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"given our current battle strength"

"I think this is the best crew"
That’s not the same as saying “this crew here are the best as at as combat ability goes” its completely different why? Becuase he isn’t comparing the teams combat ability to anyone else’s he’s saying that he is saying that he “thinks” the crew in front of him is what’s best to save Naruto which is true.

You can’t spin it into a comparison of the false translation.


aka who is there at the moment that is the best of the best in battle strength
Nope he didn’t say that, that’s your interpretation not his words and Sakura being present on the roof top is irrelevant becuase she never considered as being apart of the team. You making things up, if Shikamaru said that everyone going to save Naruto had the best combat ability individually then you would have a leg to stand on but he didn’t. He didn’t even individually praise or reference their strength, he referred to them as a whole.

As a whole they didn’t need Sakura because they were already strong enough as a whole to attempt to save Naruto.

Just the other day you attacked Sakura fans for saying Byakugou was the pinnacle of chakra even though it’s a fact that byakugou
When did a Sakura fan disagree with the Viz translation though like you are disagreeing with this one? Lmao you know what’s funny your saying that the mistranslation and the official translation are the same thing right? Well it’s a fact that pinnacle is defined as the highest point or achvement of something and it’s also a fact that Byakugou requires the highest form of precise chakra control but you would attack a Sakura for interpreting it that way.


unless they were choosing people based on being pinnacles :pkun:
That would be a easy win for Sakura, because it would apply to her.
 

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That’s not the same as saying “this crew here are the best as at as combat ability goes” its completely different why? Becuase he isn’t comparing the teams combat ability to anyone else’s he’s saying that he is saying that he “thinks” the crew in front of him is what’s best to save Naruto which is true.

You can’t spin it into a comparison of the false translation.




Nope he didn’t say that, that’s your interpretation not his words and Sakura being present on the roof top is irrelevant becuase she never considered as being apart of the team. You making things up, if Shikamaru said that everyone going to save Naruto had the best combat ability individually then you would have a leg to stand on but he didn’t. He didn’t even individually praise or reference their strength, he referred to them as a whole.

As a whole they didn’t need Sakura because they were already strong enough as a whole to attempt to save Naruto.



When did a Sakura fan disagree with the Viz translation though like you are disagreeing with this one? Lmao you know what’s funny your saying that the mistranslation and the official translation are the same thing right? Well it’s a fact that pinnacle is defined as the highest point or achvement of something and it’s also a fact that Byakugou requires the highest form of precise chakra control but you would attack a Sakura for interpreting it that way.




That would be a easy win for Sakura, because it would apply to her.
I am sorry re-read this again
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Idk how you literally can't just read what he said without spinning stuff to GOD knows whatever you are trying to bring out of thin air.

STATEMENT....

"Given our current battle strength"

"I believe this is the best crew"
So

A) He is talking about Battle Strength


What battle strength?


CURRENT Battle Strength

IF he just meant that crew he would say "Current battle strength of this crew"

he didn't by the way

So again his statement is general and Sasuke prior to that said he can only take a limited amount.
So idk how you are trying to spin this to where Shikamaru chose a weaker battle strength total then what was there
 
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I never thought Hinata had healing techniques. To heal the villagers. When Sakura was gone. LMAO. Maybe Hinata's grandfather will heal the wounded leaf villagers from his grave.
 

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I am sorry re-read this again


Idk how you literally can't just read what he said without spinning stuff to GOD knows whatever you are trying to bring out of thin air.

STATEMENT....


So

A) He is talking about Battle Strength


What battle strength?



IF he just meant that crew he would say "Current battle strength of this crew"

he didn't by the way

So again his statement is general and Sasuke prior to that said he can only take a limited amount.
So idk how you are trying to spin this to where Shikamaru chose a weaker battle strength total then what was there

@Bold:
Shikamaru didn't choose anybody he was just praising the Hokage who were going. The fact that Boruto went undermines the concept of battle strength altogether since he didn't make it exclusive himself.

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The Kage chose themselves, Sasuke didn't say no to them and Shikamaru isn't going to bash them by saying "by the way your not the best but you volunteered so thanks for going to retrieve the Hokage." You should stop reaching Shikamaru's praise is in reference to their station nothing else.
 
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It is some what individualized to strength to a certain degree yes, the higher the combat ability of a group
But the undeniable point is that Shikamaru factored in their overall strength as a group, he didn’t look at them as individuals before guessing if they were the best team for the mission. You cannot logically say that each individual’s strength on that team is greater then anyone else’s who wasn’t on it becuase Shikumaru never identified or elaborated on any of their individual strength, he talked about their strengths as a whole.

All I’m saying is this: based on shikamuras words in the Viz translation you cannot say as a fact that he thought each of their individually strengths was the basis of his guess that they made a great team for the mission. But you can say without a doubt that he guessed their strength combined as a whole made their team suitable for the mission .

If your choosing the best people
Shikamaru didn’t choose anyone to go nor did he ask for any of them to go, they were going on their own before Shikamaru was even in the picture.he only commented and validated the team going already going before he had anything to say about it.

You chose the best/strongest combatants you have, which were chosen, Pure and simple.
Simple, who chose them to go? I know for a fact you can’t say Shikamaru did. Saying Shikamaru put the kages together is fanfic, there was no room for Shikamru to choose a team because the team choose itself.

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The only reason why no one else went besides the kages is because no one else volunteered, notthing more.


Stop trying to use lee to wiggle your way out of this.
Stop ignoring the fact that Lee has stronger if not better combat strength then some of the kages who weren’t choose to go rescue Naruto but instead having volunteered.

You can’t counter it..

IThe reason the logic doesn't make sense to you is because your pulling shit out of your ass
No the reason why your shitty argument makes no sense is because it’s coming straight out of your ass and fanfic.


about lee and how strong you expect him to be not how strong he has proven to be.
More shitty logic, no facts.

This is how strong Lee is expected to be via opening the gates and how strong he should be opening the same gates (strength that surpasses a kage or hokage).

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Common sense tells you that Lee’s strength is beyond the kages who went to rescue Naruto by default. Counter that...
 

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Apparently, Boruto has more "combat ability" than Sakura and lee. More "combat ability" than Hinata who has lion fists. Hilarious arguments are hilarious.
Dude boruto went cause he was the MAIN CHARACTER, and you cant leave the main character out the main event, so they found a way to make sense of it if he went. simple


Ot: It's a simple answer fam. Sakura didn't go because she wasn't needed.No matter what excuse you say, if she was needed she would of been there, but she wasn't.
 
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But the undeniable point is that Shikamaru factored in their overall strength as a group, he didn’t look at them as individuals before guessing if they were the best team for the mission. You cannot logically say that each individual’s strength on that team is greater then anyone else’s who wasn’t on it becuase Shikumaru never identified or elaborated on any of their individual strength, he talked about their strengths as a whole.
You factor in individual strength to gauge a groups strength..... That's how you gauge a groups stregnth, You can't gauge a groups strength without looking at the individuals within said group.

All I’m saying is this: based on shikamuras words in the Viz translation you cannot say as a fact that he thought each of their individually strengths was the basis of his guess that they made a great team for the mission. But you can say without a doubt that he guessed their strength combined as a whole made their team suitable for the mission .
Yes you can.

Based on his statement, The group that was formed was the best in terms of combat strength, Meaning the individuals that made up said groups were the best on offer.

If you have a group in any catagory and claims they're the best crew, you'd assume they are the best available at what ever that group were created to do.

Shikamaru didn’t choose anyone to go nor did he ask for any of them to go, they were going on their own before Shikamaru was even in the picture.he only commented and validated the team going already going before he had anything to say about it.

Doesn't matter if he chose them or not, His statement still holds. He clearly thought in terms of combat strength this team was the best.


Stop ignoring the fact that Lee has stronger if not better combat strength then some of the kages who weren’t choose to go rescue Naruto but instead having volunteered.
How can i ignore something that hasn't been shown in cannon?.

More shitty logic, no facts.

This is how strong Lee is expected to be via opening the gates and how strong he should be opening the same gates (strength that surpasses a kage or hokage).

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Common sense tells you that Lee’s strength is beyond the kages who went to rescue Naruto by default. Counter that...
> the state where all the gates have been opened

Show me where it's been confirmed lee has all 8 Gates?
 
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Sakura beat the hell out of Kaguya. Meaning Boruto can one shot Kinshiki so he was send. Meaning Boruto = Kaguya now? Hilarious BS will always be hilarious.
 

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Sakura >>>> 5 Kage except Gaara and Naruto.

That’s the tea for the day, I’m not discussing this because I know only Hinata fans who are so intimidated by a female that has no link to their fave will quote this or outright Sakura haters. I mean someone on this thread said Sakura isn’t kage-level :lmao:

You know the entire argument is bullshit when they base it off one panel, the length that people go to undermine sakura is pathetic.
 
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