You guys already know what the deal is, IM TURNT UP~
Ill start off very basic but very informative. Jiraiya using katon techniques in this match will be very useless considering Itachi himself has already shown enough fire power of his own to fend off or counter Jiraiyas Katon with the use of
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which is more than enough to counters Jiraiyas katon base techniques. Also a different alternative to countering jiraiyas katon is simply copying his own katon with the sharigans predictive abilities. We are all aware of the fact that sharigan can predict the enemies move via handseal as shown against zabuzu when kakashi copied his Suiton technique perfectly[
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he will know when Jiraiya is pulling off a katon base technique ( one that doesnt require gamabunta obviously but jman himself) and instantly copy it with his sharigan and perform it faster at jiraiya with his hand seal speed praised so much.
Counter to Jmans toad flame bullet.The technique shown is presented in the scan[
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I believe a legit counter to this would Amaterasu as shown in the manga fire simply fuels Amaterasu making larger and powerful and will turn fire back at jiraiya injuring him and gamabunta. I will provide the scan supporting my claim flames fueling amaterasu[
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Jirayas toads should be no problem here
Honestly a small portion of amaterasu should be enough to injure the toads and cease movement.
A simple genjutsu honestly pretty much ends this.
As shown in the hallway in part 1 even having knowledge on Itachi being a powerful Uchiha and having the sharigan activated at that moment he still stupidly makes eye to eye contact with him.[
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] Idk if he was being arrogant or over confident. Either way it just goes to show vulnerable Jiraiya is to itachis genjutsu which is a pretty much decider in this fight.A simple tysukuyomi will and can end this fight very easily. One can argue that Jiraiya will now know not to look into itachis eyes.
Even so this will be utterly useless as seeing Itachi has been shown to be able to use his crow summoning to put people under genjutsu.[
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] Jiraiya has no knowledge that itachi crows can use genjutsu so he will utterly fall victim to it and get decapitated while under the genjutsu. This is really important, one should note that it was actually a clone that put naruto under that genjutsu with the use of crows.[
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] This shows how itachi utilizes his clones to put people in genjutsu, with his fast hand seal speed he can easily make multiple crow clones and use them as a way to put jiraiya under a genjutsu and Itachi will cease the moment to kill jiraiya while his under the genjutsu.
Even if jiraiya manages to enter sm, the only useful move would be to use Frog song but its too flawed.stated by Pa the frog song takes a considerable amount of time to take effect and it gives away their location if jiraiya and them plan on doing it from a secure location on jiraiya[
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and when i say considerable time i actually quite a while as shown against the pains. Here is when the frog songs starts.[
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Through all this is when the frog song actually takes effect in sequence, i skip no pages.[
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All the scans i provided 1-10 show the frog tech first taking place to the moment where it finally takes effect, it simply takes too long. One could argue it took longer because it was being used on more than one enemy which seems plausible but thats merely an assumption. Manga shows the frog song simply takes too long which will leave jiraiya vulnerable for a amaterasu.
No one ever specified that comments weren't welcome. I simply commented on a thread in the versus threads and offered my opinion. I didn't break any rules. I didn't do anything wrong. I merely commented on a thread which is basically the sole purpose for anyone to be on here..
No one ever specified that comments weren't welcome. I simply commented on a thread in the versus threads and offered my opinion. I didn't break any rules. I didn't do anything wrong. I merely commented on a thread which is basically the sole purpose for anyone to be on here..
No one ever specified that comments weren't welcome. I simply commented on a thread in the versus threads and offered my opinion. I didn't break any rules. I didn't do anything wrong. I merely commented on a thread which is basically the sole purpose for anyone to be on here..
I dont comment in debate threads between two people. Other threads are open for opinions, while this thread clearly has the names of the people participating......
I dont comment in debate threads between two people. Other threads are open for opinions, while this thread clearly has the names of the people participating......
Considering Prince Charles and I already sorted it out I really don't have anything to say to you. Eventually you'll learn that you can't always expect people to follow rules. Especially un-said imaginary rules that suit only one side of something.
Considering Prince Charles and I already sorted it out I really don't have anything to say to you. Eventually you'll learn that you can't always expect people to follow rules. Especially un-said imaginary rules that suit only one side of something.
Ohh shit when i was already almost at the end of my rebutal, my computer stopped working for no reasons and i was forced to restart it again so i lost all the arguments -_- Now i'm typing with my phone wtf
Ill start off very basic but very informative. Jiraiya using katon techniques in this match will be very useless considering Itachi himself has already shown enough fire power of his own to fend off or counter Jiraiyas Katon with the use of
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which is more than enough to counters Jiraiyas katon base techniques.
Also a different alternative to countering jiraiyas katon is simply copying his own katon with the sharigans predictive abilities. We are all aware of the fact that sharigan can predict the enemies move via handseal as shown against zabuzu when kakashi copied his Suiton technique perfectly[
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] Now in Itachi's case he will be doing the jutsu much more faster due to his amazing hand seal speed as praised by kurenai and kakashi.[
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he will know when Jiraiya is pulling off a katon base technique ( one that doesnt require gamabunta obviously but jman himself) and instantly copy it with his sharigan and perform it faster at jiraiya with his hand seal speed praised so much.
Counter to Jmans toad flame bullet.The technique shown is presented in the scan[
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I believe a legit counter to this would Amaterasu as shown in the manga fire simply fuels Amaterasu making larger and powerful and will turn fire back at jiraiya injuring him and gamabunta. I will provide the scan supporting my claim flames fueling amaterasu[
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Jirayas toads should be no problem here
Honestly a small portion of amaterasu should be enough to injure the toads and cease movement.
A simple genjutsu honestly pretty much ends this.
As shown in the hallway in part 1 even having knowledge on Itachi being a powerful Uchiha and having the sharigan activated at that moment he still stupidly makes eye to eye contact with him.[
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] Idk if he was being arrogant or over confident. Either way it just goes to show vulnerable Jiraiya is to itachis genjutsu which is a pretty much decider in this fight.A simple tysukuyomi will and can end this fight very easily. One can argue that Jiraiya will now know not to look into itachis eyes.
Even so this will be utterly useless as seeing Itachi has been shown to be able to use his crow summoning to put people under genjutsu.[
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][
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] Jiraiya has no knowledge that itachi crows can use genjutsu so he will utterly fall victim to it and get decapitated while under the genjutsu. This is really important, one should note that it was actually a clone that put naruto under that genjutsu with the use of crows.[
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] This shows how itachi utilizes his clones to put people in genjutsu, with his fast hand seal speed he can easily make multiple crow clones and use them as a way to put jiraiya under a genjutsu and Itachi will cease the moment to kill jiraiya while his under the genjutsu.
Even if jiraiya manages to enter sm, the only useful move would be to use Frog song but its too flawed.stated by Pa the frog song takes a considerable amount of time to take effect and it gives away their location if jiraiya and them plan on doing it from a secure location on jiraiya[
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and when i say considerable time i actually quite a while as shown against the pains. Here is when the frog songs starts.[
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Through all this is when the frog song actually takes effect in sequence, i skip no pages.[
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All the scans i provided 1-10 show the frog tech first taking place to the moment where it finally takes effect, it simply takes too long. One could argue it took longer because it was being used on more than one enemy which seems plausible but thats merely an assumption. Manga shows the frog song simply takes too long which will leave jiraiya vulnerable for a amaterasu.
So for Itachi to actually even start thinking about puting Jiraya in a genjutsu, it would have to happen in a close range battle. Here is where the problem begins since Jiraya is a long range fighter using and abusing of his superior ninjutsu
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Jiraya being a long range fighter, Itachi would have difficuties to find opportunities to place Jiraya in a genjutsu and take advantage of it.
Also, contrary to the popular belief, Kai release can break out of any genjutsus including Itachi's. The reason why Itachi's tsukuyomi is unbreakable is not because of the power of it, but because it takes time in few seconds, so not giving time to the opponent to use kai release and break it. Now it depends on the users skills while using the kai release method. Like Jiraya said, to break genjutsu, you must try your best to stop your chakra flow
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. Doing that will break any genjutsu. That's
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Jiraya
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, the one he used on a woman to distract him, something that Itachi noticed, which shows he is skilfull in breaking genjutsus
Naruto for example was capable to break
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that Itachi gave, but still wasn't able to overcome the genjutsu completely. The reason behind this, Itachi already gave it himself. It's because he
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. That again shows that a more skilful kai release user could have broken Itachi's genjutsu completely
Another example is the Orochimaru vs Itachi battle. Itachi managed to put Orochimaru in
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. Since Kai release needs both hands to be together to be performed, it's for that reason Orochimaru struggled to break it. But Orochimaru could have broken it if he managed to put his hands together in time. He was already close to it even. It's for that reason that
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So like you can see, breaking Itachi's genjutsu isn't impossible at all, far from it actually. Depends now on the opponents skills in using the kai release method. But in general, genjutsu is used to create a diversion for a following attack, not to defeat the enemy
Those are the reasons why i believe that Jiraya could have broken Itachi's genjutsu if necessary. He has already shown the skill even. But would Itachi allow it to happen? That's probably where the real debate is
Anyway, like Jiraya also said, if yourself is incapable to break a genjutsu,
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. Jiraya always starts battles with summons as partners [
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So even if either of them was caught in a genjutsu at some point, the other will make him free from it exactly like a Jinchuriki's method for example. Gamabunta has shown the capacity
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, so he could use this method that would break Jiraya free from it and vice verse
Those are the main reasons why i believe genjutsu won't be an issue in this fight
Ninjutsu superiority
Jiraya is one of the most skilful ninjutsu user in the entire manga. Minato even said he thinks
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that they were already trapped by Jiraya's jutsu from the start, which could be considered as a testament of Jiraya's skilful use of ninjutsu
Here is where the problem begins since Jiraya is a long range fighter using and abusing of his superior ninjutsu
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Or summons
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Talking about summons, my opponent forgot to talk about Gamabunta's help here. His suiton weree huge enough to even counter Shukaku's high level of fuuton technique(see above), so it will render Itachi's use of Katons meaningless and more importantly, Jiraya will even take advantage of it in the ninjutsu battle
Not only that, but like my opponent stated, Jiraya could also use combo attacks as powerful
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. Just to make you remember,
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, but himself look like shit compared to this jutsu. So Itachi won't survive if he receives an attack of this scale and unfortunately for him, he doesn't possess the ninjutsu arsenal to counter or even evade it
Jiraya also has high level of long range attacks thanks to his hair, capable to easily destroy huge summons
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Those are the reasons why i believe Jiraya would totally dominate the ninjutsu battle
How does Jiraya counters Amaterasu:
Jman already has
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. So he would be really cautious if he were to fight Itachi. Contrary to the popular belief, amaterasu is a
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that appears instantly withing a certain range, and from there begins
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the target(it's the reason why eventhough it almost appeared on Raikage, he had time to shunshin out of the way) and
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depending on where the user focuses. What i mean by that is that if a target is outside the range of amaterasu, it would be easier for him to notice it and therefore counter it with something in his arsenal. Sasuke for example was able
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during a while and use a
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to counter the jutsu. Killer-Bee also used a subtitution when he had no knowledge on the jutsu, and with knowledge he has shown that it was even able
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before he uses Amaterasu(which shows btw that Amaterasu needs some time of concentration to be released)
Jiraya who even already has knowledge on the jutsu. During the time Amaterasu would be released, he could use
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to protect himself and even
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at Itachi after that with his needle Senbon. Other method could be
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(burning a KB is useless).
Also, even without knowledge in part1, he directly created a counter for it in an instant with a
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How does Jiraya counter Susanoo:
Gaara helped us to know that
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. Well, Jiraya has a perfect counter for this with
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(Jiraya even said it was
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). It would totally make sink Itachi in this position with or without his Susanoo
If they are fighting in an enclosed area, Jiraya could capture him(Susanoo or not) in
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like he already did in part1. He can also create an opening to capture him in the
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like he did against Pain
Sasuke made us understand
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because of sound vibration. Well, Pa and Ma have
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(able to paralyse Pain summons). With this jutsu, it would be easy for SM Jiraya to paralyse Itachi and finish him either with his
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or even something else in his arsenal.
We also know thanks to Kabuto, that
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, so Pa and Ma use this and he is done for:
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Stamina advantage:
Jiraya undoubtely has the stamina advantage since his chakra was huge enough to even allow him to use Sage Mode. He was spamming techniques since he entered Pain's territory and i never saw him run out of stamina in the entire manga. On the contrary, most of Itachi's powerful techniques take a lot of tole on his body.
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with more than
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and
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use of it
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greatly. It also gives the opportunity to the opponent to take advantage of it and finish him off
take your time xd