[Debate] Naruto and Sasuke a comparison

[-Best-]

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There are Four points I would like to specify before proceeding further.
1. This is purely a Logic based Debate thread and not a versus thread, so no fanboyism or spamming with your fan-boy bullshit.
2. People are requested to post your thought in a clear and understandable way so that everybody can understand what you are trying to say.
3. Any flaming comments like 'Lord Sasuke solos' 'My fav solo's your fav' 'Naruto is a fodder' 'It's only borrowed power' will not be tolerated and will be reported.
4. This thread doesn't include the latest manga chapter as nothing is confirmed yet and also to avoid flaming and chaos within the thread.

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Please abide by the above rules and let's make this a more enjoyable and logical debate rather than just a flame war.
Am really sick of the pointless threads.
Any Breaking of the above 4 will be repoted.

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Naruto and Sasuke
A Comparison on only the abilities during the various timelines and it has nothing to do with the future chapter of the series.

Part 1 Genin:

Naruto	Kage Bunshin. Little Fighting skills.
Sasuke	Katon Ninjutsu. Pretty good fighting skills.

I personally think Naruto is far beneath sasuke in this particular case.
Discuss.

Part 1 Chunin exam arc:

Naruto	Legendary Rasengan Toad Summoning Improved fighting skills
Sasuke	Chidori. Imperfect Curse mark.

In this we can say that Naruto is some what greater than sasuke one and only because of the summoning jutsu.
Rasengan is not equal to a curse mark chidori. But a 2 tailed Kyubbi chakra rasengan is indeed Equal.

Part 2 Introduction:

Naruto:	Rasengan variants. Proficiency with shadow clone. Excellent fighting skills. Summoning toads.
Sasuke:	Lightning mastery. Kenjutsu proficiency. Snake summoning. Perfect Curse mark. Katon element.

From this we can conclude that Sasuke > Naruto. But with the Naruto in 4 tailed mode though naruto can beat him we are not going to consider it as Naruto will not be in his control.

Part 2 Itachi and J-man Death and Pain Invasion:

Naruto:	Rasen shuriken. Sage mode. Rasengan variants. Proficiency with shadow clones. Summoning jutsu. Frog Kumite.
Sasuke:	Mangekyo Sharingan. Susano's Ultimate defence. Amaterasu. Lightning mastery.

From this we can come to a conclusion after the debate us we don't know naruto may even dodge the amaterasu with Shadow clones or we still don't know the full extent of sage mode.
But according to me Sasuke is >= Naruto.

Part 2 War arc:

Naruto	KCM Speed Blitz Rasengan Variants. Chakra sensing.
Sasuke	MS Amaterasu Susano. Ligtning mastery

Naruto's speed was even faster than that of the Raikage. So if raikage can dodge the Amaterasu why not Naruto?
Naruto > Sasuke.Sasuke doesn't posses the EMS though.

Part 2: Present Naruto and Sasuke(excluding the latest chapter)

Naruto	BSM Un affected by Genjutsu. Speed blitz Bijju dhama
Sasuke	EMS Perfect susano. comparatively much improved speed and sensing.

Well even though Sasuke has got the EMS , Naruto will still beat him.
Let's see others opinion though.

Al-right Start to Discuss.
Remember to abide by the Rules.
Only Logical Debate and No Spamming and Flaming.
Support you post with manga scans or Manga proof.
NarutoBase general rules apply.!
Have a Happy and Logical Debating. ​

 

[Pirate King]

So basically Naruto wins, I knew that much

 

[moe6142]

Sasuke is stronger for now.

 

[- J AV -]

This thread will soon Turn into illogical debate,,

Nice try though,,,,

 

[AGoodBoy]

>"Un affected by Genjutsu."
Idk where everyone gets this, but it's rubbish. Genjutsu affects him, just not for long.

 

[-Best-]

What happened to the Best debaters of NB?? guys we need you.!

>"Un affected by Genjutsu."
Idk where everyone gets this, but it's rubbish. Genjutsu affects him, just not for long.

How do you say so sir? The Tailed beast can break them free from genjutsu. It is a Manga fact.! It's not rubbish.! U_U

 

[Optimistic]

I agree there's nothing more to add.

>"Un affected by Genjutsu."
Idk where everyone gets this, but it's rubbish. Genjutsu affects him, just not for long.

It is kind of sad how people don't remember Bee getting caught, gotta love NB.

 

[AGoodBoy]

What happened to the Best debaters of NB?? guys we need you.!

I trashed them all when I got turnt up.
It's too annoying to get turnt up.

 

[Kαmi]

>"Un affected by Genjutsu."
Idk where everyone gets this, but it's rubbish. Genjutsu affects him, just not for long.

This, genjutsu can still be a factor just not a big one. But a temporary genjutsu can lead to an opening which can be devastating for two such powerful fighters.

 

[Prince Charles]

You said part 2 introduction naruto has perfect fighting skills? Highly false. But part 2 introduction sasuke rapes naruto like the fodder he was with ease.

 

[-Best-]

This, genjutsu can still be a factor just not a big one. But a temporary genjutsu can lead to an opening which can be devastating for two such powerful fighters.

Indeed I agree.! That's something that has to be considered.!

You said part 2 introduction naruto has perfect fighting skills? Highly false. But part 2 introduction sasuke rapes naruto like the fodder he was with ease.

I didn't say perfect , I only mentioned it to be excellent theres a lot of diff between excellent and perfect my son.! U_U
and I Indeed metion Sasuke > naruto during that time.!

 

[Kurome]

you'll be called a fanboy if you try to make a conversation with Sasuke fanboys. U_U

Doesn't he like get reported for flaming and spamming in this thread? :|

OT: Your analyse is pretty good. If we don't include the last chapter, i say naruto and sasuke are equals, more or less.

 

[Snape Uchiha]

I think your points are mostly correct. While I agree that Naruto is probably the stronger of the 2 in the war, Naruto is not immune to Genjutsu.

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Genjutsu has the ability to affect a perfect jinchuriki, but he can be snapped out. If Itachi's was only a little bit faster, he would have struck Bee before Gyuuki snapped him out.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Doesn't he like get reported for flaming and spamming in this thread? :|

OT: Your analyse is pretty good. If we don't include the last chapter, i say naruto and sasuke are equals, more or less.

What is your definition of "equals" when you add "more or less"?
OT : ................

 

[-Best-]

I think your points are mostly correct. While I agree that Naruto is probably the stronger of the 2 in the war, Naruto is not immune to Genjutsu.

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Genjutsu has the ability to affect a perfect jinchuriki, but he can be snapped out. If Itachi's was only a little bit faster, he would have struck Bee before Gyuuki snapped him out.

Yes my Friend.! I agree.!

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Why did you stop at the chunin exams? What about the Sasuke retrieval arc? I mean how can you ignore the fight between the 2 with all the abilities they gained and used in the final valley?

 

[-Best-]

Why did you stop at the chunin exams? What about the Sasuke retrieval arc? I mean how can you ignore the fight between the 2 with all the abilities they gained and used in the final valley?

I just summed up that in the comment I gave for that arc.!

 

[Kurome]

What is your definition of "equals" when you add "more or less"?
OT : ................

More or less, meaning that in certain circumstances (location, weather) one may be slightly better than the other..depends on who takes advantage of the surroundings, too U_U

 

[The Sach]

Who wins(in my opinion)
Part 1 Genin:Sasuke
Part 1 Chunin exam arc:Tie, Naruto=Sasuke
Part 2 Introduction:Sasuke
Part 2 Itachi and J-man Death and Pain Invasion:Tie.
Part 2 War arc:Naruto
Part 2: Present Naruto and Sasuke(excluding the latest chapter):Naruto

 

[Kaneki Kun]

I just summed up that in the comment I gave for that arc.!

Yes I saw that, buts it's misleading. You can't just sum up all their abilities and such that they earned through the whole part 1 into the chunin exams. (Especially since you didn't even mention things like the 3tomoe sharingan sasuke unlocked, etc)