Definition of a Shinobi

[HiddenSound]

Any ninja who died for Konoha or their country on the orders of "protecting it" is a true shinobi, that includes fodders.

Danzo did exactly that. Except he didn't need to give himself orders. His final act was sacrificing himself to try and kill Obito and Sasuke, he killed himself to protect Konoha.

 

[KingHashirama]

Danzo did exactly that. Except he didn't need to give himself orders. His final act was sacrificing himself to try and kill Obito and Sasuke, he killed himself to protect Konoha.

But hes not like Haku, who devoted his whole life to someone who trained him as a shinobi, and than sacrificed his life. Or someone like Itachi who listened to his elders and killed his own parents, because the elders thought it was the right thing to do. Or someone like Hashirama who said the villagers make every part of his body.

 

[HiddenSound]

Yes his playboyness is awsome

Any ninja who died for Konoha or their country on the orders of "protecting it" is a true shinobi, that includes fodders. But by Haku all I meant was that the definition of "Shinobi" was defined by his death.

Danzo is a traitor to Konoha,basically Madara Uchiha of Hiruzen. He was always about him becoming Hokage somehow.

Itachi was used by the village, and he did this without any questions. And hence him getting praised by the god of shinobi.

Shinobi is about loyalty. I only mentioned Haku to be the DEFINITION of a shinobi. A simple tool.



Suna and Konoha had a alliance.. they did their chunnin exams together..

Dude.. he literally stated the village must be destroyed in order for him to be hokage.. during Pain arc. Danzo's final moment was his realization of how he was behind Hiruzen. And in his last moment he finally tried to do something for Konoha. Killing your villagers is against the Will Of Fire, which is the standard principal of Konoha Shinobi.

It's the standard philosophy of Hashirama. Last time I checked, Konoha doesn't enforce a state religion.
And yes, Danzo did say that. I never said Danzo was perfect, no one is. He did plenty of shady things. But guess what. That's part of being a Shinobi. And he didn't say Konoha needed to be destroyed, only damaged. Or at least that's in one translation.
You say his inactivity during the Pain invasion, I say his getting rid of the Uchiha conspirators. He does good and bad things. All for Konoha though.
And if Danzo's final actions meant he truly was selfish and repented, (which wasn't what happened at all), wouldn't Hashirama forgive him? If he can then you should too.

 

[locodude]

naruto, hashirama, minato, and itachi are all good examples naruto because he never gives up on protecting his comrades and on saving sasuke from evil.. hasirama always stayed true to everyone including madara, also he endure the hatred and battle that the uchiha caused and waited for the time when madara would give up and join an alliance with the senjus. minato gave up his life to protect his village. and itachi sure he betrayed his clan but that was in order to maintain peace to the village and pretty much everything else that he did was for the village so he is a fine shinobi... haku is also a great shinobi

 

[KingHashirama]

It's the standard philosophy of Hashirama. Last time I checked, Konoha doesn't enforce a state religion.
And yes, Danzo did say that. I never said Danzo was perfect, no one is. He did plenty of shady things. But guess what. That's part of being a Shinobi. And he didn't say Konoha needed to be destroyed, only damaged. Or at least that's in one translation.
You say his inactivity during the Pain invasion, I say his getting rid of the Uchiha conspirators. He does good and bad things. All for Konoha though.
And if Danzo's final actions meant he truly was selfish and repented, (which wasn't what happened at all), wouldn't Hashirama forgive him? If he can then you should too.

uh no, Will of Fire is the philosophy of the creator of the village. Hence it is followed by all Konoha ninja. You cannot be Hokage without having the Will of Fire. -cough- Danzo -cough-.

People of Konoha = Konoha, he was sitting down in his lair, while the Hokage was getting killed, he told his students not to interfere that it was fine for some of them to die, as long he becomes Hokage.

Uchiha conspirators? the same ones that were protecting konoha's ass in 3 world wars?

I don't judge characters by their last actions, but their whole life. I can't do that since i'm not a character in the manga.

We are getting into one of our heated arguments on this topic lol.

 

[HiddenSound]

uh no, Will of Fire is the philosophy of the creator of the village. Hence it is followed by all Konoha ninja. You cannot be Hokage without having the Will of Fire. -cough- Danzo -cough-.

People of Konoha = Konoha, he was sitting down in his lair, while the Hokage was getting killed, he told his students not to interfere that it was fine for some of them to die, as long he becomes Hokage.

Uchiha conspirators? the same ones that were protecting konoha's ass in 3 world wars?

I don't judge characters by their last actions, but their whole life. I can't do that since i'm not a character in the manga.

We are getting into one of our heated arguments on this topic lol.

Who says the Hokage needs the Will of Fire? He doesn't as long as he has Konoha's interests at heart. -cough- Danzo. -cough-

Yes, and he did that to make Pain leave sooner, get rid of a soft Hokage, and to reform Konoha.

That does not matter. They were traitors to the Leaf as soon as they started planning their coup.

Indeed we are. I guess we're just polar opposites :/

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Danzo....Itachi....Minato...Sarutobi...Kisame.....they were real ninja

 

[KingHashirama]

Who says the Hokage needs the Will of Fire? He doesn't as long as he has Konoha's interests at heart. -cough- Danzo. -cough-

Yes, and he did that to make Pain leave sooner, get rid of a soft Hokage, and to reform Konoha.

That does not matter. They were traitors to the Leaf as soon as they started planning their coup.

Indeed we are. I guess we're just polar opposites :/

Cause Hashirama represents Konoha. ^_^.

Soft Hokage? she told the counsel their place.. In fact the counsel and Danzo should've been driven from power long time ago. People like Shikaku , and others should've taken their roles. -sigh-

The Leaf doesn't = 4 people, Uchiha were doing a coup against 4 people.

Sadly yes. V_V.

 

[HiddenSound]

Cause Hashirama represents Konoha. ^_^.

Soft Hokage? she told the counsel their place.. In fact the counsel and Danzo should've been driven from power long time ago. People like Shikaku , and others should've taken their roles. -sigh-

The Leaf doesn't = 4 people, Uchiha were doing a coup against 4 people.

Sadly yes. V_V.

Uh, no he doesn't. 1 person, Hashi, does not = all of Konoha.

She had the philosophy of Hiruzen. The same Hiruzen that invited the Sand to the Chunin Exams. "Fine ideals alone do not make the world go 'round."

A coup against 4 people that would have spilled into the streets because others would have gotten involved. You honestly believe that Konoha would just totally accept a change in leadership over night, no questions asked, and go about like normal? You don't think other villages would take serious advantage of the confusion and attack and destroy Konoha? You think that not a single Shinobi in Konoha would fight the Uchiha, sparking a war?

Alright, I have to go as it's getting late. But this was fun

 

[KingHashirama]

Uh, no he doesn't. 1 person, Hashi, does not = all of Konoha.

She had the philosophy of Hiruzen. The same Hiruzen that invited the Sand to the Chunin Exams. "Fine ideals alone do not make the world go 'round."

A coup against 4 people that would have spilled into the streets because others would have gotten involved. You honestly believe that Konoha would just totally accept a change in leadership over night, no questions asked, and go about like normal? You don't think other villages would take serious advantage of the confusion and attack and destroy Konoha? You think that not a single Shinobi in Konoha would fight the Uchiha, sparking a war?

Alright, I have to go as it's getting late. But this was fun

Suna and Konoha held exams together.. lol.


But that is a baseless assumption. Since the desire of the clan was just to have political power, which they were derived from. Nope, not a single shinobi would fight the Uchiha.. unless its the brainwashed ROOT. People like Shikaku and etc Nope.

And Nite broo

 

[Tennis Robot]

Itachi was a true shinobi because he put his village ahead of everything else, even his own prodigious talent. Also I guess Tenten....but she's Tenten, soooo yeah Haku was a tool for Zabuza, not for the Hidden Mist

 

[KingHashirama]

Itachi was a true shinobi because he put his village ahead of everything else, even his own prodigious talent. Also I guess Tenten....but she's Tenten, soooo yeah Haku was a tool for Zabuza, not for the Hidden Mist

Haku never belonged to the hidden mist. He was never a ninja of the hidden mist. o-o

 

[Tennis Robot]

Haku never belonged to the hidden mist. He was never a ninja of the hidden mist. o-o

Where did he get that headband from then???? Haha

 

[KingHashirama]

Where did he get that headband from then???? Haha

From Zabuza duh. xD