needs kamui for is when deidera blows him self up...

and he drains his sharingan when he uses his copy jutsu, there hasn't been any other time when kakashi drains himself without using kamui or the copy jutsu

 

[Better]

my mistake about the sharingan. even so, kakashi has only been shown to kamui small things like susanoo's arrows and deidara's arms. even if he could get it working deidara has seen the technique before and so gets the basics of how it works and most likely how to counter it.

deidera blew up up similar to sasuke fight, granted the blast wasn't as big but he still got rid of it

 

[Wooden Eagle]

lol all he needs kamui for is when deidera blows him self up...

and he drains his sharingan when he uses his copy jutsu, there hasn't been any other time when kakashi drains himself without using kamui or the copy jutsu

just having the sharingan active drains kakashi a great deal since he is a non-uchiha. and why do you keep insisting kamui will work on an explosion the size of a city?

 

[deidara senpai]

the only reason why deidara wins is because kakashi has no counter for c3

because of that deidara wins

 

[Better]

just having the sharingan active drains kakashi a great deal since he is a non-uchiha. and why do you keep insisting kamui will work on an explosion the size of a city?

why do you keep insisting that deidera blow himself up? he still won't win that way

look how long he lasted with kakazu and hidan, and he didn't use kamui

 

[Retsu]

lol all he needs kamui for is when deidera blows him self up...

and he drains his sharingan when he uses his copy jutsu, there hasn't been any other time when kakashi drains himself without using kamui or the copy jutsu

Any time he uncovers his eye it drains him, why do you think he keeps it covered, to look cool?

When Kakashi used Kamui on the suicide bomber clone he was hospitalized, and that explosion was no where near the size of the that bomb that nearly destroyed the sand village, and Kakashi can't just Kamui village sized explosions.

Remember when Sasuke had just fought Danzo and was half dead, Kakashi shows up and Kamui's 1 Susanoo arrow, and suddenly he was too tired to fight, you obviously don't even know too much how sharingan and Kamui work so there not even a point in arguing about it, but Kamui won't work, it's that simple.

 

[Better]

Any time he uncovers his eye it drains him, why do you think he keeps it covered, to look cool?

When Kakashi used Kamui on the suicide bomber clone he was hospitalized, and that explosion was no where near the size of the that bomb that nearly destroyed the sand village, and Kakashi can't just Kamui village sized explosions.

Remember when Sasuke had just fought Danzo and was half dead, Kakashi shows up and Kamui's 1 Susanoo arrow, and suddenly he was too tired to fight, you obviously don't even know too much how sharingan and Kamui work so there not even a point in arguing about it, but Kamui won't work, it's that simple.

go back to the kakazu and hidan fight, and look how long he lasted

where does it say it won't work?

and kakashi knowing how deidera works he won't let him make a clay flying thing

 

[Retsu]

go back to the kakazu and hidan fight, and look how long he lasted

where does it say it won't work?

and kakashi knowing how deidera works he won't let him make a clay flying thing

Kakashi nearly had his heart ripped out, and had to be saved by Shikamaru, Naruto and Yamato, this proves absolutely nothing, if anything it further shows how weak Kakashi is, I like him as much as the next guy, but he's severely outclassed in this fight.

You seriously need to rewatch the fight of Sasuke vs Deidara, if you think Kakashi can stop Deidara from doing anything he wants to with that explosive clay.

 

[Better]

Kakashi nearly had his heart ripped out, and had to be saved by Shikamaru, Naruto and Yamato, this proves absolutely nothing, if anything it further shows how weak Kakashi is, I like him as much as the next guy, but he's severely outclassed in this fight.

You seriously need to rewatch the fight of Sasuke vs Deidara, if you think Kakashi can stop Deidara from doing anything he wants to with that explosive clay.

Wait... if i remember correctly it was kakashi having to look back every second to see if ino shika cho were okay lol

but thats off topic i only refered to that fight as a time thing, you're saying his sharingan drains his chakra and won't last long, that was a long fight and kakashi was with them the entire time..

 

[Wooden Eagle]

Kakashi nearly had his heart ripped out, and had to be saved by Shikamaru, Naruto and Yamato, this proves absolutely nothing, if anything it further shows how weak Kakashi is, I like him as much as the next guy, but he's severely outclassed in this fight.

You seriously need to rewatch the fight of Sasuke vs Deidara, if you think Kakashi can stop Deidara from doing anything he wants to with that explosive clay.

dude just forget it. reason does not seem to apply in this case. he can have his opinion and we'll have ours.

 

[Better]

dude just forget it. reason does not seem to apply in this case. he can have his opinion and we'll have ours.

all you guys have said is that the sharingan drains kakashi chakra so much

i agree because he's a non uchiha it does take a little more chakra, but i just proved you guys that he can last long enough to beat deidera

btw the poll agrees with me

 

[Retsu]

all you guys have said is that the sharingan drains kakashi chakra so much

i agree because he's a non uchiha it does take a little more chakra, but i just proved you guys that he can last long enough to beat deidera

Not really, but if all you got from my previous arguments is that sharingan will drain Kakashi, I'm done here

 

[Better]

Not really, but if all you got from my previous arguments is that sharingan will drain Kakashi, I'm done here

lol okay

poll says kakashi wins by a lot seems like you two are the only ones that don't agree

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Better is right. Dude is in my good people list

 

[Hmph]

Kakashi takes it.

Kakashi is a terrible matchup for Deidara.

Raiton also gives him a advantage over Deidara. I hope people also realise Kakashi is a much smarter fighter than Sasuke and a bunshin feint would work against Deidara.

Now you could argue that when he used kamui on Deidara, he "missed" and only got Deidara's arm. However, the only reason he missed was stated blatantly by Kakashi himself. He was unable to control the size and location of the barrier limiting the area of the jutsu.


Since that time, Kakashi no longer has that problem. Kakashi is no longer hindered by these things. He was able to activate his MS instantaneously to blast away the Susano'o arrow sent at him by Sasuke, that too at very close range. That clearly shows his ability to warp things near instantly. Let's not forget that this is the same arrow which caught Danzo, too and would've killed him had he not had Izanagi, which effectively kept him immortal.


Also, also, he warped away a missile sent at Choji by Asura Path, when he was himself half buried in rubble. That tells you about his focus and accuracy with Kamui, getting a moving projectile so perfectly when he was at the verge of death himself.


If Deidara tries to enage Kakashi in CQC he wont last too long. Not only is Kakashi faster, but he also has the sharingan to aid him. If he decides to keep a distance for too long, Kakashi snipes his head or warps his whole body.

but by is no means Deidara weak, Kakashi is just a bad matchup for him...for example Deidara wouldn't have a lot of trouble against someone like Gai who happens to be in the same tier as Kakashi

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Kakashi takes it.

Kakashi is a terrible matchup for Deidara.

Raiton also gives him a advantage over Deidara. I hope people also realise Kakashi is a much smarter fighter than Sasuke and a bunshin feint would work against Deidara.

Now you could argue that when he used kamui on Deidara, he "missed" and only got Deidara's arm. However, the only reason he missed was stated blatantly by Kakashi himself. He was unable to control the size and location of the barrier limiting the area of the jutsu.


Since that time, Kakashi no longer has that problem. Kakashi is no longer hindered by these things. He was able to activate his MS instantaneously to blast away the Susano'o arrow sent at him by Sasuke, that too at very close range. That clearly shows his ability to warp things near instantly. Let's not forget that this is the same arrow which caught Danzo, too and would've killed him had he not had Izanagi, which effectively kept him immortal.


Also, also, he warped away a missile sent at Choji by Asura Path, when he was himself half buried in rubble. That tells you about his focus and accuracy with Kamui, getting a moving projectile so perfectly when he was at the verge of death himself.


If Deidara tries to enage Kakashi in CQC he wont last too long. Not only is Kakashi faster, but he also has the sharingan to aid him. If he decides to keep a distance for too long, Kakashi snipes his head or warps his whole body.

but by is no means Deidara weak, Kakashi is just a bad matchup for him...for example Deidara wouldn't have a lot of trouble against someone like Gai who happens to be in the same tier as Kakashi

+rep

But Gai wud beat Deidara if he goes 7th gate, he cud jump toooo high! He wud instantly appear in front of him and beat the living garbage out of him!

 

[Darkakatsuki]

If sasuke won without ms kakashi could definitely win because kakashi or sasuke is just a terrible match for deidara.

Sasuke did not win that fight, deidara commited suicide, there is a difference.

They were both at a stalemate, sasuke injured himself with chidori in order to disable the microscopic bombs, lost a wing and was low on chakra and literally on his knees from exhaustion and injury.

Deidara was in pretty much the same condition, it was a draw until deidara went bat shit crazy and BLEW HIMSELF up.

People also tend to forget that BOTH sasuke AND manda would have died in that explosion if SUIGETSU did not SAVE them.

Remember that it was Suigetsu who SUMMONED them away with that summoning scroll, sasuke did not defeat deidara, deidara killed himself, and sasuke dies too if suigetsu doesn't save him, this fight was a stalemate, a draw otherwise.

Plus don't go off on that sasuke without MS shit beat deidara, sasuke without EMS was almost, if not just as strong as MS sasuke. Please remember that sasuke had not only the cursed seal level 2 BUT he also had OROCHIMARU's powers too, he did ABSORB orochimaru afterall and had orochimaru's powers to help him in both his bttle against deidara and Itachi, Sasuke was already MILES ahead of Kakashi when he faced deidara, having already defeated orochimaru and gaining his powers before fighting deidara and going on to go toe to toe with Itachi after that, the same Itachi who outclassed Kakashi with only his 30% clone, prompting Kakashi to ask for Naruto's help to face him.

Plus deidara is way better than kakashi, remember that deidara went to fight Gaara with what sasori deemed as NOT ENOUGH clay, fought and captured the kazekage with insufficient clay,and lost an arm doing so.

Now Kakashi and Naruto meet up with a ONE ARMED deidara with EVEN LESS clay than he had against Gaara and they still almost lose.
Sure kakashi took his other arm, and he became armless, but this same armless, lacking in clay deidara kept up with Guy's team in TAIJUTSU, against a Taijutsu team without his arms and almost killed both Guy and Kakashi's team with his suicide clone. All done WITHOUT BOTH ARMS, WITH LIMITED CLAY and against like 9 PEOPLE on his OWN, and look at kakashi's condition afterwards, he was even worse off than deidara was because he needed to be caried awayafter absorbing the explosion because of mangyeko overuse, if Kakashi is alone deidara just goes and finishes him off because he was still good to go even then,

Don't underestimate deidara, he maybe bat shit crazy, but that holds no baring to his IQ and tactical proficiency, they guy is a great strategist and has insanely powerful jutsu's, at full power, kakashi stands no chance against him, face the facts. Kakashi is just a low S class and deidara is on the higher side of that rank, he will kill kakashi for sure in a one on one without any restrictions, with mid difficulty off coz thanks to kakashi's lightning element and kamui.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

lol how does deidera win?

his C3 is useless and if you count on him blowing himself up thats still won't work

kakashi has seen it already he' just kumai it away

As if deidara has no knowledge on Kakashi's abilities, deidara has already seen Kamui twice, once when it took his arm while he was DISTRACT WITH NARUTO, a distraction Kakashi wouldn't have in a one on one, and the second time when kakashi used kamui to absorb deidara's suicide clone explosion, something which completely ancapacitated kakashi and required that he be carried hom. Sharingan advantage is irrelevant against deidara because we saw proof against sasuke that he has been training his left eye to SUCCESSFULLY counter that advantage. And everyone who is anyone in the elemental nations knows about Kakashi's raikiri and about his one thousand jutsu that he copied so that aint no advantage.

Intelligence is not a factor because deidara is incredibly smmart and tactical himself, and has proven himself on many occasions.

Plus Kakashi was hospitalised for weaks after facing deidara even though he had naruto helping him out and even though he had the whole of team Guy to back him up, there is no substance to this delusion that people have about Kakashi taking out deidara.