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Itachi solos mid diff.... yata mirror and totsuka combo plus heavy genjutsu is waaaay too OP for any character to overcome... without itachi Hashirama should solo the list high diff
[VS] [Debate] Six Hokage vs Team Uchiha
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Master Omi
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Shisui still can koto 2 other shinobi, even if he doesn't koto Hashi. Tsunade, Kakashi and Hiruzen are fair game. Kakashi is unlikely to use Kage Bunshin (KB), considering it isn't his fighting style to use KB for anything other than feints, Hiruzen is old and his chakra supply is dwindling, so he probably wouldn't use KB unless he had too. Tsunade doesn't know how to use KB either. All of those who use KB are susceptible to Tsukuyomi, too.
Koto can be used at any range, according to the databook, so it's unlikely the Danzo incident, that only happened in the anime would happen.
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n!gga thats anime. it don't count. And 10 year cooldown dont mean shit, since both are available at the start of this fight.
As always people really dont understand how abilities work lol
easy win for uchiha
shishu KA's Kakashi
Kakashi Kamui snipes Minato and Tobirama
Obito Kamui's Tsunade
Sasuke Itachi and Madara steam roll Hashirama with 2x PS 1 Yata/totsuka Susanoo and Amaterasu.
easy win for uchiha
shishu KA's Kakashi
Kakashi Kamui snipes Minato and Tobirama
Obito Kamui's Tsunade
Sasuke Itachi and Madara steam roll Hashirama with 2x PS 1 Yata/totsuka Susanoo and Amaterasu.
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Pretty much everyone is susceptible to Koto given that it was made to activate against Itachi's own eyes, which would then be a set of EMS if held by Sasuke. If Shisui has any faith in his abilities, he would chain Hashirama so fucking fast. Honestly, team Uchiha simply wins this. Danzo & Itachi can use Koto with one eye, so Shisui can use Koto on two targets as well. Not that it actually matters who his second target is, stealing Hashirama is already a win.
Bro, NB members nowadays can't debate worth shit.
If you have nothing worthwhile to add to this thread, then leave wtf?
Your addition to the thread is irrelevant at this point due to the fact you still have the "this move wins" mindset and will not even consider the Hokage's techniques.
The Manga stated Danzo stole Shisui's eyes and it was depicted in the Anime which is why I used that as a reference.
It is not fanfic that Danzo got away with Shisui's eyes, so don't overlook it as some filler.
It's also already been addressed in this thread but is continuously ignored by those who religiously live by the fanfic where a single genjutsu means you instantly win a fight.
Your post is irrelevant.
If you have nothing worthwhile to add to this thread, then leave wtf?
Do you realize how dumb you sound saying Kakashi, who is known for using Shadow Clones, wouldn't use Shadow Clones because he only uses Shadow Clones to do what Shadow Clones are made for? (which is faking?)
Your addition to the thread is irrelevant at this point due to the fact you still have the "this move wins" mindset and will not even consider the Hokage's techniques.
The Manga stated Danzo stole Shisui's eyes and it was depicted in the Anime which is why I used that as a reference.
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Please leave this thread.
Shadow Clones and Bringer of Darkness make Genjutsu useless.
It's also already been addressed in this thread but is continuously ignored by those who religiously live by the fanfic where a single genjutsu means you instantly win a fight.
Your post is irrelevant.
Master Omi
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- The important point is Kakashi won't use KB just to escape genjutsu, while in character and he has to create an opportunity if he is going to use KB for feints.
- I'm curious, what do you think about the Hokage's moves and how they win with them? If you think there isn't any OHKO's being done, than that means; no Mokuton GG, no Flying Thunder God (FTG) GG, No Katsuya slime GG, no Rasengan GG, no Bijudama GG, no speed Blitz GG.
- The anime fight with Danzo is 99% filler, the only thing that we know happened in the manga is that Danzo took Shisui's eye. As far as the circumstances of the fight are concerned, there's nothing known. Anything could of happened, Danzo could of had one of his ANBU, poison and than while he's weak take he took his eye, literally anything could of happened. The Danzo thing can't be used as evidence for anything.
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Itachi can cast genjutsu through his crows. He has been stated to fully control a person with his illusions. How does Hashirama break out of it? Minato can't break out of it whatsover given his lack of feats not to mention even hype. Bringer of darkness can be deflected with superior doujutsu. Sasuke can cover the five in Enton barricades and kill the approaching enemy. Or they can hide behind the Yata Mirror. I doubt ST can warp spiritual objects like former and Totsuka. Itachi's speed is instant; he tangoed and almost killed Bee in a CQC fight. Warping is impossible I believe, in this certain scenario. So, he (Itachi) isn't losing in a battle of speed. I don't wanna hear the piss poor excuse that is Naruto was holding back. Been there, done it. Let's call it a day. Sasuke can also use a subtle genjutsu and trap a war veteran like Danzo who lived Tobirama's time period, saying it'll trick him (Tobirama) isn't a stretch in all honesty. He could lure him into the trap he lays for him, ie; luring him into Enton Kagutsuchi and Susano'o's arm shattering strength, which he used against Danzo. Koto oneshots once he looks at them. Tsukiyomi can also probably oneshot ( Itachi have hinted to not require eye contact to cast his genjutsu in the manga; iirc he did it in the novels though it might not be canon).
Uchihas win. They outsmart the Hokage team in all categories in my opinion.
Uchihas win. They outsmart the Hokage team in all categories in my opinion.
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Don't be a twat. Team Uchiha is full of intelligent fighters & Madara can literally discern clones if his assistance is needed. The OP even says to take into account people's personality & what we know is that the Hokages in general don't use clones all day long. 2 of them may be incapable of creating more than about 5, Kakashi & Minato, and 1 has literally never used a single clone the entire manga, Tsunade.
I didn't bother providing a counter explanation to clones simply because I didn't view the argument as strong enough. Same for your Bringer of Darkness argument. Why the **** would a genjutsu from a Senju be effective on an Uchiha? There's a reason Hashirama never used it on Obito or Madara. Now compare Obito & Madara's fortes to Shisui's own. Shisui's forte IS genjutsu, Bringer of Darkness is not stopping him.
And you really can't believe Shisui actually fought Danzo if Shisui wanted Danzo's plans to be carried out. Danzo fell to Sasuke's MS genjutsu despite it being inferior to Itachi's own MS, do you really think Shisui couldn't snare Danzo with Koto, which is considered the strongest genjutsu outside of IT?
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Only to protect a teammate from Kisame, the KB didn't actually fight or feint anyone.
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. But im glad you recognize that kakashi one upped itachi twice
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irrelevant the point of the clone was to get around itachi's genjutsu and hold him down. Which ultimately means he in fact does use clones to get around genjutsu.
Master Omi
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Kakashi didn't say he was using the clone to get around genjutsu, I mean we can speculate, but he never really said it. He was doing fine getting around genjutsu, beforehand using the method Gai taught him.irrelevant the point of the clone was to get around itachi's genjutsu and hold him down. Which ultimately means he in fact does use clones to get around genjutsu.
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Itachi had no surprise in his facial expressions. He was likely acting like he got fooled. I find it hard to believe a trained assassin and bunshin expert like him to fall for such tricks.