debate about tryvon case?

[Itachilover94]

You hate the world today? Try living form Sept 1939 to May 1945, or July 1914 to Nov 1918, or 400 years ago. I wont get into the first two because i don't have enough time, but 400 years ago people were killing each other left, right, and center. And it was not only white people who were killing each other but black people to. You have nothing to F**king complain about.

ok you cussing at me wasn't even called for I wasn't coming at white people I was also talking about blacks!! hint why I said ALL PEOPLE want to do is kill and distroy...you think I don't know that even today blacks is killing eachother off? all I said was I hate this world for the killing who wouldn't when they have the fear that the next day might be their last if and when they step one foot out of their door

also if you think about it this is how the world is today

black kill black: they are just stupid let them kill eachother off the world will be better without

black kill white: send him to jail for life

white kill black: there must have been a reason for it so let him go free

white kill white: what is our world coming to

I truly don't blame them what with the image we give ourself but it still don't make it right

btw still not coming at whites because if you look passed the color of our skin we all together are still people plus I have a white bf and a mixed group of friends

 

[DevonV]

The law doesn't apply when you are the aggressor. How could Zimmerman not be the aggressor? For the fact that he followed Trayvon and got in range for Trayvon to fight him means that he purposefully put himself in a position where not only was he was the person provoking him to fight he put Trayvon in a position where he felt he had to protect himself. Trayvon got the upper hand and Zimmerman used lethal force to kill him. This is aggravated assault, murder, and a hate crime(I don't think its a hate crime but if I was a lawyer I would charge him with it). The law is not on Zimmerman's side. Self defence only apply's when you are not the aggressor in this case which Zimmerman was.

The stand your ground law stats " that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit." Even if Zimmerman was the aggressor the stand your ground law still applies to him.
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[DevonV]

ok you cussing at me wasn't even called for I wasn't coming at white people I was also talking about blacks!! hint why I said ALL PEOPLE want to do is kill and distroy...you think I don't know that even today blacks is killing eachother off? all I said was I hate this world for the killing who wouldn't when they have the fear that the next day might be their last if and when they step one foot out of their door

also if you think about it this is how the world is today

black kill black: they are just stupid let them kill eachother off the world will be better without

black kill white: send him to jail for life

white kill black: there must have been a reason for it so let him go free

white kill white: what is our world coming to

btw still not comeing at whites because if you look passed the color of our skin we all together are still people plus I have a white bf and a mixed group of friends

I am sorry i felt that you were saying that this is the worst that the world has bin and that any other time would have been better and more peaceful (That was the reason for the swearing.) One other thing i did not think that you were going after black or white people i was just stating a fact. Once again i apologize.
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[Swizzik]

The stand your ground law stats " that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit." Even if Zimmerman was the aggressor the stand your ground law still applies to him.
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Runyan v. State (1877) 57 Ind. 80, 20 Am.Rep. 52, is one of the earliest cases to strongly support and establish in U.S. law an individual's right to initiate self-defense actions up to and including the justifiable use of lethal force against an aggressor.

In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."

This is what self defense means in a courtroom. You have to be without fault leading up to the to the actions. Zimmerman was at fault hence self-defence does not apply.

 

[DevonV]

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Runyan v. State (1877) 57 Ind. 80, 20 Am.Rep. 52, is one of the earliest cases to strongly support and establish in U.S. law an individual's right to initiate self-defense actions up to and including the justifiable use of lethal force against an aggressor.

In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."

This is what self defense means in a courtroom. You have to be without fault leading up to the to the actions. Zimmerman was at fault hence self-defence does not apply.

Fine but from what i have read Tryvon "through the first blow" which would mean that he was the aggressor even though Zimmerman was the one following him. And if i were to punch some one and then they broke my arm and it escalate till i killed that person i would be charged with assault how ever i would not be charged with murder (at least in BC Canada i would not.)
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[Itachilover94]

Fine but from what i have read Tryvon "through the first blow" which would mean that he was the aggressor even though Zimmerman was the one following him. And if i were to punch some one and then they broke my arm and it escalate till i killed that person i would be charged with assault how ever i would not be charged with murder (at least in BC Canada i would not.)
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he felt like he had to defend himself...if a man was following me everywhere I turned I would have hit him to...or called the cops anyone would do ...then again who's to say he wasn't trying to pat his pockets and trayvon thought he was trying to rob him or something so he hit him and right off the back the man shot him to make it look like self defence

 

[Swizzik]

Fine but from what i have read Tryvon "through the first blow" which would mean that he was the aggressor even though Zimmerman was the one following him. And if i were to punch some one and then they broke my arm and it escalate till i killed that person i would be charged with assault how ever i would not be charged with murder (at least in BC Canada i would not.)
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The stand your ground law stats " that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit."

Under this law Trayvon took a legal course of action.

Even if he threw the first punch it is more than reasonable for trayvon to do so because following one can lead someone to believe they are under threat. In this situation Trayvon has the reasonable belief that Zimmerman is a threat.

Zimmerman is wrong any way you slice it.

 

[blazekev90]

Fine but from what i have read Tryvon "through the first blow" which would mean that he was the aggressor even though Zimmerman was the one following him. And if i were to punch some one and then they broke my arm and it escalate till i killed that person i would be charged with assault how ever i would not be charged with murder (at least in BC Canada i would not.)
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wft?! do you know the full story man??? I see you using the UK flag, so I'm assuming you must not have with a ridiculous statment such as this one. This my friend I am totally against you, and cant comprehend how you can come to such conclusions.

The stand your ground law stats " that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit."

Under this law Trayvon took a legal course of action.

Even if he threw the first punch it is more than reasonable for trayvon to do so because following one can lead someone to believe they are under threat. In this situation Trayvon has the reasonable belief that Zimmerman is a threat.

Zimmerman is wrong any way you slice it.

thank you for explaing in such great detail, the way it should be done.

Also, I'm starting to see this case is bringing indivduals true colors

 

[kisamexRocks]

Wtf is this all about. One black kid gets shot and everyone makes a huge fuss about it. If it were a white kid, hispanic, korean, russian, asian etc nobody would give a sh**. These days the only thing blacks have in cases is "racism man, racism." stuff liek this is retarded. You have people being raped and murdered and yet nobody cares, innocent lives in middle-east are being killed and nobody cares, all of a sudden a black kid gets shot and the whole world starts to give a flying f***.

This whole thing is stupid and is out of hand. Screw the media today. Complete sh**.

Condolenses to the family but seriously.

 

[ZK]

i fergot to mention that he was following on the pure fact he was black, but im sure you already knew that, you seem to know alot about this case and i think your absutely right

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Wat? That's incorrect, sir.
All the racial accusations made against Zimmerman are groundless. Zimmerman has stated that he followed Martin because of his 'gangsta' (in lack of a better terminology) appearance. The neighborhood Zimmerman lives in is peaceful and young 'gangstas' are a rare sight, so Zimmerman decided to follow the suspicious character whom, as a inhabitant for several years, he had never seen before.

Oh, yeah, the only reason this case gets any attention at all is the mainstream media coverage and the fact that one of the involved were black and the other white. Oh please, hate-crime my ass.

 

[Typhon]

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Wat? That's incorrect, sir.
All the racial accusations made against Zimmerman are groundless. Zimmerman has stated that he followed Martin because of his 'gangsta' (in lack of a better terminology) appearance. The neighborhood Zimmerman lives in is peaceful and young 'gangstas' are a rare sight, so Zimmerman decided to follow the suspicious character whom, as a inhabitant for several years, he had never seen before.

Oh, yeah, the only reason this case gets any attention at all is the mainstream media coverage and the fact that one of the involved were black and the other white. Oh please, hate-crime my ass.

You can hear him muttering "damn coon" under his breath on the 9/11 call. o.o

 

[Yellow Shunpo]

it is sad and the fact some ppl feel like he shoudnt be punished is even sadder. he had absolutely no right to follow him and he had a gun on him! the way i look at it he probably provoked tryvon so he could have a reason to shoot him. but in a interview zimmermans neighbor said that it wasnt self defense they saw zimmerman straddling tryvon..... soo why did he shoot???? zimmermans life wasnt in danger he just wanted to kill a young black man. there will always be racism in america.

 

[I Am Pein]

Wtf is this all about. One black kid gets shot and everyone makes a huge fuss about it. If it were a white kid, hispanic, korean, russian, asian etc nobody would give a sh**. These days the only thing blacks have in cases is "racism man, racism." stuff liek this is retarded. You have people being raped and murdered and yet nobody cares, innocent lives in middle-east are being killed and nobody cares, all of a sudden a black kid gets shot and the whole world starts to give a flying f***.

This whole thing is stupid and is out of hand. Screw the media today. Complete sh**.

Condolenses to the family but seriously.

its not that it was a black kid, its becuase the guy who shjot him didnt get arrested on the spot. and black people get shot every day no one cares

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Wtf is this all about. One black kid gets shot and everyone makes a huge fuss about it. If it were a white kid, hispanic, korean, russian, asian etc nobody would give a sh**. These days the only thing blacks have in cases is "racism man, racism." stuff liek this is retarded. You have people being raped and murdered and yet nobody cares, innocent lives in middle-east are being killed and nobody cares, all of a sudden a black kid gets shot and the whole world starts to give a flying f***.

This whole thing is stupid and is out of hand. Screw the media today. Complete sh**.

Condolenses to the family but seriously.

Well said sir U_U

 

[blazekev90]

Wtf is this all about. One black kid gets shot and everyone makes a huge fuss about it. If it were a white kid, hispanic, korean, russian, asian etc nobody would give a sh**. These days the only thing blacks have in cases is "racism man, racism." stuff liek this is retarded. You have people being raped and murdered and yet nobody cares, innocent lives in middle-east are being killed and nobody cares, all of a sudden a black kid gets shot and the whole world starts to give a flying f***.

This whole thing is stupid and is out of hand. Screw the media today. Complete sh**.

Condolenses to the family but seriously.

If a black male shot a white in this manner who would been killed on the spot, don't start that "his race doesnt matter" crap

 

[Elio]

That whole picture is bullshit. So many holes on both sides of the story. This whole case shouldn't be on NB. No one really knows anything about It, everyone is posting what they THINK happened, It's everywhere and It's irritating.

Wait until the facts come out, Instead of relying on propaganda and pictures. I feel sad that this happened don't get me wrong, but this shit happens all the time to be honest, the only reason people care is because It's so publicized. Happens with everything else that is a "tragedy" not trying to dumb It down, and regardless he shot a kid. No matter if the kid attacked him or not.

This^^

 

[Dracule]

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I checked both of these pages and its a shame how easily people can be fooled...
Good job people U_U

 

[Josh]

1. Zimmerman was a Self-Appointed Block Captain; meaning, his neighborhood did not officially recognize him as the Community Watch.

2. The duties of persons on Community Watch are to observe what's going on in the neighborhood and notify Law Enforcement of anything suspicious. They are not to get involved.

3. Though citizens can have the right to carry a firearm, Zimmerman was acting in an "official capacity" (Even though he is not official) and thus should not have been armed. The capacity he is claiming to have been acting under does not authorize a person to carry a firearm and utilize it.

4. A concealed weapon's permit is not a license to use a firearm, it's simply a permit to carry one.

5. The kid was unarmed. He had nothing that even resembled a weapon. There aren't any witnesses who saw what exactly transpired (unless they've recently stepped up), so the fact that an unarmed individual was killed should have warranted a full investigation. The kid's side of the story may never be known.

6. The Emergency Dispatcher instructed Zimmerman not to follow the kid, but he did anyway.

7. Someone, whether it was Zimmerman or the kid, was screaming for help on the Emergency call and after a solitary shot went off, the yelling stopped. If the kid was the one screaming for help, it sounds like he was executed. If it was Zimmerman, why was he not in control of his weapon and why did he shoot an unarmed kid? And why did he stop asking for help? Did he attempt to get help for the kid after he shot him, or did he do nothing?

These 7 things show that there should have been a more thorough investigation. Whether Zimmerman is guilty or not, he should not have been able to freely walk away. So far, Zimmerman seems like the aggressor. The kid wouldn't have tried to grab the gun if it wasn't out already.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

are you dumb or mentally ill, what do you mean wait till the facts come out, te facts are out they measured him on the otopsy and know the mans hieght
-they have several recordings of they white guy screaming HELP HELP HELP and then a gunshot being herd

-they know that the guy called in saying im going to go follow this black kid cuz hes black and he said he had a gun and the police said DO NOT FOLLOW him

-im not stating ipion in this thread this is PURE FACT prove me wrong or get the hell out

you dont even understand the facts. you posted a pic of a kid who is not Trayvon. epic fail

Trayvon did not have a gun. the white guy screamed for help? but yet he shot Trayvon. why was he following him in the first place? cuz he had a hoodie? (in the rain) cuz he was black?

why he approached Trayvon when the police told him not to? you really tihnk Zimmerman is justified for killing a kid and walking away with no punishment for stalking, harassing and killing a kid? forget the fact he was black but he was just a kid!

The picture of the kid sticking up the middle finger isn't even trayvon martin. That's how biased the news system is. Trying to destroy his character and reputation.

You point out these facts that Martin had a height advantage, and youth advantage over Zimmerman. All these advantages, but Zimmerman had a gun. Guns>>>
He Followed Tayvon because he was suspicious for being black and wearing a hoodie (while it was raining).

As a black man, if someone randomly approached me with a gun, threatening me, and asking what I"m doing in a neighborhood where my mom lives I'd feel uncomfortable as well. and Martin actually had the right to fight back. Anybody being threatened does.

There are no two sides to this story. Zimmerman approached the situation in a horrible way, even when the dispatcher told him not to. He approached and attacked Martin without reason. They have audio evidence.

only reason i bothered to comment in here is cuz i saw your posts lol. you live in FL Dave, you must be in the middle of all this mess.

P.S., I think Zimmerman wanted some Skittles, the kid said no and Zimmerman couldn't handle it well.

i loled at this part

 

[Josh]

you dont even understand the facts. you posted a pic of a kid who is not Trayvon. epic fail

Trayvon did not have a gun. the white guy screamed for help? but yet he shot Trayvon. why was he following him in the first place? cuz he had a hoodie? (in the rain) cuz he was black?

why he approached Trayvon when the police told him not to? you really tihnk Zimmerman is justified for killing a kid and walking away with no punishment for stalking, harassing and killing a kid? forget the fact he was black but he was just a kid!





only reason i bothered to comment in here is cuz i saw your posts lol. you live in FL Dave, you must be in the middle of all this mess.



i loled at this part

I live in FL too, just not in Central Florida where this happened.