debate thread. EMS Sasuke >>> BM Naruto

[DemonicAvenger]

Do you even Naruto?

I may humor myself and counter the thread, but something tells me you can't be reasoned with.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

Even as a Sasuke fan I can say that there isn't a correct point to be found in this thread.

 

[Gakido]

Do you even Naruto?

I may humor myself and counter the thread, but something tells me you can't be reasoned with.

Please do, not that it would be all that hard.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Countering biiju dama is very easy for Sasuke because he has a better jutsu(imo) in his arsenal, Amaterasu.
As you know, bijju dama takes time to form, then naruto has to carefully aim at his target and then shoot it and then it takes some time to reach the target and then it explodes and it is not even necessary that it will explode, it can also be "caught" like a ball.
So yeah, While naruto is forming bijju dama, sasuke can use amaterasu on it while its forming which will disturb the chakra ratio and explode.

Also, bijju dama is only effective in long range combat , since in mid-close range , even the user will take on some damage as the radius of bijju dama is huge(depends on his size) .

First of all, Naruto can run half a kilometer away and shoot his bijuudama, since

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is quite big.

Secondly, the one that caught bijuudama is Hashirama Senju, not Sasuke. Susanoo can't pick it up. The bijuudama that was used against Hashirama was nowhere near the size of Naruto's and even then it was flung back, it didn't explode properly.

Thirdly, Naruto tanked Juubi's attacks/Juubidama, his own Bijuudama won't do shit.

 

[Frikid]

If amaterasu was dodged by A, Naruto moving at blitz speed would also avoid it. So not only is he faster than Amaterasu, but Amaterasu has been shown to appear before the opponent and converge on them. It hasn't been shown to travel. So if Naruto is coming at him, the point at which Sasuke sees him and focuses his amaterasu on, Naruto will have already moved past that point, which would leave Sasuke a sitting duck.

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Sasuke can predict movements. He can time his movement prediction with his offensive attacks(amaterasu in this case) and there you go.
And do not forget sasuke has susano .

Also if Sasuke does that Amaterasu ring thing, the only way out he'll have is up, which again, a TBB spam just above the top off the amaterasu ring would not only keep him within that ring, but the blast radius would harm him. Naruto could even up the ante by using clones to blitz and protect him while he prepares a massive TBB for more damage due to blast radius. With clones, Naruto can blitz and prepare TBB at the same time. Sasuke can't use amaterasu and summon a hawk at the same time.

Nope, he can go in any direction he wants. He can fully manipulate his amaterasu. He literally used enton kagutsuchi with combination of his sword. He can easily throw out amaterasu from his sword like he did in latest manga chapters. Naruto would be the one who is dodging. And sasuke will never even go in close range with naruto since naruto's speed is too fast. He will use the same tactic deidara used against him which is a basic tactic.

Even without all this, Naruto is blitzing him with speed faster than Raikage. He'd be better suited trying to activate Susanoo instead of trying to amaterasu him. In the scan you provided, there is clearly room for more than one person inside Amaterasu ring, and the reason being is because Sasuke can't allow himself to get too close to the flames because they will burn him too. Naruto is faster than Amaterasu, so Naruto would end up within the ring before it would be able to keep him out.

Naruto is faster than amaterasu XD???
As you said Amaterasu don't travel, it gets summoned on the target. Which is similar to teleportation. Only ftg is faster than amaterasu i suppose.
Sasuke won't get affected by his own amaterasu , lol .

If that's the card you feel the need to play then ok we can throw out that logic.
Like you said, if it didn't happen in the manga it's only an assumption. That was Madara and Obito, not Sasuke. So you according to your own rules you can't use that arguement. Also, Madara being able to see far away does not give the distance that a byakugan would give. Seeing far away can mean different things to different people.

And as far as Obito and Madara, we don't know if they actually "saw" anything. It could've been the juubi who was able to see the headquarters. It was the one that attacked after all. They could've commanded it to "find and hit the headquarters". We know that Obito had intel on everything about the shinobi alliance including the location of various spots such as where they were keeping the futile lords. He most likely knew the wherabouts to headquarters as well. A simple understanding of positioning would've given him the ability to know where it was without seeing it. Either way there's no proof either of them saw anything so that is an assumption as well

Your argument was "sharingan" cannot see far away and i countered it by two instances given in manga.
There is no need for sasuke to see as good as byakugan, it can see far away which means he can go to far distances without problems.
Obito has been teleporting near naruto to attack him from behind, he cannot do it without seeing them as he wont know where they are standing. Intel has nothing to do with this, since intel alone can't tell you location of your opponent unless he is standing on one place,forever :|.

if i missed out a point let me know .

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I would counter all other arguments later, keep em coming

 

[Gakido]

I've lost faith in Sasuke fans :/

Good thing I went over to the Naruto/Jinchuriki & Madara fancamp that Demonic started lol

 

[iNotorious]

Until Sauske's Susnao'o Tanks the Juubi's Bijuu Laser Beam, you can GTFO our faces.

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Or until Sasuke's Susnao'o tanks this

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...or 6 TBBs at the same time.

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You can GTFO our faces.​

Lmao dude, Like a boss!

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

i remember how desperate sasuke fans were when naruto was fighting the war and kages
they kept crying like kids and saying the same thing over and over again
"OMYGAWD KISHI WILL MAKE NARUTO AND SASUKE EQUAL, THEY ARE EQUALS UWAAAAA!"

and now this



good to see that they have revealed their true colours

lmfao
/thread

 

[AGoodBoy]

Sasuke => Naruto but you did a bad job of showing how.


The only thing naruto has that can possibly break a V2+ Susano'o is maybe a Tbb. And even then that's unlikely since madara showed he could tank that shit with susano'o. Because of that, naruto will always be on Defence until he can figure out openings.

Add to this the fact that naruto's summonings are more than countered by sasuke's snakes sends this fight into sasuke's favor. Sasuke can both summon aoda and a few snakes, then summon his hawk to go aerial. From there, it's a rain storm for naruto at best.

Shadow clones, speed, rasengan variants, etc lose all meaning against an enton cloaked susano'o. Naruto's speed will be his only defence in this fight as he'd havee to try to constantly dodge sasuke's attacks whereas sasuke can camp on a haxed defence.

Senju > Uchiha but an EMS madara was still able to fight toe to toe with hashirama for hours. Even almost winning. Naruto isn't a senju. Naruto dies; He needs another power boost first.

 

[Fodder#4]

I'unno why you'd think that; Sasuke can't compete. Isn't Naruto only in the KCM right now?

Plus, Sasuke won't be around for very long.... Might as well go pick a new favorite character to debate for. Dat' body belongs to Orochimaru!

 

[Uchiha Style]

The only sad thing is people are still too stupid to realize they have been trolled.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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I am bored and want to have a debate. Anyone who is interested can post his arguments here. It would be good if you avoid cursing. Anyone can join this debate anytime he wants.

I am taking EMS Sasuke ofcourse

P.S : There is NO NEED to read the whole thread since its going to be very long, you can pick the specific sub topic of your choice and counter it.
Ok so lets get started.

We know naruto is a very fast ninja and his speed is his biggest advantage, he also have Monstrous jutsu like bijju dama which can do some serious damage and then we have the Big ass BM cloak which can protect him from pretty much anything. So basically these are highlights which would give EMS sasuke trouble...

I will be countering all of naruto's techniques now.

1. Bijju Dama

So as bee explained when he was training naruto, Bijju dama requires an exact chakra ratio of 8:2 (yin:yang) and if the ratio is not accurate or disturbed , the bijju dama will fail or explode on user himself .

Countering biiju dama is very easy for Sasuke because he has a better jutsu(imo) in his arsenal, Amaterasu.
As you know, bijju dama takes time to form, then naruto has to carefully aim at his target and then shoot it and then it takes some time to reach the target and then it explodes and it is not even necessary that it will explode, it can also be "caught" like a ball.
So yeah, While naruto is forming bijju dama, sasuke can use amaterasu on it while its forming which will disturb the chakra ratio and explode.

Also, bijju dama is only effective in long range combat , since in mid-close range , even the user will take on some damage as the radius of bijju dama is huge(depends on his size) .
And a smaller bijju dama (mimi bijju dama) is useless again something like susano (that is if naruto can get close to sasuke)

2. BM speed.

As we can see, naruto's speed is greatly increased in BM mode.
So how to counter that? Well, its easy...

If you remember, in sasuke vs deidara fight, sasuke was too fast for deidara so , what deidara do was go aerial.
Yes thats exactly what sasuke will be doing , since he is probably the best long range fighter.
So sasuke will summon his hawk and fly to a certain height . No matter what naruto do, he cannot fly, he can jump high but not fly. Even with his extended chakra hands, he cannot reach sasuke because sasuke can use his hawk to fly to great heights.

Now some people say, naruto is too fast for sasuke , which i think is the crappiest argument i have ever heard :sy:
Against the almighty EMS , no one is fast.

Madara,obito,itachi and nagato didn't have any problem in keeping up with KM/BM naruto's speed.
Kakashi was able to kamui BM naruto even when he was rushing towards obito.

So , kakashi , by using his MS, was able to see naruto, aim his kamui at him, time it properly and kamui him .
Now , sasuke has EMS and EMS > MS...

I can give one more example. MS itachi defending himself from kirin.
Now as you all can see, kirin is very very fast jutsu . Its basically faster than speed of sound. Even then, itachi was able to see through kirin and form a susano in time.

Kirin speed >>>>>> BM naruto speed, still MS itachi was able to react to it in time.
Sasuke has EMS (which also includes itachi's eyes) so there is no possible way for naruto to be too fast for sasuke and sasuke can see him easily...

And you know what, amaterasu burns what the users sees Lol.

And yeah, i almost forgot, people keep bringing that shitty argument that raikage dodged amaterasu.
Well yes he did, but you should also keep other facts in mind . In that case, raikage was in close range with sasuke,
Amaterasu is basically a mid-long range jutsu and not so effective in close range, so yes even naruto can dodge amaterasu in close range but only in close range.

In long range , even in real life, the area we can see , increases. So in long range, there is no possible way for naruto to dodge amaterasu and lets assume even if manages to dodge it, he has to keep running since sasuke can spam amaterasu which will not be considered fighting but only running.

So yeah, Sasuke can easily see BM naruto even with his high speed . He can amaterasu him in mid-long range.
With amaterasu, sasuke can restrict BM naruto's movements(as seen in his fight against kabuto) .

3. BM cloak.

Not much to say in this topic, BM cloak is basically a liability to naruto in this fight.
Sasuke's offense is amaterasu. Sasuke can amaterasu him , BM cloak doesn't protect him from amaterasu.
You can see, in raikage vs sasuke fight, amaterasu burnt raikage hand even when he was wearing his armour which means amaterasu can burn the body directly even when armour is present.

4. Kage Bunshins.
pretty much this.

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5. Summoning

Amaterasu > summoning.
Also naruto would not want to risk his summoning like that.

6. Rasengan
Chidori !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7. Sexy no jutsu.
:|

8. Sage mode
It requires too much time for naruto to come into SM . Also naruto has to stay at one place and he can't run and get into SM at same time. So basically in such situation, naruto would be begging to get amaterasu.

9. Sensing.
Naruto failed to sense amaterasu in KM (against itachi fight) .
Maybe he can sense in SM but there is no manga proof for that. He can go into SM (read point 8) , so that hardly matters.
Sensing might help him a bit in the battle though.

10. Flying rasen shuriken.
Same as biiju dama. Most likely susano can tank it.

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i am still bored

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Oh ya, i forgot to mention one thing.

INTELLIGENCE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAW POWER.

We have seen number of times, an intelligent ninja, despite of being physically weaker than the opposing side, wins the match.

Like shikamaru fights, itachi fights (against nagato,kabuto for example) etc.

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1. It took a final susanoo roughly 20X the size of Sasuke's own to do that. and it exploded anyway

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Does this look like it needs precision aiming to you?

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2.what makes you think Naruto can't hit it with ranged jutsu like ransenshuriken or that Sasuke can defend his hawk from it? It's not a matter of reaction, he's not stopping his strongest attacks when he hits from behind. You have no proof that Kirin>BM speed, so don't use it as an example. As for amaterasu, BM Naruto is leagues above A in speed. He can dodge it. Sasuke managed to evade it with curse mark for a bit.

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Itachi did want to hit Sasuke with amaterasu and BM>>>>>>curse mark since it only=jinchuriki version one.

3. true, but Naruto can get rid of the cloak when it's a problem and the distance between Naruto and his cloak>>>>distance between A's arm and his armor.

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4. They can dodge. Seriously Naruto's clones are>>>>>>Kabuto's speed and he dodged his arrow, one of his fastest techniques!

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That look says it all. That arrow's his fastest susanoo technique.


5. correct

6. massive ransengan>>>>>chidori. Tailed beast ransengan (which is done one-handed) even more so.

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7.agreed

8. Uses shadow clones in reserve to enter it. He no longer is limited to using
9. You've only been reading arcs with Sasuke haven't you?

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SM Naruto can distinguish a single person's chakra in an entire city. KM Naruto can sense an attack incoming well enough to block it while blinded. Also, he probably couldn't sense amaterasu since Itachi is anything but malicious.

 

[Gakido]

*Bump...........

 

[Kaede]

Sasuke solo's.