Deidara and MS Obito vs Tobirama and MS Kakashi

[Beans2]

Location: Deidara vs Sasuke
Intel: None
Conditions: This is War Arc Kakashi, alive Deidara and Tobirama, and the Obito that fought Konan
Restrictions: C0, Offensive Kamui (Kakashi cannot kamui snipe an opponent, but he is free to kamui anything else)

Scenario 2: Intel is FULL

 

[Unorthodox]

Obito > Kakashi

Deidara drags Tobirama

 

[ARGUS]

Deidara and Tobi win scenario 1,
lose scenario 2

 

[Unorthodox]

Deidara and Tobi win scenario 1,
lose scenario 2

and how would they lose scenario 2

 

[TRE MERCER]

Deidara and Obito wins both scenes' Tobirama cannot even come close to harming Deidara via flight. Obito beats Kakashi.

 

[ARGUS]

and how would they lose scenario 2

--With full intel, Tobirama can disrupt Obitos kamui based moveset through KB and can his FTG is faster than Kamui as well, meaning that whenever they clash, Obito would end up gettting marked thus allowing Tobirama to finish him off, he wins this similar to how minato did in canon, and with KB and full intel itll be even easier,

--Kakashi can detect the raiton weakness of deidaras clay bombs, and Tobirama can send out his KB to place markings well out of the AOE to evade deidaras large scale attacks, and with raiton weakness being found, kakashi can negate all his bombs, whilst tobirama can mark his kunais and attempt to close the distance and end deidara through FTG

--Deidara is also never reacting to Tobiramas speed, and kakashi can also attempt to blitz him through his top speed which is comprabale to hebi sasukes

 

[TRE MERCER]

--With full intel, Tobirama can disrupt Obitos kamui based moveset through KB and can his FTG is faster than Kamui as well, meaning that whenever they clash, Obito would end up gettting marked thus allowing Tobirama to finish him off, he wins this similar to how minato did in canon, and with KB and full intel itll be even easier,

--Kakashi can detect the raiton weakness of deidaras clay bombs, and Tobirama can send out his KB to place markings well out of the AOE to evade deidaras large scale attacks, and with raiton weakness being found, kakashi can negate all his bombs, whilst tobirama can mark his kunais and attempt to close the distance and end deidara through FTG

--Deidara is also never reacting to Tobiramas speed, and kakashi can also attempt to blitz him through his top speed which is comprabale to hebi sasukes

Actually no Minato beat Obito mainly due to the fact that he has Kunai set everywhere around the village. Who's to say Tobirama reaction speed and striking speed is even on Minato's level? Obito does Juubi Size Katon which would easily cover Tobirama and Kakashi Aoe and far exceeds Tobirama ftg aoe from the start of the battle.

Common mistake with Deidara is that people think anyone with ration counters Deidara which is false Sasuke Ration skills shits on Kakashi due to the fact that he has multiple long range ration attacks and Kakashi does not. Not to mention Tobi can rigg the entire ground with Deidara bombs like he did in canon. All Deidara has to do is take flight and use c3 while there occupied by Juubi size katon and drops C3 to end this battle.

 

[Bieber]

Deidara and Obito win both scenarios.

 

[ARGUS]

Actually no Minato beat Obito mainly due to the fact that he has Kunai set everywhere around the village. Who's to say Tobirama reaction speed and striking speed is even on Minato's level? Obito does Juubi Size Katon which would easily cover Tobirama and Kakashi Aoe and far exceeds Tobirama ftg aoe from the start of the battle.

Becuase tobirama has full intel he is bound to create KB and would also have weapons that are marked as he is not stupid enough to attack TObi with no back up markings at all,
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. furthermore his FTG is faster than Kamui and if he doesnt have markings around then he can simply swap himself with his marked KB if he does get caught off guard,
not to mention that whenever Obito would solidify, FTG would outrun Kamui and Obito would get marked

as for the katons, they are countered by suitons, by kakashi and tobirama, or earth style: mud wall by kakashi can also block them

Common mistake with Deidara is that people think anyone with ration counters Deidara which is false Sasuke Ration skills shits on Kakashi due to the fact that he has multiple long range ration attacks and Kakashi does not. Not to mention Tobi can rigg the entire ground with Deidara bombs like he did in canon. All Deidara has to do is take flight and use c3 while there occupied by Juubi size katon and drops C3 to end this battle.

Yeah because Tobirama and Kakashi would just stand there and let Tobi place the bombs under ground Lol
and Raiton completely shits on Deidaras arsenal, it negates the doton effect of the claybombs and prevents them from exploding, so yeah its very effective....... as for sasuke shitting on kakashis raitons thats pure speculation,
kakashis raikiri is superior to chidori, heck sasuke even learnt the jutsu from kakashi smh

as for C3 GG its not happening when hebi sasuke countered alone countered C4 through his raiton,
and tobirama having full intel would place markings well out of the techniques AOE through his KB
and Kakashi can also kamui the explosion for defense

 

[TRE MERCER]

Becuase tobirama has full intel he is bound to create KB and would also have weapons that are marked as he is not stupid enough to attack TObi with no back up markings at all,
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. furthermore his FTG is faster than Kamui and if he doesnt have markings around then he can simply swap himself with his marked KB if he does get caught off guard,
not to mention that whenever Obito would solidify, FTG would outrun Kamui and Obito would get marked.

There you go again assuming he has ftg marked kunai if im correct Tobirama doesn't even start off any battle with kunai already covered in ftg i think you confusing him with Minato. Tobirama marked Juubito at the cost of his edo body so using that scan isn't going to help your case a t all.(

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). Tobirama was blitz like hell. Obito isn't a fool he not going to fall for the same tricks he did as a kid. He'll keep his distance will Deidara nukes from above.

as for the katons, they are countered by suitons, by kakashi and tobirama, or earth style: mud wall by kakashi can also block them


Yeah because Tobirama and Kakashi would just stand there and let Tobi place the bombs under ground Lol
and Raiton completely shits on Deidaras arsenal, it negates the doton effect of the claybombs and prevents them from exploding, so yeah its very effective....... as for sasuke shitting on kakashis raitons thats pure speculation,
kakashis raikiri is superior to chidori, heck sasuke even learnt the jutsu from kakashi smh

Please Tobirama hasn't shown a Suiton tech that is capable to standing up to Katon techs Obito brings to the table. Mud wall is a decent counter but this jutsu isn't for attacking them directly move of a decoy so Deidara can easily get air born. Kakashi would have to get in arms range of the bomb to deactivate it by then Deidara would have already have let it explode as i've said Kakashi has no projectile ration techs which is needed to stop Deidara bombs. Naruto learned Rasengan from Jiraiya and he's far greater at the jutsu that Jiraiya and Minato you mentioning Kakashi taught Sasuke chidori means nothing. Name something Rakiri can cut that Chidori would fail to do so.

as for C3 GG its not happening when hebi sasuke countered alone countered C4 through his raiton,
and tobirama having full intel would place markings well out of the techniques AOE through his KB
and Kakashi can also kamui the explosion for defense

When was C3 ever used on Sasuke? This is c3.(

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). I really need to see a scan of Sasuke countering this. Also Sasuke countered 80% of Deidara bombs via Chidori needles and Chidori stream something Kakashi lacks. How far do you think Tobirama is going to run? Do you honestly think Deidara would just watching him run away l0l. Tobirama hasn't shown that he can use even more than 5clones Deidara sends bird to blow the clones up way before they get out of c3 aoe. Really now you can Kamui explosions that are this size.(

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). Let's say he could do it Kakashi would die of chakra due to him using up all the chakra he has.

 

[Bieber]

He'll keep his distance will Deidara nukes from above.

He can fly up with Deidara, no need to keep his distance.

 

[ARGUS]

There you go again assuming he has ftg marked kunai if im correct Tobirama doesn't even start off any battle with kunai already covered in ftg i think you confusing him with Minato.

No i am not mistaking him from Minato,
i specifically stated that he would use his KB to place the markings and can mark his kunai as the battle progresses

Tobirama marked Juubito at the cost of his edo body so using that scan isn't going to help your case a t all.(

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). Tobirama was blitz like hell. Obito isn't a fool he not going to fall for the same tricks he did as a kid. He'll keep his distance will Deidara nukes from above.

Implying that Juubito has the same spped as MS Tobi, Lol
juubitos reflexes shit on MS Obito, so that alone doesnt help you, espeically with the blitzing
furthermore Obito is never ever reacting to FTG, and his kamui is getting outrun thats all there is to it

Please Tobirama hasn't shown a Suiton tech that is capable to standing up to Katon techs Obito brings to the table. Mud wall is a decent counter but this jutsu isn't for attacking them directly move of a decoy so Deidara can easily get air born. Kakashi would have to get in arms range of the bomb to deactivate it by then Deidara would have already have let it explode as i've said Kakashi has no projectile ration techs which is needed to stop Deidara bombs.

Suiton dooesnt need to be of katons size to extinguish the flames, and the mud wall at the very least prevents kakashi and tobirama
from the katons, Kakashi doesnt need any projectiles, to attack them,
Tobirama can mark his weaposns and throw the kunai at a range close to deidara whilst he is flying, as he proceeds to teleport to the kunai through FTG and with the distance closed he can mark deidara, as the lattter is struggling against tobiramas foot speed which is clearly faster than hebi sasuke

When was C3 ever used on Sasuke? This is c3.(

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). I really need to see a scan of Sasuke countering this. Also Sasuke countered 80% of Deidara bombs via Chidori needles and Chidori stream something Kakashi lacks.

I clearly stated that sasuke counterred C4 through his raiton, C3 was never mentioned, and kakashi can also kamui off the explosion for C3 or its most likely that tobirama wouldd have the markings placed outside the AOE to evade the attack
Kakashi can use

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, and can throw the weapons similar to how sasuke usd chidori needles and streams
he can also infuse raiton chakra into weapons to diffuse the bombs

How far do you think Tobirama is going to run? Do you honestly think Deidara would just watching him run away l0l. Tobirama hasn't shown that he can use even more than 5clones Deidara sends bird to blow the clones up way before they get out of c3 aoe. Really now you can Kamui explosions that are this size.(

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). Let's say he could do it Kakashi would die of chakra due to him using up all the chakra he has.

Tobirama can get his clones to place markings quite fast as his foot speed is faster than the mini birds, whilst the real tobirama and kakashi can stall deidara well enough
Kakashi doesnt need to use kamui, he can negate the bomb with raiton
furthermore it will take deidara quite some time to release a claybomb this large, chances are that tobirama can mark him before he even uses his large scale attacks,

the OP should specify a starting distance, because that matters alot,
i would say that a starting distance of over 100m is a win for Deidara and Tobi

 

[TRE MERCER]

No i am not mistaking him from Minato,
i specifically stated that he would use his KB to place the markings and can mark his kunai as the battle progresses



Implying that Juubito has the same spped as MS Tobi, Lol
juubitos reflexes shit on MS Obito, so that alone doesnt help you, espeically with the blitzing
furthermore Obito is never ever reacting to FTG, and his kamui is getting outrun thats all there is to it


Suiton dooesnt need to be of katons size to extinguish the flames, and the mud wall at the very least prevents kakashi and tobirama
from the katons, Kakashi doesnt need any projectiles, to attack them,
Tobirama can mark his weaposns and throw the kunai at a range close to deidara whilst he is flying, as he proceeds to teleport to the kunai through FTG and with the distance closed he can mark deidara, as the lattter is struggling against tobiramas foot speed which is clearly faster than hebi sasuke.

All b4 Deidara takes flight and Obito uses a Katon? Not going to happen. Never said MS obito speed is anywhere near Juubito's don't know where your getting that from. You were acting like Tobirama was/could even compete with Juubito in terms of speed i was simply stating that Tobirama took advantage of his edo body that was all. So now you implying that this.(

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). Can extinguish this.(

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).? L0l that is the funniest argument ever. So Deidara is just going to sit back and watch as he thows Kunai? Deidara move away before the kunai can get even remotely close. You see how close there are that's about 50ft away from each other.(

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). What great foot speed has Tobirama displayed? Don't take Deidara for some weakling when it comes to cqc he fought off Gai while he was missing a limb.

I clearly stated that sasuke counterred C4 through his raiton, C3 was never mentioned, and kakashi can also kamui off the explosion for C3 or its most likely that tobirama wouldd have the markings placed outside the AOE to evade the attack
Kakashi can use

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, and can throw the weapons similar to how sasuke usd chidori needles and streams
he can also infuse raiton chakra into weapons to diffuse the bombs.

Actually you implied it by saying he countered c4 so how would c3 be a problem. Deidara won't let Tobirama clones run about as they please some guided c2 missiles destroy the clones. Kakashi ration covered Kunai gets evaded since Deidara can Guide his c2 missiles.

Tobirama can get his clones to place markings quite fast as his foot speed is faster than the mini birds, whilst the real tobirama and kakashi can stall deidara well enough
Kakashi doesnt need to use kamui, he can negate the bomb with raiton
furthermore it will take deidara quite some time to release a claybomb this large, chances are that tobirama can mark him before he even uses his large scale attacks,

the OP should specify a starting distance, because that matters alot,
i would say that a starting distance of over 100m is a win for Deidara and Tobi

I need some scans of Tobirama's impressive foot speed. 100meters isn't needed for there win. Tobirama is not going to catch Deidara once he's airborn any Kunai thown Deidara gets out of it direction before it even comes remotely close to him.

 

[Zexion~]

Restricting his Kamui the only way to beat Obito? Lml

Team one mid diff I say mid only because Raiton> Deidara's bombs

 

[Beans2]

Deidara and Obito wins both scenes' Tobirama cannot even come close to harming Deidara via flight. Obito beats Kakashi.

Tobirama throws a kunai into the air, teleports to it, throws it into the air again, teleports to it, and keeps doing it until he reaches Deidara's height.

 

[naruto7861]

Diedara Obito midd diff

 

[Oblivionx]

team 1 has chance in scenario 1...
in scenario two, match ups change as kakashi will fight deidara and tobirama will fight obito due to intel and then kakashi stomps deidara as sasuke already defeated him with raiton and tobirama can hold obito off till kakashi finishes....

 

[ATD]

senario 1 could go either way
team 1 has the sicker moves and attacks,but kakashi would be able to figure out the weakness of deidara and maybe even the secret behind kamui (having tobirama on ones side is a big advantage if it comes to strategies),
tobirama is also a s/t user with monstrous chakra, can do many shadow clones and would be able to summon masses of water, which can be used to gain hight reaching deidara with water dragons.
Kakashi also is a clone user which means that intel is made faster for team 2

But one should not forget obito has kamui and 1 izanagi while deidara is able to fly and has great fire power, but after kakashi figured out deidaras weakness every clay bomb would be nullified with a raiton shurikan or kunai.

The problem really is obito with kamui and izanagi and to catch deidara out of the air, it really could go either way, requires how fast kakashi will be able to figure out kamuis weakness.

senario2 team 2 very high diff
with full intel right to begin, it would be easy for team 2 to force obito going into that dimension, while kakashi kamuies clones or ninjutsus right into the kamui land, maybe even a marked kunai of tobirama.

with full intel team 2 won't wait until deidara is up in the sky, tobirama can mark deidaras bird when no one pay attention ( Kakashi is fighting with obito) while deidara hasn't the reaction time to see tobiramas fast movements ( tobirama can mark, sett bombs so fast even minato wasn't able to notice in the war arc )

obito has an extra life but team 2 has intel on that too and both kakashi and tobirama are tacticians, who will make up great strategies.

OP: good matchup! i would like to see this fight in animation.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Obito chalenges Kakashi to a fight in Kamuiland again, Curbstomps him with izanagi, takes his eye back and murders Tobirama. Deidara probably gets killed at some point.

 

[ATD]

Obito chalenges Kakashi to a fight in Kamuiland again, Curbstomps him with izanagi, takes his eye back and murders Tobirama. Deidara probably gets killed at some point.

i think this is senario 2

In Kamuiland, kakashi will kill obito 2 times
superior in taijutsu, ninjutsu, handsigns, tactics/intellegence,
on pair in genjutsu, strenght
inferior in chakra/stamina due to hasirama cells ( thats not really important, kakashi is war arc so his chakra resources are fine)

Tobirama will defeat deidara if its 1vs 1
master sensor
high level speed movements + ftg
big chakra
clone feints
water dragons ( to reach deidara when he flies or to gain hight)

this battle could end even before deidara got the chance to use C4