debate about tryvon case?

[Josh]

true not to familiar with the case. also not sure how lawas work in america but if you have a permit for a handgun does the law say that your only allowed to use it on your property and cant be carried off. i dunno the laws. but if he killed the kid shouldnt he have been arrested for manslaughter regardless if it were self defence until proven in court otherwise and not been able to just walk home after the incident. and if roles where reversed im pretty sure trayvon would have been sentenced the next day to life behind bars.

You can carry the handgun anywhere within the state (except certain buildings and certain events), except it is a permit to carry only, not use.

The only times you are permitted to use the gun (separate laws from the law allowing you to carry the gun) is in cases of self-defense where you feel that if you do not act immediately, you may lose your life or suffer serious bodily injury; in order to prevent a forcible felony (Armed robbery, rape, murder, etc...) occurring; to protect your property; or to defend another person where, if you were in their position, you believe they would use the gun to prevent their own loss of life or their own serious bodily injury.

Zimmerman's case (from his statements) will most likely proceed as follows: He encountered Treyvon and went to ask him why he was in the neighborhood. Trevyon became hostile and began reaching for something. Fearing it was a weapon, I (Zimmerman) drew my own weapon. Upon drawing my weapon, Treyvon punched me in the face and began trying to take my weapon. Fearing that I was losing control of my weapon, I fired it in order to prevent Treyvon from retrieving it and using it against me.

If that isn't the way he says things happened, and the gunshot location doesn't corroborate this, it's going to be extremely difficult to prove he was justified in shooting an unarmed person.

He needs to establish 1. Why his weapon was out in the first place. and 2. why he felt that he would lose his life or experience serious bodily injury if he didn't pull the trigger.

The reality is it needed to be ruled a Justifiable Homicide by a magistrate because Zimmerman's statements alone are not enough for evidence.

 

[Swizzik]

Is this case going to be judged by a jury or a judge? If its a judge zimmerman has a chance if its a jury I see zimmerman going to jail.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

You can carry the handgun anywhere within the state (except certain buildings and certain events), except it is a permit to carry only, not use.

The only times you are permitted to use the gun (separate laws from the law allowing you to carry the gun) is in cases of self-defense where you feel that if you do not act immediately, you may lose your life or suffer serious bodily injury; in order to prevent a forcible felony (Armed robbery, rape, murder, etc...) occurring; to protect your property; or to defend another person where, if you were in their position, you believe they would use the gun to prevent their own loss of life or their own serious bodily injury.

Zimmerman's case (from his statements) will most likely proceed as follows: He encountered Treyvon and went to ask him why he was in the neighborhood. Trevyon became hostile and began reaching for something. Fearing it was a weapon, I (Zimmerman) drew my own weapon. Upon drawing my weapon, Treyvon punched me in the face and began trying to take my weapon. Fearing that I was losing control of my weapon, I fired it in order to prevent Treyvon from retrieving it and using it against me.

If that isn't the way he says things happened, and the gunshot location doesn't corroborate this, it's going to be extremely difficult to prove he was justified in shooting an unarmed person.

He needs to establish 1. Why his weapon was out in the first place. and 2. why he felt that he would lose his life or experience serious bodily injury if he didn't pull the trigger.

The reality is it needed to be ruled a Justifiable Homicide by a magistrate because Zimmerman's statements alone are not enough for evidence.

so with that being said what do you think is he guilty or not cuz i seen on a tape on the news him breaking into treyvons house and shooting him and treyvon was running from him. i dunno man thats crazy altogether .. but thanks

 

[Josh]

Is this case going to be judged by a jury or a judge? If its a judge zimmerman has a chance if its a jury I see zimmerman going to jail.

Well, first, all of the investigations have to be completed, and then the state has to charge him with either 1st degree or 2nd degree murder, or manslaughter. From that point, he will have the option to select trial by jury or a bench trial (Just a judge).

If the state goes for 1st degree (premeditated), Zimmerman will most likely walk. There isn't sufficient evidence (for now) for a jury to convict on the premeditation. They might have a chance with 2nd Degree, but there guaranteed jail time if they choose manslaughter, gun crimes, and possible hate crimes.

so with that being said what do you think is he guilty or not cuz i seen on a tape on the news him breaking into treyvons house and shooting him and treyvon was running from him. i dunno man thats crazy altogether .. but thanks

Well, he didn't break into the kid's home (to my knowledge). Is he guilty of premeditated murder? Too hard to prove and I think he would of outright shot the kid.

Did Treyvon start the fight? Possibly, but he was unarmed so the crime depends on how, when, and why Zimmerman brought his firearm into the fight and how he justifies that Treyvon was going to kill him or seriously injure him. He also would need to explain why he didn't listen to the Emergency dispatcher.

I can't rightly say who is guilty. Most likely both are at fault but at the end of the day, Treyvon was unarmed and he's dead. They need to prove that Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Swizzik]

Well, first, all of the investigations have to be completed, and then the state has to charge him with either 1st degree or 2nd degree murder, or manslaughter. From that point, he will have the option to select trial by jury or a bench trial (Just a judge).

If the state goes for 1st degree (premeditated), Zimmerman will most likely walk. There isn't sufficient evidence (for now) for a jury to convict on the premeditation. They might have a chance with 2nd Degree, but there guaranteed jail time if they choose manslaughter, gun crimes, and possible hate crimes.


Well, he didn't break into the kid's home (to my knowledge). Is he guilty of premeditated murder? Too hard to prove and I think he would of outright shot the kid.

Did Treyvon start the fight? Possibly, but he was unarmed so the crime depends on how, when, and why Zimmerman brought his firearm into the fight and how he justifies that Treyvon was going to kill him or seriously injure him. He also would need to explain why he didn't listen to the Emergency dispatcher.

I can't rightly say who is guilty. Most likely both are at fault but at the end of the day, Treyvon was unarmed and he's dead. They need to prove that Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.

I see.....

The whole thing is blown out of proportion the way I see it though. I think Zimmerman was just a bit too excited and the whole situation spiraled out of control. I honestly feel the problem with this case was that the police didn't do a good enough investigation at first. Then people started throwing the race card around. The Floridian self defense law is going to be under fire after this case.

 

[Josh]

I see.....

The whole thing is blown out of proportion the way I see it though. I think Zimmerman was just a bit too excited and the whole situation spiraled out of control. I honestly feel the problem with this case was that the police didn't do a good enough investigation at first. Then people started throwing the race card around. The Floridian self defense law is going to be under fire after this case.

That's pretty much the gist of it. If law enforcement had of done a full investigation, they would have questioned his self-defense claim, and locked him up until he saw a judge; the rest of the country would never have heard anything of it. Instead, they let him walk, people pulled the race card, and now it's gone national (even global) and this man's future is forever tainted. He'll have to leave the state.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

That's pretty much the gist of it. If law enforcement had of done a full investigation, they would have questioned his self-defense claim, and locked him up until he saw a judge; the rest of the country would never have heard anything of it. Instead, they let him walk, people pulled the race card, and now it's gone national (even global) and this man's future is forever tainted. He'll have to leave the state.

It isn't just him though, his mother in law lost her job over this. Sad really that someone who wasn't involved at all gets damaged because of it.

 

[Typhon]

That's pretty much the gist of it. If law enforcement had of done a full investigation, they would have questioned his self-defense claim, and locked him up until he saw a judge; the rest of the country would never have heard anything of it. Instead, they let him walk, people pulled the race card, and now it's gone national (even global) and this man's future is forever tainted. He'll have to leave the state.

Earlier you said that Zimmerman would have to prove he had reason to do what he did. But since the original investigation agreed with his version of events, isn't it on the Federal investigator to show that the events Zimmerman described are questionable? Meaning if the investigator can't find anything to the contrary that the case won't go to court.

Do you think the investigator can provide enough evidence to get this to court?

 

[Josh]

It isn't just him though, his mother in law lost her job over this. Sad really that someone who wasn't involved at all gets damaged because of it.

That's why law enforcement has to make sure they handle these types of things properly, otherwise "society" gets involved and it gets ugly. They start calling your house, sending you hate mail, protesting in front of your house, ridiculing you in public, trashing your facebook, and doing the same to anyone close to you. Even if they prove him innocent, there will be those who never believe it and his family will have to leave Florida for a few years until things become the past.

 

[thai sage]

Are you some sort of retard? You need to be kicked off of NB immediately.

I hate how people say this is a gat damn hate crime. First people say "Oh he was singled out because he was wearing a hoodie and looked suspicious." and then they call it racism.

If he was wearing a hoodie and Zimmerman was following him how did he know Martin was black?

If he was going there just to kill him how did Martin get close enough to break his nose and slam his head into the ground?

I wish you could think, but unfortunately you are one of those hate-mongering people who likes to stir things up.

really? You know the hoodie thing only came up recently, to say this isn't racism when he clearly called him an f'in coon or maybe you don't understand the meaning and history of the word. And where exactly did you get this idea that he broke his nose and slammed his head into the ground. Also explain to me how he was following the kid and then the kid some how magically got behind Zimmerman. I don't like to stir up racism but when it's clear as day, we should stand up against it.

Edit: also I don't think it's right that his family is getting trouble for this, cause they shouldnt be punished for something one man did. Oh and did you listen to his call to the police, he told the police he was black, so how did he know I don't know why don't you ask him?

 

[Seffy]

It's a sad situation and I think the guy should be sent to prison. The cops told him not to pursue him, but he did it anyways. How the hell does the aggressive attacker become seen as an innocent by stander. He should have just let him walk home and enjoy the bag of skittles that he had in his pocket, since that was the only thing he had on him. It's sad how racism distorts a person's thought for logic. There's just too much evil in this world and not enough kindness. U_U

 

[~Dream~]

I know this is out OF TOPIC BUT I AM PEIN YOU LIVE IN RICHMOND VANCOUVER? LOL I LIVE IN VANCOUVER SURREY! WE ARE LIKE 40 MINUTES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER LOL

 

[zombiejesus]

**** around got shot now there familmy is all bawl assing he did wrong ...didnt deservere to die but zimmerman shouldnt go to jail if zimmerman was black or that kid was white we never would of heard about it it it is reverse racisim and i could give two shits and a **** about it ****em both

 

[thai sage]

**** around got shot now there familmy is all bawl assing he did wrong ...didnt deservere to die but zimmerman shouldnt go to jail if zimmerman was black or that kid was white we never would of heard about it it it is reverse racisim and i could give two shits and a **** about it ****em both

Well if that were the case we wouldn't have heard about it cause Zimmerman would immediately be in jail. There is no such this as reverse racism, racism is racism

 

[zombiejesus]

Well if that were the case we wouldn't have heard about it cause Zimmerman would immediately be in jail. There is no such this as reverse racism, racism is racism

what i mean is if they werre bothe white or both black then there would be no story holey **** i am not the bad guy here i am not a racisst and theat man shotting a kid that attacked himn wasnt either but the black community ...jessie jackson and al sharpton who i think should shut the **** up are all over it and i dont know if nancy grace is on board but i hate that fat whie twat hope she chokes on a ho ho fat bitch

 

[Ryuu..]

That guy should be facing some serious prison time IMO.

 

[thai sage]

what i mean is if they werre bothe white or both black then there would be no story holey **** i am not the bad guy here i am not a racisst and theat man shotting a kid that attacked himn wasnt either but the black community ...jessie jackson and al sharpton who i think should shut the **** up are all over it and i dont know if nancy grace is on board but i hate that fat whie twat hope she chokes on a ho ho fat bitch

I'm not trying to call you a racist sorry if that's how you took it, but again if it was a white on white or black on black crime we wouldn't here about it, we wouldn't here about any other scenario because the person would be in jail and there would be no story, the fact is this man has yet to be arrested for shooting another person. Even if it was self defense I don't see how deadly force was necissary.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a hate mongering idiot, but I'm just a little frustrated and surprised, when I first heard this case I thought once it gets out there it's over, but aparently everyone wants to stand up for the one who's not dead, who doesn't seem to have the broken nose he described, and used a racial slur when refurring to a kid he was chasing down with a gun

 

[MangekyouJ]

Are you serious?? why bring that nonesense here...it's bad enough it's all over the news....and then you got all the facts wrong....

When the police dispatcher tells you not to follow him and that a unit is on the way....why the FU.CK would you disobey a law officer by doing what you want to do. Obviously you had your own intent to do something.....playing hero only get stupid people in trouble....and had he done exactly as the officer asked to NOT do, he wouldn't be in the predicament he's in....Heraldo Guerrera is an ass noob who probably voted to get your favorite video game off the shelf and to stop you favorite designer from making your favorite hoodie...FACT is, it was dark, and slight rain....I'd have my hoodie on too...Zimmerman was in his car, why'd he get out.....and if it was tailing him in his car, how could he have seen that he had his hands at his waist or what was in his hands if they held a can of tea and a bag of skittles...

That fukwad deserves to get locked up....that shoot first, ask questions later shit only works if there's another gun involved other than yours....and that's speaking from a policemans' P.O.V...

 

[Utakata6Tails]

i dont live in Usa, so i dont know this, so can anybody explain to me ?

 

[MangekyouJ]

i dont live in Usa, so i dont know this, so can anybody explain to me ?

Google it dude...or look it up on CNN.com it's been all over the news for the past month...